Are the Flames In On Stamkos ?
The longer Steven Stamkos remains unsigned the more speculation broadens on him.
3 days ago I would not have given the Flames even a remote chance of signing Stamkos but I also would not have given them a remote chance of signing Brad Richards either.
Turns out the Flames were Brad's #2 choice. So just how close the Flames came to getting Brad Richards has to surprise quite a few. The fact that they were even in the running is probably surprising to a lot and it is also likely a relief to just as many, in the Flames tent, that they did not sign him.
If the Flames were ready to offer a 31 year old player with a concussion history a huge 9 year deal worth 65 million, the next thought has to be what would they offer a young 21 year old star player with 15 years of play ahead of him.
If the Flames were willing to offer that for Richards, well they may as well go all out and do it right for Stamkos. Everyone in the NHL and around the horn has been almost universal in their prediction that Stamkos is going to resign in Tampa but why hasn't he?
More after the jump
One has to think that Lightning owner Jeff Vinik may be involved with his hand on Yzerman's shoulder in Tampa.
Vinik's background is in investments, he has managed hedge funds and mutual funds. He is not an oil man who may have more of a reputation for throwing money at high risk situations. Despite Tampa's incredible playoff run, according to Forbes they still lost money last year. Now Vinik has already done well on the Lightning paying just 93 million for them but he is likely not enthused about matching a 15 year 120 million dollar contract - strictly from the money management perspective.
Vincent Lecavalier is already the monster contract in Tampa and it can not be desirable to have two of those.
It isn't personal hockey fans, it is just business. Vinik will know his numbers well, if not better than any owner in the NHL. He knows the Tampa market for his product and he can interpret a prospectus as well as anyone I am sure.
As we enter Day 3 of Stamkos being open to offer sheets there is no reason to write the Flames off and out of the running. The same facts remain that allow them to pursue Stamkos that also allowed them to be in the running for Brad Richards.
10 quick reasons why the Flames may be in on Stamkos
(1) The Flames have been questing for a star Center to play with Jarome Iginla for his whole career
(2) The Flames have Cap room
(3) The Flames have Owners who will spend to the Cap
(4) The Flames have Owners who will probably even eat contracts in the minors to make more Cap room.
(5) The Flames are looking for a young new franchise star in a post - Iginla era. Who isn't but since the Flames can't draft, they may try and buy one.
(6) The Flames have not drafted well in 20 years, hence giving up 4 -1st round picks probably doesn't deter them as much as it may other teams.
(7) Feaster drafted Stamkos he knows him to a degree.
(8) Stamkos may be happy as a clam in Tampa but when we are talking about Stamkos leaving tens of million, or more, to stay in Tampa on a short term contract versus a long term one, it has to factor for him.
(9) Calgary given its aging star in Iginla is probably comfortable floating an offer of 15 years 120 million and locking up a 21 year old Stamkos for life on a Cap hit of 8 million.
(10) Although it appears odd to most analysts and other fans and even many Flames fans, you get the feeling the Flames as a team and management want to continue to push for the Cup, which means this kind of a move is not really outside the realm of possibility if they are still in a win now mode.
It's fun to speculate at this point and this article will hopefully be relevant for more than 4 minutes, unlike my last one on Brad Richards. In the meantime Flames fans can have visions of Stamkos dancing in their head like sugarplums before Christmas, until he signs somewhere anyway.
No reason to think the Flames are not involved in the current conversation on Stamkos.
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Why not.
It’s within the rules, we can’t draft worth a damn anyway, and we need a new franchise player. Do it!
A witty saying proves nothing.
It’d be interesting for that to happen, to say the least. On a related note, I find it amusing that a financially conservative owner would get into sports.
Vinick is also a minority owner of the Boston Red Sox and the AFL Tampa Bay Storm. A rich guy who clearly has a huge sports interest and a community interest in Tampa.
By all standards a good owner but I have a feeling this guy is also watching the bottom line, given his background, but if you have a better hypothesis for why the hold-up in Tampa, I am all ears.
I have no hypotheses. I’m not arguing that he’s not financially conservative; I’m just saying that if he is, he’s in the wrong business.
by SmellOfVictory on Jul 3, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Do the flames have all their picks required to get him?
Personally I’d be fine with it. After all, how many first round picks are going to turn out to be 100+ point scorers?
The only way Feaster can put out an offer sheet is if the player is $3,134,087 or less, between $4,701,131 and $6,268,174 and $7,835,219 or higher due to the team not having their original 2nd round pick.
If it’s less then 7 million, Tampa will absolutely match it. If it’s over 8, they might not. It would cost 4 first rounders.
We know two things: Shitty Hockey and Booze.
Go Flames Go!
MOCK DRAFT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD
by Justin Azevedo on Jul 3, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, highly unlikely to happen but for sake of discussion I think the Flames would come in at 8 million.
But given how the offer-sheet process is so taboo I speculate that Feaster & Thompson would give Yzerman & Vinik a courtesy call first and it would go something like this:
T&F: Hey, Steve and Jeff, yeah, we want to give you a heads-up here, we don’t want to be dicks about this but we really want Stamkos and are going to offer-sheet him 15 years and 120 million. I know, I know, it is a dick move but you see Iggy is getting old and we feel we have to do this now to get the Cup. Want to give you the heads up and also a chance to make a trade instead.
S&J: You know Jay, that is really a dick move. I hate you, Jeff are we going to match that?
At this point the conversation goes one of two ways (Jeff says Yes they are going to match and the conversation ends – announcement comes of Stamkos on a monster contract with Tampa)
Jeff: Sorry Steve too much chedda, make a deal.
Steve: Fuck, I don’t want to trade Stamkos Jeff, he is our future.
Jeff: Too bad Steve, do your job, I’m not paying that kind of money for that long a term, Vinny giggles at me every time he walks by, pisses me off.
Steve: Alright Jay, you dick head, how about 4 first round picks and Matt Stajan?
…and the conversation begins. This can all be dome outside of the offer-sheet process, it can be done as a trade.
If the Flames have made it known they are going balls out for Stamkos and that means over the 7.836 million mark, unless they are morons and taking the Kevin Lowe blindside approach, they will give Tampa the heads up and start talking to them.
Again probability of it happening, low, low, low but i don’t see why we can’t talk about it. If the Flyers can, why not the Flames.
I want Brian Burke. Are you fucking shitting me?
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
Why? Because he got Cody “I don’t even know what the defensive zone looks like” Franson?
by Jeremywilhelm on Jul 3, 2011 11:16 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Because he got a serviceable bottom pairing defenseman and Matt Lombardi, who, if he ever recovers will be a solid 2nd/3rd liner in TOR, for the price of a non-asset and a Brett Lebda, for whom it could be argued that trading away is receiving positive value.
In other words:
Into Toronto:
-Injured Matt Lombardi (Won’t affect the cap if injured, payroll isn’t an issue, and if he heals he’ll be a plus contributer)
-Cody Franson (better than all but 3 defensemen on the Flames, possibly all but Gio and J-Bo if Sarich takes another step backwards this year)
-Lack of Brett Lebda
Into Nashville:
-A guy who played in the ECHL last year and is such a non-asset that I just looked up his name and forgot when I switched the tab back to this one
-Brett Lebda
-Not having to pay for an injured player
Yes, Burke swindled Nashville.
But I still wouldn’t want him running my team. The guy is terrible.
by Jeremywilhelm on Jul 3, 2011 11:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Completely disagree. His work in T.O. over the last couple years has been very impressive.
"You said you didn't give a f#%k about hockey. And I never saw someone say that before..."
Seriously- in what way is he terrible? The team isn’t competing for a Cup, no. But they’re hugely better than they were before he took over. Another 3 years and Vancouver won’t be the best team in Canada.
The Kessel trade.
His drafting sucks.
This obsession with Wilson as his coach.
He’s basically Sutter East.
by Jeremywilhelm on Jul 4, 2011 6:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Pronger fell into his lap for the Cup in Anaheim.
I’ll give him some kudos for the multiple moves he made to be able to draft the Sedins together for Van but overall I am not a huge fan of Burke either.
At best he has made just as many good moves as bad moves. He is no Ken Holland or even Doug Wilson. I think I could list a lot of GMs above Burke who I like better.
Not saying he is the worst but his hockey moves have had mixed results at best.
And his drafting since becoming leafs GM has been just terrible.
by Jeremywilhelm on Jul 4, 2011 9:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hmm, the Preds got Bergfors for 575K… guess the Orgy of Spending period is over and the bargain time is upon us. Time for Feaster to get to work and get us a D-man that can play middle pairing minutes (Unless an offer sheet for Stamkos is forthcoming).
Also: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=370854 A good ol’ fashioned hockey trade.






















