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Rhetro in the Morning: The Importance of Team Chemistry


No, I'm not a Rogers employee. This is not an ad for Sportsnet 960's morning show although it may feel like it just a skosh.

If Mike Richards' morning show was the Louis CK of sports radio comedy, then current 960 morning show host, Boomer, is more like The Big Bang Theory of sports radio comedy. Needless to say, it's very hit or miss and completely across the spectrum from what Richards brought to the table. A few chuckles here or there mixed in with way too many references to anything and all things Red Deer.

This morning, in between Andrew Walker's token Kris Versteeg nugget (I swear he's his brother or something with how often he brings him up), Rhett Warrener was let loose. I came in mid-segment but they were talking about chemistry and real TEAMS, like Quenneville's cup-winning Chicago Blackhawks. Rhetro touched on a couple of things that I thought were interesting when related to where the Calgary Flames currently sit.

Warrener is a breath of fresh air on the notoriously apologetic host of the Flames. He brings a lot of candid opinions on the team and his comments this morning gave us a just a small glimpse into one of the many reasons the Flames are where they are now.

Star-divide

I first should apologize for going all Bruce Dowbiggin on everyone here and writing a column based solely on stuff I heard on another program, but I felt this warranted a share. And, I haven't had much to write about lately as I think I've exhausted all my thoughts on the Flames current situation... so, you get this.

In talking about the importance of chemistry to a team, Warrener first brought up his time with the Florida Panthers as a 19 year-old. He said this was the first real team he ever played on and not just because they were part of the NHL. After practice nearly every day when they were in Florida they would go as a team, or the majority of the team, for lunch at the same old pub. He said it was these types of small things that made a difference for them growing as a team. Being close like that makes you want to fight and win with your teammates.

From there, he told a hilarious story about being invited to his first team party at John Vanbiesbrouck's house. I won't get into all the gory details, but it ended with captain Brian Skrudland getting him wasted and Warrener slamming a bowl of spinach dip in Beeser's wife's hair followed by Vanbiesbrouck chasing Rhett around the house.

Anyway, back to the task at hand. He then related this to the Flames, saying the 2004 team was far and away the best TEAM he'd ever been a part of. Not talent-wise, but the chemistry was amazing. This was a tight-knit group of guys that was willing to do anything for one of their teammates, similar to Florida but to a greater extent.

Boomer asked him the question, "what was the first move made that really affected the team?"

It was a great question, I honestly thought he might tip-toe around it - but he responded instantly, as he always does.

The Kobasew-Ference trade.

I know, myself, I was happy with that trade at first because getting Brad Stuart was a big deal for the Flames. Even though Dutter completely threw Ference under the bus, signing him to an extension and then dealing him, but whatever, it looked like he improved the team. Warrener bringing this up makes it obvious that the team disagreed and it would later become apparent to even dolts like myself that Ference was an integral part of that team in the locker room and in the community. Warrener said the business side of pro sports really hit him after that trade. Of course, Stuart would sign with the Kings because apparently his wife wanted to live in SoCal, Wayne Primeau would be overpaid and become dead weight and Ference would be a big part of the Bruins Stanley Cup run last season.

After thinking for another moment, he brought up the actual first move that affected the team.

Not bringing back Martin Gelinas.

He said the team loved to have fun and do things together, and Gelinas was no different - he'd be a part of all the team activities. But, his impact came in the way he then would still prepare for the season and all the games. Sure, he'd go out and have fun with the boys but then he'd be the first one to the rink and the last one to leave. He was a major example to the team and everyone loved him.

I'm sure that some of us fans already suspected that these things played a role in the slow regression of the Flames, but I thought it was still worth noting. Darryl Sutter underestimated the importance of the chemistry of that team and it hurt them down the road. Now, they look like a team that lacks motivation and lacks that hard-working team mentality and identity that they used to have.

These moves happened 5+ years ago and it's hard to say what, if any, impact this has on the current Calgary Flames team, but I'd say it tells us more about Sutter's ego than anything. To me though, it also shows us what the Flames don't have anymore; the guys willing to do whatever it takes to win a hockey game. Players will follow the leader, and along with Gelinas, Jarome Iginla used to be that guy but it's obvious he can't be that sacrificial leader anymore. I believe that Curtis Glencross needs to be that guy but that's really a post for another day.

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Im sympathetic to social dynamics in teams, but I am extremely dubious about any claims that they can lead to enduring, measurable improvements. Im guessing the experience of chemistry and being tight-knit is as much an effect of winning than anything else. Which is why chemistry is always brought up retroactively as a causal agent for a winning club rather than predicted – because when team meals, goofing around and friendship don’t lead to success, people look for other explanations. Heck, about a year ago when the Flyers went on a losing skid, the rumor was the kids on the team were having “too much fun”.

For the Flames, it won’t matter if Glencross suddenly takes the mantle from Jarome as the leader. Heck, the club already has a balls-out guy in Mark Giordano on the back-end. What wins games in the NHL is mostly skill, coaching and some luck. The reason the Hawks are winning right now is because they have a lot of really, really good players. I;m guessing they’re close because, you know, they win a lot and that makes it fun to play on that team.

by Kent Wilson on Nov 18, 2011 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

No doubt chemistry is an effect of winning, and my point wasn’t that this is the reason teams win or lose, but rather than it might have played a role in the gradual regression of the Flames. Because, let’s face it, the team had much less “talent and skill” in 2004 and 2006 but I would argue that those were the teams that had the best chance to win the Cup (obviously 2004). There were other factors for sure – Darryl Sutter’s coaching (motivating) being a big part, Kipper and Iggy’s unreal play etc.

The Flames were a team that was bringing in better players and “improving” the teams roster year to year, and then getting worse results… culminating in Darryl Sutter going mad. Why were these teams that had more talent and skill getting worse results? Was it Kipper’s poor play? Or did the fact that team lost its heart somewhere along the way have anything to do with it? Its an immeasurable part of the game, but that doesn’t mean it should be discounted.

by Scott Lepp on Nov 18, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

This is what i call heart. Not in an individual term but as a team term. The heart of this team is giving out or gave out a couple years ago.

And no Dion wasnt the heart we lost. He was a part of the problem.

by Jeremywilhelm on Nov 18, 2011 9:31 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I always say that I was at the game where the “heart” went away. Anaheim/Calgary game 7 at the ‘dome. It’s never been the same since then.

by Scott Lepp on Nov 18, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe in chemistry and heart - but only to a point

Despite being a stats-heavy sports analyst, I actually do believe that chemistry and heart matter, but they’re the finishing touches on a winning team, not the foundation that it’s built upon.

Teams need talent first, but once they’ve got that it is incredibly important to ensure the team works well together, play team-focussed (rather than selfish) hockey and prop each other up when they’re struggling.

I don’t doubt Warrener’s claims at all, but chemistry will only take the Flames so far if they don’t have the talent to compete.

Ryan Popilchak

Matchsticks & Gasoline, Artic Ice Hockey, &Hockey Prospectus. My twitter handle is @sprtopinionated

by SO_RyanP on Nov 18, 2011 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

“Despite being a stats-heavy sports analyst, I actually do believe that chemistry and heart matter, but they’re the finishing touches on a winning team, not the foundation that it’s built upon.”

Well said. I agree.

by Scott Lepp on Nov 18, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve referenced this before in my screed against perceiving chemistry this way, but I’ll requote here:
From Royal’s Review

It’s all silly. It’s all a fantasy land of unprovables and reasoning that never gets verified. Sometimes leadership is being funny, being “loose”, keeping the guys relaxed. Two days later, it’s acting insane, starting a brawl, calling a players only meeting. Unrelated events happen, we create a false narrative, everyone forgets all of it anyway, and we move on. 162 games. Day after day. Nobody ever goes back and writes about the losing streak that wasn’t stopped by a fiery speech, the slump that didn’t end with a toxin-releasing brawl, the comeback that never came after the manager was ejected.

The game can never just be about the game, because we’ve all got to imbue an essentially meaningless activity, really no different at its core than an episode of Real Housewives or any other form of entertainment, with all manner of emotional, cultural, political, and psychological importance. For some reason we have to pretend that it actually would make sense for a baseball player to be “a warrior” or whatever else we want to call him. All that myth, which has seduced just about every supposedly literary account of sports, is hands down my least favorite aspect of being a fan.

by ArikJames on Nov 18, 2011 1:39 PM PST reply actions  

Dont know why that wasnt one giant quote. Odd

by ArikJames on Nov 18, 2011 1:40 PM PST reply actions  

So, I see you’ve discussed this before. My intent in telling of Warrener’s stories wasn’t to start up this conversation you’ve already had, just to open some speculation as I had nothing else to write about.

Thanks for linking to that article, it was a good read. I especially liked the “chemistry, or as I call it, not being a dick” line.

But, it seems to me the point of that post is that chemistry and leadership aren’t what the media perceives it to be, rather the stuff behind the scenes that we rarely, if ever, get to hear about. <- Am I right on that?

And, that’s all this post of mine was. Sharing some thoughts from a former player who went through the rise and fall of the team and a couple of instances he feels affected the team’s “chemistry”. We’d never know how those deals affected the team under normal circumstances but Warrener decided to share the experience with their listeners. Sure, hindsight’s 20/20 as that was years ago, but Warrener was there and part of it and said it had a real affect on the team. Seems pretty straightforward to me.

The reason I like what Ryan wrote above is because I played on a team where that exact thing happened. It was basketball; but we were a really good team and there was an altercation during our last practice before we left for the Provincial Championships… the coach and some of the older players stepped in, it was resolved, and for some reason ignited a spark of camaraderie that we rode to the provincial title.

In reference to the portion of the article that you quoted… Of course the media (and fans) overuses the whole leadership and chemistry angle… hyperbole rules the roost in most broadcasts. But, just because its annoying doesn’t mean the moments don’t happen and don’t actually exist.

by Scott Lepp on Nov 18, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

change

I think the Flames need to make a coaching change. They also need to get younger and faster. The Sutters molded a team that was built for the 90’s.

by Ricky G on Nov 22, 2011 7:04 PM PST reply actions  

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