The Flames are After Kyle Turris
by Mitch Smith on Nov 2, 2011 11:55 AM PDT
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How solid is that rumor? Very solid according to Pierre LeBrun of ESPN. Take it to the bank and deposit it solid. In fact he highlights a short list for Turris that includes Ottawa and Calgary.
Our cohorts for the Ottawa Senators over at Silver Seven sound positively giddy about getting the young lad. (Silver Seven)
The Calgary Flames have been rumored as a potential suitor for Kyle Turris, but perhaps not quite clear is just how serious they are in their interest.
Well, consider the Flames very, very interested in the unsigned Phoenix Coyotes center. You can take that to the bank.The Flames, a source told ESPN.com on Tuesday, have kept weekly tabs on the Turris situation, holding numerous discussions with both the Phoenix Coyotes and the Turris camp led by agent Kurt Overhardt. ~ ESPN Nov 1, 2011
On the surface this makes sense for Calgary and it doesn't.
The Flames have a plethora of Centers but no one close to the #1 role. Watching 36 year old Brendan Morrison, fresh off of knee surgery, center Alex Tanguay and Jarome Iginla highlights the Flames never ending woes at the top C position. Nothing against Bmo, but even if his game picks up he isn't going to be anyone's idea of a #1 C at this point in his career.
Getting Turris makes sense in the rebuild / retool camp. Kyle Turris is after all 22 years old. A first round pick, 3rd overall in the 2007 draft but Flames fans better steal themselves for a deal that may include Mikael Backlund going back the other way.
Everything out of the Coyotes camp has been no deal, no matter what, but you have to wonder at what point Maloney pulls the trigger on a deal if it is a fair offer. Regardless of his circumstances and everyone knowing Turris will not play for the Coyotes, you have to know a trade is still a trade and who turns their back on a trade that makes sense.
Given how much Rene Bourque liked playing with Daymond Langkow, you would have to think he was part of the deal.
What are your thoughts on Turris?
Edit: Very relevant article here from Kent Wilson on Flames Nation and another here, cripes I almost wrote Kent Nilsson. My response to Wilson is sample size, sample size, sample size. You can't compare these two rookies fairly at this stage imo.
Turris is the kind of player that has much more potential than Backlund. Backlund has been strong because he is smart but Turris is the kind of kid who in the right environment could really excel. An environment with two old and positive vets like Iggy and Tangs is what I am talking about.
I suspect Feaster knows this. If he can pull this trade off without moving Backlund it is a clear win but even if he does ship Mikael it still may have more upside for the Flames in the long run - imo.
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For sake of discussion I think we have to consider what Backlund is potentially vs what Turris is potentially.
I see Backlund as a strong two-way C but a 2nd line C at best on most NHL teams. Turris I see as a legitimate #1 C. Neither of these young players is proven. They are both risks but on what team in the NHL is Backlund a #1 C besides the Flames.
It is a risky trade but if it is the only way to get it done Backlund for Turris is a trade the Flames have a higher probability to win with the better player, no?
they’re the same age and I feel that backlund has more “arrows”-including more success in more difficult situations at the NHL level.
I just don’t think turris is good. now, if the flames moved stajan or bourque for him I’d do it in a second-sometimes asset management trumps quality of the player.
by Justin Azevedo on Nov 2, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
(with the caveat that the flames don’t sign him to some moronic contract, of course)
by Justin Azevedo on Nov 2, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
If they trade Backlund for Turris, i will definitely be planning on punching Feasters double chins off his face.
by Jeremywilhelm on Nov 2, 2011 12:31 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
lol
I could see a deal that packaged Backlund and Bourque being quite solid for Turris and X player (hopefully top 4 D)
Who though?
I’d have to think long and hard about that one, but who would you be looking at as the defenseman? The only one that jumps out at me is Yandle but there’s about a snowball’s chance in hell of landing him I think.
Unlikely to happen for a roster player but perhaps a strong D prospect on the Yotes?
I just like trying to get conversations going. It is a strong rumor now, above regular level rumor.
Despite Maloney’s public statements, he is getting his hand forced. Doesn’t mean he has to be forced into a bad trade but if there is a fair offer on the table for Turris not sure why he wouldn’t take it aside from a self-imposed Cap.
Stajan and Bourque would be excellent assets to send over for a young Kyle Turris. Yotes fans should not by any stretch be upset with that kind of return.
Yeah I could see maybe a prospect working out, was just looking at their roster and not seeing a likely target. Wonder what they’ve got in the pipes as far as D-men go. To be quite honest, I don’t know much about their prospects atm.
Do we really want a guy who’s looking for a multiyear contract at over 4 million a season despite having a career high of 25 points in a season?
I feel we already have Stajan for that.
Would much rather have Backlund or even Bourque
Backlund vs. Turris
Mitch, you and I will probably never agree on a decent trade here because we value Turris and Backlund a little differently.
I also put Backlund as a nice, 2nd-line two-way centre, but I’d put his offensive upside as that of a slightly more proficient Daymond Langkow.
Turris, I could see putting up Langkow-type offensive numbers but I’m not sold on the two-way game yet. Of course, I haven’t watched him nearly as much as I’ve watched Backlund either.
I believe Backlund’s potential is severely underrated and I’d probably burn down the Saddledome if he was traded for Kyle Turris. Depending on the spare parts, of course. But, 1 for 1, the Flames currently have the better player and I’ll never be a supporter of trading, signing or paying for potential.
I don’t disagree with you Scott, I would not have put the Backlund option in the poll if I wasn’t thinking along the same line.
If Backlund was included I would expect it to be a multi-player deal.
I just like to get some discussion going. I had my stretch in the 90s of getting hyped on rookies, no longer. Turris is unproven but Backlund to a degree is also unproven – that is all I was driving at for discussion purposes.
A bidding war is likely
You can bet most teams are interested, and the best offer will be huge, does Calgary have enough to offer? It would signal rebuild mode if two players like Backlund and Borque are given up.
Personally, I feel Calgary needs a defenceman before Turris-why is McCabe sitting=too expensive=slowing down? Offer NYR Stajan for McCabe-I think Stajan isn’t hitting it off with the Flames and we have a multimillion dollar pressbox now.
I’m not sure that it would signal rebuild mode
I do think the Flames need to rebuild, but I really think that Backlund should be an instrumental part of it
they need good prospects in the farm and a system that will develop them. consistently finishing in the 7th-11th range and getting knocked out of the playoffs early may be ok for some people but I’d much rather have to go through a rough period and then be able to compete at the top of the league for a long time.
Sort of like how Detroit has operated over the years, or what Edmonton appears to be abel to do these days.
Bahaha. McCabe. Terrrrrible idea.
by Jeremywilhelm on Nov 2, 2011 9:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Defence is the shortfall
McCabe may be risky,however, it is obvious Calgary needs a big defenceman to be competitive this year-any around? Regehr was more important than imagined=tough but not stupid-steady-dependable-slowed down a bit but still a good partner to an offensive minded defenseman.
So what does that have to do with McCabe?
He’s effectively an Anton Babchuk at this point in his career. We already have one of those sitting in the press box, and his name is Anton Babchuk!
by Jeremywilhelm on Nov 3, 2011 8:29 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Remember the NHL owns the Yotes
Which is another interesting element in this story.
It appears the NHL want to run a basement level Cap floor team which is not only unfair to Yotes fans but presents a possible conflict of interest. This is the type of situation where a GM may be get a call from an owner but in this case Maloney is likely left alone to make unilateral decisions.
I also doubt the NHL has any issue whatsoever with “sending a message” to young players as the de facto owner of the club unless the offer sheet process is enacted which is a case where the NHL may block the signing for the same reason they would block a trade that adds Cap cost.
If the Flames could get Turris at 1.567 million they would only have to give up a third round pick. If they have to pay over 1.567 million to 3.1 million they have to give up a 2nd round pick which they don’t have.
Could be interesting.
McCabe is a URFA-don't offer a player-just grab him?
Calgary has thrown Butler on the top defence pairing for what reason? Just to be stubborn about giving Regehr away I guess. Grab McCabe for toughnes and leadership-someone to clear the net.
Cap space is good but its caused a downward spiral to the basement in the standings and Turris won’t carry the weight needed to make the playoffs.
I think McCabe priced himself out of the market. I would have to look it up again but I don’t think he was willing to take a Hannan like contract.
He should realize that playing for Toronto doesn’t actually make him the center of the hockey universe and give himself a reasonable price tag. Huge difference between playing for what you think you are worth and playing for what you actually are worth.
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by exsanguinator on Nov 2, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
it would put the flames at the 50 contract limit. there’s a lot of reasons that’s bad.
by Justin Azevedo on Nov 2, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Answer to the poll is the same as it’s always been. Yes I want Turris… but (and you knew there was a but coming) I don’t want Backlund, SVEN, or any first rounders included (nor Iggy or Gio but I think that goes almost without saying).
Do the yotes have any salary deadweight? I imagine that the yotes will want a relatively even exchange of dollars. Maybe make the deal Bourque + Prospect not named SVEN + Smith for Turris and some short term salary (Rozsival/Aucoin?).
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