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2012 NHL Trade Deadline: Jeff Carter / Rick Nash - Scott Howson's Bait and Switch

In closely watching the trade rumors over the last few weeks the #1 seller has to be the Blue Jackets. Scott Howson is leaking information like a sieve to get his phone ringing. It isn't the usual behind closed doors trade talk that results in that "out of the blue trade" no one saw coming.

With Howson announcing Rick Nash on the block, his phone probably went from deader than a zombie walk to lite up like a Christmas tree at Grand Central Station. He went from little to no interest in Jeff Carter to half the NHL calling him.

My trade deadline radar went off on the public announcement of Rick Nash as available though, is he really?

Navigating blockbuster trades like one including Rick Nash take time. A lot of focus on the details, long term planning of teams is altered, slowly developed strong prospects get considered, long term Cap consequences, many factors and Nash at the end of the day can kibosh it all anyway with his NMC. Are the Jackets a team other buyers want to put time into or would they prefer to focus on the usual tweaks of more depth with other teams?

Howson putting up the public for sale sign on Nash 12 days or so before the deadline doesn't jive. There isn't enough time to get into proper discussion with all the possibly interested teams unless he has already targeted one or two teams for the trade but if so, why leak the information to the press?

Howson is going to potentially get over-run with offers and how can he navigate them all prudently in 12-14 days? Trading the franchise player of your team is not something you want to rush. A Nash deal is much better suited to the off-season.

So why did Howson sound the "For Sale Horn"?

He wants to trade Jeff Carter, he needs to trade Jeff Carter and he can get some calls now that start with a team asking about Nash and deliver a nice slick sales pitch on Carter at the end of it. "Carter has no locker-room attitude, Carter really wants to play for the <insert team name>, he will take you to the Cup and really in terms of contract and cost it isn't that much different from Rick Nash, in fact he is cheaper. Boy do I have a deal for you."

So if you are offering this for Nash how about this for Carter instead… and on it goes. Classic "Bait and Switch" is how you go from the car you want, to that risky lemon on a bargain price.

Star-divide

Howson has already stated he got a "uncomfortably low offer" for Jeff Carter. I would not be surprised if it was the Flames who gave it to him.

Calgary and Columbus are simply not ideal trading partners. On one hand Calgary needs that legitimate #1 C and no one in Calgary has gotten glassy eyed over Olli Jokinen. Despite his current streak he is still best seen as a good #2 C who is turning 34 next season. Calgary has the need at C but has Cap issues and not a whole lot of prospects to offer back.

If Calgary did make an offer I imagine it may have been along the lines of a 1st, Leland Irving or Karri Ramo and Matt Stajan. I am sure that would strike Howson as uncomfortably low but is it really given his circumstances? A player with an attitude, a big paycheck and a long contract is a risk.

The Heatley trade to San Jose involved Jonathan Cheechoo, a 2nd round pick and Milan Michalek for Dany Heatley. It was surrounded by the drama of Heatley demanding the trade and even a short list of teams to go to. Murray's hand was forced and he was summarily roasted at the time for having blatantly lost the trade but in the end, some today have commented on how Ottawa may have won the trade.

If Howson has a "situation" on his hands, as some suggest in the deeper nether regions of the inter-webs. Whispers and rumor that Carter was such an issue in the locker-room he was toxic, some speculate he is a part of the teams extremely disappointing performance, well, in that case, Howson simply has to get him out of Dodge as fast as he can, similar in form to what Murray was forced to do with Heatley in Ottawa.

Second thoughts on Carter for the Flames

Initially I was behind the idea of acquiring Jeff Carter for the Flames. On paper the fit is there, giving up a first round pick plus is a natural expectation but as time has gone on here and I have had time to ponder it and read extensively all over the net, I've started to have second thoughts.

I've frequented message boards for many, many years now.

(Yes - I know 95% of the content on message boards is useless but I have come to recognize some usernames that are extremely well-informed, far more insightful than myself and far more accurate in predictive power and trade proposals. These anoymous users come and go from the forums, going back to their day jobs as engineers or what ever.)

The point is amongst these posters, who over a period of many years, I have come to respect I have never seen a potential acquisition of a player more clearly divide them. The fan base in general is divided but there is usually uniformity on trades and acquisitions that make hockey sense for the Flames from the well informed posters. Not this time.

Well informed posters are very leery about Jeff Carter and the future, well others make the leap of faith he will return to Flyer form and finally give the Flames their long sought after legitimate #1 C.

Others stress that Carter could be a long term disaster for the Flames with a Heatley like attitude that is engrained and will not change. Nothing a coach, a captain like Iggy or a good organization like the Flames can do. It is simply the character and disposition of the player.

A toxic personality that would be the last thing a team like the Flames needs with an influx of young players on the horizon coming in.

You can just imagine things Carter may say in the locker-room.

Hypothetical Jeff Carter, "Yeah kid, screw the organization, I got back doored and sold on a bunch of crap about playing my career in Philly, took a discount and everything. Get the most money you can at all times and that NTC doesn't mean squat until you turn 27. What do you owe them, nothing. They are out to get you, all those GMs are the same etc etc"

If Jeff Carter is a bitter player, and he very well may be, no matter what his skill level, he is the absolute last thing you want on your team.

Conclusion

I have taken a significant step back from my initial enthusiasm on Jeff Carter. A first round pick is not something to toss away lightly.

The only reassuring fact for Flames fans is that even if Jay Feaster does want Jeff Carter he will have to move salary out and given the Flames limited Cap room that is going to have to be a player like Stajan. He could let Howson pick the Cap player from the Flames but how does he make it work? Nothing there is attractive that doesn't have a NMC or NTC.

No matter what Howson goes after it will likely not make him happy.

The team that gets Carter may turn out being very unhappy as well in the long run, no matter how nice the optics may look at first.

Howson could sit on Carter till the off-season but at that point he may have an asset that is diminishing even further. A Souray like situation where the player starts to go public with his discontent and inability to get traded. At that time watch out.

Souray was rumored to have asked for a trade behind the scenes in late 2008, the Oilers never moved him and they certainly would have gotten a couple 2nd round picks at the very least at that time. By the end the Oilers today pay half of Souray's salary to play against them.

For Howson, this is the worst of all possible worlds. It is understandable putting Rick Nash on the trade wire to get calls but woe to the team that gets sold on thinking Jeff Carter is Nash like. A Nash trade would certainly turn the Jackets around and a Carter trade should be seen as damage control, not a windfall.

At this point I am almost hoping the Flames don't get Carter and keep that first round pick.

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I quite frankly don’t see Carter as he has been described by many:

high rish / high reward

Personally it strikes me as EXTREMELY high risk / high~ish potential reward.

Carter isn’t the kind of player that we can say "hey if he doesn’t pan out here we’ll just flip him like CLB did. If we pick up Carter and he doesn’t pan out we’re going to probably be stuck with him full stop unless someone bends us over to take him off our hands. The cat will be out of the bag and everyone will know that he’s cancer by that point.

To make things worse I get the impression that Howson expects return for Carter in the ballpark of what he paid for him, which just seem ASININE to me. Why would be pay the same value for a asset that is down in the dumps compared to when it was last appraised. This whole situation stinks and needs to be completely avoided unless CLB makes us a offer we can’t afford to pass up.

by xis10ce on Feb 16, 2012 11:41 AM PST reply actions  

I’ve actually come around to similar point of view, I’ve read enough now all over the place that I’ve been persuaded to get off the Jeff Carter bandwagon.

The whole manner in which Howson is directing the situation seems chaotic and dubious. GMs usually do not tip their hand publicly so much. The fact he is makes me nervous, who the heck announces their franchise player is on the block 14 days before the deadline?

Howson won’t be the first GM to fail to see the importance of a damage control trade for the best he can get.

Consider contributing to Wiki if you can. It has come a long way since its inception in quality and its founders have resisted attempts to commercialize it. Lets keep it alive with a few dollars each.

by Mitch Smith on Feb 16, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Carter might be a negative locker room influence, or he might just be a “competitor” like Cammalleri who is frustrated with the course his team on. That’s one roll of the dice you have to win for him to be useful.

His production hasn’t exactly been hot lately. He hasn’t had a multi-point game since December! Is he still a legitimate #1 C or have injuries taken their toll? There’s a second roll of the dice.

As with any player coming to Calgary, will he find his career years with the Flames like Tanguay, Cammalleri and Langkow have, or will his production fall off a cliff like so many other players? Will he have chemistry with Calgary’s top line? Roll the dice again.

That’s a lot of dice rolling so far, but nothing terribly out of the usual on this sort of trade. The big, shiny, red D10 that seems to loom above the rest is how many useful years will you get out of that ten year contract? He’s going to be 37 by the time that contract is up, and we’re worried about a player of Iginla’s caliber slowing down at 34! Carter’s contract, while it might lower his cap hit up front, is almost guaranteed to become a burden several years before it’s up. The only thing that might mitigate this risk is some kind of buyout amnesty from the next CBA.

If I were Feaster, I’d view Carter as a big roll of a lot of dice. However, it might be a roll worth taking if the price were right and I had some inside info on the next CBA and know there’s a high probability of a being able to cheat that big D10. I’d make that “uncomfortably low offer” and see if Howson is desperate enough to take it.

Here’s hoping Feaster doesn’t add too much to his offer now that’s he’s under the pressure of so many injuries!

by Beloch on Feb 16, 2012 11:55 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I don’t want the Flames to trade for Jeff Carter, because I don’t think it would be much fun to cheer for Jeff Carter.

I am not too high and mighty on the “player as role model” band wagon, but I think there is a certain base level of empathy with a guy achieving his dreams that makes cheering for a player fun.

I don’t think I would ever think “Boy, I am sure glad Jeff Carter won a Cup!”. I do think that now about pretty much every player on the team – even Stajan.

by CalTach on Feb 16, 2012 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

Sometimes I wish something would go right for Stajan.

In his last season with the Leafs, he produced 0.75 points per game. That’s pretty decent, and a good reason why we traded for him. However, he was riding a 16.2 sh% in that time, so his numbers were probably a little inflated. When he came to the Flames his sh% sank to 9.1% and his shots per game sank from 1.8 to 1.2, which caused his production to fall to 0.59 ppg, which is still respectable, although perhaps not good enough for the contract he got.

The following season his shots slided to 1.1 spg, and his sh% also slipped to 7.4 giving him just 0.4 ppg. This season he’s been getting 0.94 spg. That’s objectively worse, but has his reduced ice team compensated for the softer competition? What’s really fallen off a cliff is his sh% which is just 2.9% this season! I never would have predicted Stajan would become a 0.17 ppg fourth-liner!

Stajan has been unlucky this season, but he’s also turned into a total head-case. The man has no confidence left at all. He should be chewing Sutter’s ear off for a chance to play with Cammalleri, not meekly sitting on the bottom two lines. (His line is technically getting a little bit more play than Horak’s, so perhaps he’s a third liner ATM).

About the best that can be hoped for Stajan is that he goes on a streak hot enough to buy him a ticket out of town via wavers. He needs to get just good enough for someone to feel he’s worth picking up for free. Then maybe a change of setting will do him some good.

by Beloch on Feb 16, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Joker Light ?

Those declining Stajan numbers look alot like Jokinens’ numbers did except on a slightly smaller scale. From his 39 goal season in Florida, through his Phoenix tenure and the first go around here, shots were falling as was the shooting percentage and hence the total points. To have both shots and shooting percentage both fall more than 2 years in a row is a bad sign, especially for those on the wrong side of 30. The Joker managed to reverse the trend last year with the shooting percentage ticking back up, and it has taken a further increase this year. His shots have levelled as well so it is looking like his 33 year old season will be his best since he was 29. Perhaps Stajan, just turned 28 could yet turn it around.

by PrairieStew on Feb 17, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

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