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Embrace the Chase: The Race for 8th


So you want to enjoy the rest of the year? Stop waiting for the rebuild and jump on board with the team in their hunt for what appears to be 8th place.

You may not agree with it... hell, I'd say the saddlesphere is about 2/3 against it if you have a gander at our poll following the Michael Cammalleri acquisition. But, still - such is the wishes of our ownership, or management, or Ken King, or... well someone who makes the decisions.

The real question is:

Is the chase even realistic?

Sitting 3 points out of 8th spot at this very moment suggests that, yes, the chase is very much realistic. But, there will be no shortage of hurdles (ahem, 3-point games) standing in the way, either.

Star-divide

In the past three seasons it's taken 97, 95 and 91 points respectively to earn 8th place in the Western Conference. That averages out to just over 94 points/season. A good benchmark, but let's take today's 8th place team, based on points percentage (not in the standings) and see what they're on pace for.

This is the Dallas Stars with a .555, very slightly ahead of the actual 8th place team, the Minnesota Wild. Using .555, it would take 91 points to make the playoffs this year. Three years ago, 2008-2009, it was 91 points to earn 8th as well and taking a look back at the standings for that year you'll see some similarities.

First of all, there were five teams that had pulled away from the pack (including the Calgary Flames, you'll remember that season as the year they blew an 11-point lead in the division). This year, it looks to be the same as Chicago and St. Louis take the final two spots of the top 5 with a healthy lead over the likes of the Nashville Predators, LA Kings etc.

Secondly, following the top 5 there were 7 teams fighting for the 3 available playoff spots. That remains the same this year, ending with the Calgary Flames.

The only reason I'm pointing that out is to suggest that 96 might not be needed to win 8th place. Given the similarities in the strength of teams in the West and the number of teams fighting for playoff spots, it's reasonable to suggest that we'll see a season more like 2008-2009 than 2010-2011.

Unfortunately, SportsClubStats.com is blacked out today, like many other sites, in protest of SOPA, so I won't be able to include their current odds for the Flames playoff chances... but, let's look at three scenarios to shed some light on what we need to see from the club.

96 points for 8th (commonly used benchmark)

-Flames would need 48 points in 35 games. Or, roughly a 22-9-4 record. That's a points percentage of .686 or exactly the Boston Bruins current points percentage for the whole year.

94 points for 8th (average of past 3 seasons)

-Flames would need 46 points in 35 games. Or, roughly a 21-10-4 record. That's a points percentage of .657 or closer to what the Philadelphia Flyers are sitting at right now for the season.

91 points for 8th (the mark we hope for based on similarities to 08-09)

-Flames would need 43 points in 35 games. Or, roughly a 20-12-3 record. That's a points percentage of .614 and closest to that of the Ottawa Senators and Nashville Predators. Now we're talking about a realistic goal for the club.

Next question is to determine whether or not the schedule will be the teams friend like it was last year.

The Flames have 20 home games remaining compared to only 15 road games. +5 at home is a good start.

If, the Flames can equal their home record of their first 20 in Calgary - that would get them to 13-5-2. Good enough for 28 points. A lofty goal, but one that's been proven achievable given the first half of this year.

They'd then need to get 15 points out of 15 remaining road games for a points percentage of .500 - something that HAS to be achievable for any team wanting to make the playoffs and fight for their life. Unfortunately, the Flames current points percentage on the road is .307. So, it will take significant improvement in order to get them just to .500.

So it's certainly not out of the question by any means, but should the Flames require anything more than 91 points, which despite my efforts of proving otherwise - seems more likely, the playoffs are probably going to elude the team again this year.

But, as a fan, you're going to have to put aside your own common sense for a while and grab hold of your inner cognitive dissonance (much like Flames ownership, management, Ken King, Jay Feaster etc. etc.).It's a race for 8th and make no mistake, it's not the same as a race for the division title but at least it will give us something to cheer for.

Poll
How many points is it going to take to make the playoffs in the West?
96-97
35 votes
94
50 votes
91-92
7 votes

92 votes | Poll has closed

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Let’s hope Jarome gets Hot and does to other teams what Teemu Selanne did to us last year…

To make matters worse I’ve looked up the teams that are in the top 10 across the league (sure lets call it that). This list includes the Sharks, Kings, Red Wings, Flyers, Blues and Canucks. I have not included teams like the Preds, Rangers and such only because we don’t play them for the remainder of the year. We play those 6 above mentioned serious business teams 13 of the 35 remaining games. Of which 9/13 games are in the next 45days. So the way I figure it is we will know by March 1st if we have a chance or if we are all but screwed.

Gotta beat the heavy hitters to have a chance, sadly more than a 1/3 of our remaining games are against them.

by xis10ce on Jan 18, 2012 2:49 PM PST reply actions  

Glencross being week to week isn’t going to help but it is possible. Need a few thing to go our way but I haven’t given up hope yet. Tanguay and another forward getting healthy would be a big help… until that happens the Cammy pickup is more treading water then an actual team improvement.

Random question… how much do you figure it would cost to get Suter into a Flaming C jersey?

by Parallex on Jan 18, 2012 3:29 PM PST reply actions  

I would be good with that.

by Parallex on Jan 18, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as Suter didn’t pull a Bouwm’ter and fall off the planet in goal production I’d agree with that too.

by xis10ce on Jan 19, 2012 6:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope they make the play offs this year so I can continue the time honored tradition of watching the Flames get eliminated on or shortly after my birthday.

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by exsanguinator on Jan 18, 2012 9:07 PM PST reply actions  

Uber rebuild teams may not have a better chance of winning a cup.

Take a look at the number of upsets in the playoffs over the last decade. In the age of the salary cap, a #8 seed has a surprisingly high chance of beating a #1 seed. Anything can happen in the playoffs!

I haven’t crunched the numbers, and the small sample of post-lockout hockey probably wouldn’t make doing so terribly illuminating, but I suspect teams that consistently make the playoffs, even just barely, have better odds of winning the cup than teams that tank, rebuild into a short-lived monster, and then tank again once all their lottery-picks become expensive UFA’s who follow the money elsewhere. The difference in odds of winning the cup for an uber-rebuild team versus a team that just squeaks in isn’t large enough to make up for all the playoffs the rebuild team misses.

That isn’t to say that I am in favor of Sutter’s old strategy of mortgaging the future to pay for one more run. I’m not, but I don’t see the Cammalleri trade as being like that. Feaster got higher value assets than he gave up. If Montreal and Calgary were to both sell off every piece involved in that trade tomorrow there’s no question that Calgary would get more in return. The trade made Calgary a better team today and, when you consider Ramo, possibly in years to come as well.

Many fear that all it really accomplished was to get Calgary a worse draft pick. That may be true, but when the team is this close to making the playoffs, it’s more than worth risking a slightly later pick for a shot in the playoffs. In terms of the Flames odds of winning a cup, a small difference in the position of one pick matters far less than having an extra roll of the good ol’ playoff dice!

by beloche on Jan 19, 2012 6:42 AM PST reply actions  

Well, perhaps anything can happen in the playoffs, but did you know that in the last decade every single Stanley Cup winner finished the season at the top of their division with the exception of the Penguins? Basically, every single winner in the last decade was ranked 1, 2, or 3 going into the playoffs except the Penguins who were ranked 4th.

In fact, if you want to take it back further, every Stanley Cup has been won by a division champion since 1994 when the current league format took effect, with the exception of the Devils twice (ranked 5th in 1995 and 4th in 2000) and Penguins once (again, ranked 4th).

So yes, anything can happen in the playoffs (like 8th seeded Edmonton making it to the finals). However, while it’s completely possible, there hasn’t been a team on the bottom half of the bracket that has won the cup since 1995, and no one has won it from 6th, 7th, or 8th position since the format was adopted.

So perhaps the odds of winning the cup aren’t much worse for those teams that just squeak into the playoffs, but the odds are still bad enough that no one has ever done it before.

by Avalain on Jan 19, 2012 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t say the odds were fantastic, but the difference between picking #8 and picking at #9 for a team is small enough that it’s a small price to pay for a long-shot.

by Beloch on Jan 19, 2012 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

Just wanted to pay you guys a compliment, and say that as a Kings fan coming off of a game against Vancouver and listening to their commentators, I find the tagline on your blog absolutely brilliant. Keep up the good work!

by klink3115 on Jan 19, 2012 12:13 PM PST reply actions  

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