Hot Coals & the Trade Bork Competition

by Mitch Smith on Oct 20, 2011 7:22 AM PDT in Hot Coals

Following up on Scott's post on the Rene Bourque trade rumors, Hot Coals is going to include a trade Bork challenge. Create your trade scenario in the comments. Our readers are definitely a step above average so it will be interesting to see what comes out. All the usual, know the other team's needs, the cap and all that - don't worry too much about NTCs - we know they get waived.

Lets see what you got M&G readers and writers? Easy to knock a trade, much harder to come up with a good one yourself. You will be making Female Flames fans cry but fact is a change of scenery may actually be good for Rene. He is a better player then he realizes imo.

I'll put myself out there for ridicule to start the ball rolling with a trade proposal to the Penguins.

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Calgary - Bork (3.333) & Stempy (1.9)

Penguins - Jordan Staal (4.00) & Matt Cooke (1.8) (Cap gain for Pens 567K)

Notes: Calgary sends two legitimate top 6 wingers to a team that has a dearth of C's and is in need of Wingers. I think Bork and Stempy buck the stat quantifications, especially Bork. If you think life has been tough for Iggy with no top C, imagine what life has been like for Bork.

Crosby or Malkin could easily unleash a 40 goal scorer in Bork. I'm serious when I say that. For Calgary the never ending quest for a top line C will end, successfully or not, with J. Staal who has been stuck on the third line in Pittsburgh for years. Matt Cooke is the lemon in the lemonade in this trade but despite being the asshat of the NHL he still can be seen as a legitimate 3rd line winger.

If the Pens want to keep him they can, I still do a Bork and Stempy trade straight up for Staal. I include Cooke for Cap reasons for the Pens. This trade only happens after both Crosby and Malkin are back in the line-up. Make your critique in the comments and your daily links are after the jump.

This is probably part of the reason we are seeing these trade rumors circulate whether it is Bork, Joker, Moss or you name it. The Flames are sitting on too many NHL level players at the moment. (The Herald)
It wasn't Luoooo, it was Boooooo the other night in Van City :o - (Montreal Gazette)
As per Haley mentioning it earlier Ivanans has been waived - link to Flames Nation for the pic. That guy has some pipes. (Flames Nation)
Olli Jokinen - the secret to Olli's hot start is in the mental prep. (Calgary Herald)
Curtis Glencross nod - he is making me a believer and I was one of the skeptics on him for this season. (Montreal Gazette)
I would describe the win against the Oilers the other night as a clunky win at best. But sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words. Is this what the Oilers rebuild is going to turn into? (Edmonton Journal)
Did we mention this yet? Sven Bartschi won player of the week in the WHL. This kid will be on the roster next year for a decent look. So refreshing to see skill drafted instead of the previous Darryl Sutter size over skill. (Vancouver Sun)
Fear the Rangers tonight. As I usually do, after the Oilers game ended I tuned into the game which has the next team to play the Flames. In this case the Rangers / Canucks game. Eyes Wide Open in Terror was my response - Henrik Lundqvist was horrifying - 40 saves and several amazing ones for the shut-out. With the Flames struggling to beat Dubnyk I have no idea how they are going to beat Lundy. (TSN)
Non-Hockey related link - Gaddafi is dead (Reuters)

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Malkin and Crosby skating today - just to pimp my trade speculation more : )

http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=596708&cmpid=pit-twt-pghpenguins

by Mitch Smith on Oct 20, 2011 7:49 AM PDT reply actions

I’m thinking it would take a little bit more than Bourque and Stempniak to pry Staal out of Pittsburgh as I don’t think they see a need to deal him at all. And, I’d pull the trigger on this deal, no questions asked. Would be a huge win for the Flames. I agree though, Bourque could help the Pens for sure.

I’d prefer a pick and a prospect, myself, as the Flames need to re-stock some youth and energy being as they’re not a realistic threat for the cup. A guy I’ve had my eye on for a couple years now is Linden Vey of the LA Kings. Currently playing for the Monarchs in the AHL. He has 1G 3A in 6 games so far in his rookie campaign. He was a C in the WHL but translates more to a scoring RW in the NHL. High praise for a youngster, but he reminds of Iggy at that age. He flies under the radar because he was inexplicably cut from the World Junior squad last year. Much like the Flames acquired Jarome before the WJ because they thought his stock would go way up (and it DID), if someone wants a kid like Vey, now’s the time because his stock will rise quickly.

So, how about, Bourque to the Kings for Linden Vey and a 3rd Round Pick. The trade gives the Kings the winger they were hoping to acquire when they grabbed Penner last year. Bourque could play on the 2nd line with Mike Richards. The Flames get a prospect who’s knocking on the door of the NHL and a nice 3rd round pick. Of course, this would provide the Kings a little cap trouble – it would either have to be a deadline deal or the Kings would have to ditch salary (cough – Penner – cough).

by Scott Lepp on Oct 20, 2011 7:53 AM PDT reply actions

Your proposal works for me.

I don’t think it is impossible to get Staal but Backlund may be in the equation and I would hate to give him up.

by Mitch Smith on Oct 20, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions

I know. Backlund is for sure gonna be the piece that other teams are going to want. It would take a lot for me to trade him though. I see too much two-way potential.

by Scott Lepp on Oct 20, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions

the penguins trade should totally be
Iginla + Borque for Crosby and a 3rd

Totally fair

This is hf boards right?

by Adi C on Oct 20, 2011 7:53 AM PDT reply actions

sigh – trying to be half serious here… : )

by Mitch Smith on Oct 20, 2011 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions

so you think I should switch the 3rd with Malkin? :p

by Adi C on Oct 20, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions

I think we should all just wait to complain about whatever Feaster does, it is easier… : )

by Mitch Smith on Oct 20, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions

Bourque and Stemp for Statsny.

by Jeremywilhelm on Oct 20, 2011 10:16 AM PDT via mobile reply actions

I’d be interested in hearing you explain that one…

by Mitch Smith on Oct 20, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions

Magic?

by Jeremywilhelm on Oct 20, 2011 3:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

I still vote mine, it involves magical Penguins.

by Mitch Smith on Oct 20, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions

BORK TRADE

Bork and Hagman to the Canadians for Gomez and a 2nd round draft pick. Change of team would get get Gomez back to his potential.

by quickpucks on Oct 20, 2011 10:40 AM PDT reply actions

Well, I thought I set the bar extremely high in the Flames favor, I think this one is quite low. Gomez is a Cap anchor and 31. I don’t see how he fits the Flames plans for getting younger.

by Mitch Smith on Oct 20, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions

neither does signing Tangs till he’s 36

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by Justin Azevedo on Oct 20, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions

Fair enough but Tangs was fairly cheap. Do you have a wild and crazy Bork trade for us? No one seems to want to bite on this.

by Mitch Smith on Oct 20, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions

wild and crazy, huh. ok.
bork and backlund to the stars for ribero and benn.

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by Justin Azevedo on Oct 20, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions

I hate to give up Backs but yea, to get Benn… I would do this.

by T&A4Flames on Oct 21, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions

How about Gomez+Kristo/Palushaj for Bork and Stajan?

Montreal can afford to just dump Stajan to the minors to even out the amount of dead money and Gomez gives a tough minutes playmaking center to a team that lacks one. Calgary nets a decent forward prospect.

by Stephan Cooper on Oct 20, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions

How many years left on Gomez and have either of the other two started their ELC?

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by Justin Azevedo on Oct 20, 2011 1:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions

Gomez contract 2 years after this season same as Stajan.

Kristo is a college player 21 years old and no ELC yet. Palushaj is 22 on the last of his ELC, should be signable for a 2 year sub million dollar deal after this season. Palushaj has reached AHL dominance level on the fringe of making the NHL. Kristo is probably 2 years away from the NHL.

by Stephan Cooper on Oct 20, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Gomez and Palushaj. done yesterday.

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by Justin Azevedo on Oct 20, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Works for both teams.
For Montreal.
Montreal’s been grooming Eller to replace Gomez and he’s close now. The extra winger depth of adding Bourque to an already strong group compensates for any transitional issues. The cap-space of dumping Stajan in the minors can be used for defensemen upgrades next year.

For Calgary
A guy that can center Tanguay and Iginla probably better than anyone they currently have or build some a tough minutes unit around him and guys like Glencross. Minimal salary disruption from big contract due to getting out from Stajan. A forward prospect that would be one of the best (maybe the best) in their system.

by Stephan Cooper on Oct 20, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions

Anyone need tickets to tonight's game?

I have two, section 223, row 22. Get ‘em while they’re hot! $180 for the pair.

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by theninjagreg on Oct 20, 2011 12:22 PM PDT reply actions

I’ve been wishing that the Flames would get Jordan Staal for years now, so I’d love to see that trade.

The only issue I see with your trade is that it doesn’t really address our issue with too many players…

by Avalain on Oct 20, 2011 2:40 PM PDT reply actions

In all fairness it is pretty rich for the Flames but we could ship Backlund as well which probably no one wants to do.

by Mitch Smith on Oct 20, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Bork(3.33), Stajan(3.5) and Kosto(.916) to CLB for Vermette(3.75) and Johansen(1.945) and Pahlson(2.65). This would give CLB a little cap space. we may have to toss in a prospect like Byron or perhaps a 2nd or 3rd Rnd draft (in 2013).

by T&A4Flames on Oct 21, 2011 1:33 PM PDT reply actions

If we could get Johansen, that would reunite him with last years 1st Rnd, Sven Baertschi.

by T&A4Flames on Oct 21, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions

Bork and Sarich for TooToo amd Suter , Ryan Suter is coming into a contract year and Nashville needs help scoring goals we swap Tootoo and Sarich to offset the 2 positions were both teams come up short. It will give us a stud entering his prime years on D with a chance to sign him b4 the off season and a high energy player that we are really missing right now

by TriPPinVdUb on Oct 30, 2011 8:40 PM PDT reply actions

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