Questions for Feaster: Can you improve the draft record?
Throughout the summer, I plan on posting a series of articles called the "Questions for Feaster". Basically, the idea behind the series is they are the same questions I'd be asking myself if I was the Flames GM.
The first question Jay Feaster has to address, other than "how the %&*$ did we not sign Erixon?", is whether or not he can improve on the franchise's dismal draft record.
Take a scroll through the team's draft history, and it becomes apparent that this was never a strong competency for the organization.
Looking at the Flames picks from 1993 to 2008 gives us a view of the selections that should be making up the current team. I chose 2008 since those players should all be 21 by now and capable of cracking an NHL lineup if they're going to be impact players in the league. A more conservative view would be to wait 5 years to judge a draft, but in my opinion 3 years is enough to know if we've at least got a top prospect or not. I then decided on 1993 just to give us a full 15 years worth of history, knowing that those players would be 35 or 36 and hitting the twilight of their career.
Unfortunately, you're not going to like the results.
More after the jump.....
In those 15 years, the Flames drafted 150 players with only 45 of them playing more than 20 career NHL games (and maybe 3 more from the 2008 draft) and only 29 regular NHLers were selected. The worst part, however, is the lack of top end talent.
The Flames picked in the top 15 of the draft for 8 straight years from 1996 to 2003 and really the only impact player they came away with was Dion Phaneuf. Derek Morris (13th in '96) has played close to 1000 games as an NHL d-man, but he is more of a solid career player than a top-pairing guy.
In those 15 years, probably the best player the Flames selected was German Titov, who racked up 624 GP, 157 goals and 200 assists. And while solid, it's not exactly a career that inspires a jersey retirement.
Some of the NHL regulars the Flames could lay claim to drafting from 1993 to 2008 are Mikael Backlund, Dustin Boyd, Adam Pardy, Dion Phaneuf, Matthew Lombardi, David Moss, Jarret Stoll, Craig Anderson, Blair Betts, Derek Morris, Toni Lydman, Denis Gauthier, Clark Wilm, Chris Dingman, Chris Clark and Titov. That team is a perennial basement dweller. The Flames seem to have thrived on drafting serviceable 2nd and 3rd line/pairing players, but don't have the top end players to compete for a Cup, or frankly, a playoff spot. Sound familiar?
Even the Phoenix Coyotes, who have whiffed on a ton of top picks, unearthed Danny Briere during that timeframe. Hell, the Maple Leafs scavenged Alexander Steen and Brad Boyes with the 24th pick in the 1st round a few years apart. They even managed to unearth Tomas Kaberle in the 8th round.
Outside of just looking at top-end players, the most recent regime of the Flames either haven't found guys who can make an immediate impact or just isn't giving them playing time. The only players the Flames drafted from 2005 to 2010 who have played more than 20 games in the NHL are Backlund and Keith Aulie. With Erixon now gone, the immediate cupboard is bare.
So don't act shocked and horrified when you see that Hockey's Future has the Flames organization ranked 30th in the NHL.
Owning 3 picks in the top two rounds of the 2011 draft could give the Flames a few options to fill Abbottsford with a little dazzle. Using those picks to move up is a possibility, which can greatly increase the odds of getting a high-end player, as Scott Reynolds and Derek Zona showed over at Copper 'n Blue.
Also, Iain Fyffe of Hockey Prospectus was able to show the GVT-value of each pick in the first round, which drops steeply from first overall to 10th, and then plateaus after that.
Using this logic, the two 2nd rounders hold similar average value to the 13th overall pick, but just have a lesser chance of developing into a "top player." I'd much rather see the 2nd round picks packaged to move into the top-15 if possible. Just using the odds from Reynold's table, moving the 2nds and acquiring a top-15 pick would increase the odds of getting a "top player" from ~70% to ~80%, which is a nice jump.
So.....Mr. Feaster.....what will YOU be doing to improve one of the worst draft records in the NHL?
15 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I don’t think Feaster is going to be packaging anything to try and move up. He wanted the second rounders and he wants to pick up some late rounds picks too, which means we’ll be stuck with yet another middle of the road prospect or we get lucky and pick Zibanejad.
We know two things: Shitty Hockey and Booze.
Go Flames Go!
my worry is that he actually wants to trade down. He might have been watching too many NFL drafts, where that actually works. It wouldn’t kill me if he stands pat and picks with his 2nd rounders, but the odds would be a bit better if he traded up.
Ryan
Matchsticks & Gasoline, Hockey Prospectus, &Sports Opinionated. My twitter handle is @sprtopinionated
I subscribe to the Derek Zona school of thinking when it comes to draft picks-
If I were a GM, I’d be willing to trade away my 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick, 4th round pick, 5th round pick, 6th round pick and 7th round pick every year for a top 10 pick.
I would try and move up, and I hope he does as well.
We know two things: Shitty Hockey and Booze.
Go Flames Go!
by Justin Azevedo on Jun 7, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Take a look at Feaster’s draft record…you’ll crap your pants.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love. - www.hitthepost.ca
SImilar sample size to Darryl, no?
We know two things: Shitty Hockey and Booze.
Go Flames Go!
by Justin Azevedo on Jun 9, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
MUCH smaller. A few years running he only had 30th overall picks and a couple years he had no first rounders. Not to mention a few of his picks ARE panning out, including one S. Stamkos.
Come on, you can’t include Stamkos in that. Sutter would’ve picked him too had the Flames been in the same situation.
We know two things: Shitty Hockey and Booze.
Go Flames Go!
by Justin Azevedo on Jun 10, 2011 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Statistically speaking it would be a fallacy not to include him because he was a “sure thing”. That’s how statistics work.
Feaster had 7 drafts leading the Lightning, with a total of 62 picks. (02-08)
Sutter had 8 drafts leading the Flames, with a total of 59 picks. (03-10)
Of Feaster’s picks, 6 have played over 100 games in the NHL.
Of Sutter’s picks, 4 have played over 100 games in the NHL, although Backlund is at 97 and Sutter’s most recent draft was 2 years after Feaster’s.
Feaster had 4 first rounders, with an average placement of 19th overall.
Sutter had 7 first rounders, with an average placement of 18.7, or 19th overall.
Those look very comparable to me aside from the first rounder disparity, but Feaster also had 5 2nd rounders (Avg: 49) compared to Sutter’s 2 (Avg: 44). Feaster’s drafting record looks better because of one player only: Stamkos, who was drafted because of Feaster’s failings with the team-OK Hockey wasn’t officially in place until the end of the ’08 season, and when they actually entered into a purchase agreement on Feb. 13th, 2008, the Lightning were on pace for an 77 point season, which would have put them 3rd last in the league.
In short: Feaster’s draft record is comparable to Sutter’s and it’s not very good.
We know two things: Shitty Hockey and Booze.
Go Flames Go!
by Justin Azevedo on Jun 10, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Disagree- that first rounder disparity is HUGE.
Can we agree that after the first round you’re largely relying on luck? Even second round picks are educated guesses- I think the number of draft successes by both GMs that largely come from the later rounds support that theory. So looking purely at the first round (using success percentages from here) they’d each have an expected success rate of ~20% per pick over their drafting careers.
~20% for four picks doesn’t hit 100%- Feaster in total had about an 80% chance to get a NHL caliber player- which he did in Stamkos.
Sutter with seven first rounders hits 100% easily with 120%, which also seems about par for the course for his actual picks.
However looking at it like that is a logical fallacy as the value of each individual pick is vastly different.
Feaster’s picks:
1st overall: 85.7%
15th overall: 20.9%
30th overall: 13.4%
30th overall: 13.4%
That’s an average of 33.35%- meaning with an overall success rate of 133.4% he’s expected to pick one quality NHLer, which he did. If you throw away Stamkos? 15.9% per pick. Like I said, sample size of 3 first rounders is FAR too small.
Still, let’s look at Darryl.
23rd overall: 20.9%
25th overall: 20.9%
24th overall: 20.9%
26th overall: 13.4%
26th overall: 13.4%
24th overall: 13.4%
9th overall: 38.9%
Individually those average out to 20.25% success rate, in total it’s 141.79%. When you’re dealing with draft picks in the bottom halves of the first round, a LOT is going to depend on luck and sample size- especially since you’re drafting 17-18 year olds who will grow and change a LOT.
You bring up some good points, but we’re obviously not going to agree on this. Let’s just hope he gets his quality NHLer with the 13th.
We know two things: Shitty Hockey and Booze.
Go Flames Go!
by Justin Azevedo on Jun 10, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's a question for Feaster...
When can I expect you to get fired?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love. - www.hitthepost.ca























