Is it the right call for Chara?
It appears Chara did not get suspected after the hit on Max Pacioretty...
Now roll back to couple months ago when Tom Kostopoulos was suspected for Six games and if i remember correctly, the league said something along 'the nature of the injurie' and that's why he was suspected for six games... um... now, that hit could potentially effect Max's career, is it me or something isn't right here?
Let me know what you all think.
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I don’t agree that he shouldn’t get any kind of suspension at all. It doesn’t matter if they think it was by accident or not. If I punch a guy in the face and he accidentally bashes his head and dies I’m still going to be charged with manslaughter.
That being said, why is no one asking about why the stanchion isn’t padded?
It was padded-but when two guys on the ice are moving at the speed they do, the impact is going to leave some major damage no matter what safety measures are in place.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 10, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
The right call was made on Chara. If the play had occurred on normal boards it was an interference call at best.
The real issue is the design of the rink. If you really want to fix this you can if you want to get creative. The NHL can mandate these changes for example.
1) Put the glass divider back a foot or more.
2) Put more padding on the turnbuckle or rig it to disengage from the boards altogether at a certain amount of force. Don’t tell me an engineer out there can not do this if it really is an issue.
For me personally I see hockey as the fastest and one of the most dangerous games to play. Part of what makes it so exciting. You will never have all injuries removed from the game unless you get guys out of skates and ban checking.
I don’t want to watch road hockey and I really wish this hadn’t happened in Montreal where the sky is falling mood has to happen because it was a Habs player…
Disagree
Chara knows that the stanchion is there. The point you made about the severity of the injury is a good one. Pacioretty’s broken neck is certainly more serious than Brad Stuart’s broken jaw. Also, although Kosto was being a bit ruthless with his hit, the injury happened because Stuart was in an awkward position, through no fault of Kosto as the hitter. Chara had control of the whole situation and had plenty of time to let up.
Pacioretty knew the stanchion was there too and decided to hit the gas going up the boards, did he think that he had a free pass not to be played because it was a dangerous part of the rink?
One of the big mistakes in the whole debate imo is focusing too much on the injury and not the play. IF there is an injury the whole world jumps to their feet and demands suspension. The injury that occurs is not irrelevant, if there had been no injury there would be no discussion but you have to look at the play to judge whether discipline on a player is warranted.
At the end of the day hockey is a dangerous game, high speed and full contact with high risk. Checking has literally disappeared from the game compared to what we used to have. This is an unfortunate hit that resulted in injury on a dangerous part of the rink. The ultimate root of the problem in this case is the design of the rink not the actions of Chara which I do not think had any intent to injure.
It took decades of players sliding into goal posts set on solid immobile iron pegs before that safety feature of the instant pop-off net was introduced. In retrospect it is such common sense but back then would you blame two players going high speed at the net if one was taken down and slide into the net and broke a rib. It used to happen regularly by the way.
Paciroetty hit the gas going straight up the players benches, he thought he could beat Chara with speed, did he really think Chara was just going to let him go by?
He should have
Pacioretty did try and beat Chara wide, knowing that if Chara hits him – it is interference. Chara had several choices -, he can let him go or if he chooses to interfere he could have just faced him up and slowed him down, or tripped him – he didnt have to run him in to the stanchion.
The severity of the injury seemed to be the focus on Kotsopolous’s suspension.
I’m not sure I buy the “checking has disappeared” argument. I recently watched the 74 finals Game 2 on NHL classic – Bruins Flyers – 2 of the toughest teams of all time really – and it seemed to me to be a decidedly no hit affair. I think we romanticize the “old days”.
I tend to try and avoid controversial topics such as this since my primary objective on this blog is to enjoy the company of the other members and have a good time in the gamethreads, but I can’t help but get in on this.
Puck Daddy had an article about this today. It’s a really touchy subject, but I tend to think that both sides are overreacting. I don’t mean to belittle the injury or claim that Chara is innocent, but I think that his needs to be looked at from both perspectives. It’s really difficult to view situations like this from a neutral viewpoint (see: all of politics). I think the NHL failed by giving no discipline whatsoever, but bringing a criminal investigation in is simply absurd.
For me debate is healthy and a key part of good discussion. I take no offense if you want to disagree with me : )
I have a bias that I will freely admit. I was weaned on old school hockey where hitting and at least one hockey fight happened in every game. I really miss the checking to tell you the truth.
In the old days Chara would have skated right into him, checked him at full force and taken him into the player benches.
More dramatic but there would have been no injury. The rules have changed, we all have to deal with it but until you make hockey non-contact or take the skates off of players to lower the speed – you will never remove injury from the game.
I talked about this some in my last column, but basically, Chara needed to be suspended, intentions or not.
By not suspending him, you are absolving him as well as future players of all responsibility of their hits. Yes, it would like have been just interference otherwise, but the fact is, it wasn’t “otherwise”. Intentionally or not, Max Pacioretty ended up in the stanchion. That is not Pacioretty’s fault. Chara made the play that caused the injury, and he needs to be held accountable. If not? Then in the future every player can claim ignorance for location on the ice.
Players today already have a ton of uncertainty on the ice.
I know an NHL player, nephew of a friend of mine. Not a star player and no one I’ll name but his comment over beers last summer was that half the time out there the whistle goes now and everyone’s head snaps to look at the ref, none of them know half the time who is getting the call.
That is really nuts in my book, given the old days. But the players are already playing blind unsure of what is and isn’t a penalty. While playing the game is so fast most are just defaulting away from any contact at all to be safe. Surely you can see the massive increase in low stick work instead of contact.
I am not totally a Cherry fan, lots of what he says is bunk but sometimes he is on the mark.
Rink modification and also how the Habs are playing politics. They know they have a poorly designed and padded turnbuckle, now they are scrambling to do misdirection on the injury. Sure wasn’t there fault – they don’t want a million dollar lawsuit.
Same with the Air Canada crap, politics, Air Canada being located in Montreal. Get through the first couple minutes of this Cherry rant and on the Chara hit he gets into it a bit. You simply can’t put anymore confusion and doubt in the players mind at this point. It is already very hard for them to play the game confidently.
Just my view…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BIQ49TsJRGY

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