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Getting the Flames Under the Cap

I’m obsessed with the behavior of GMs and how they handle the salary cap.  It’s amazing how many teams are run by men who can only see the "now" and rarely plan for the future.  Unfortunately for the Flames and all of their fans, it appears that Darryl Sutter is one of these executives.  

My assertion is that he doesn’t do it on purpose, but because he has a poor track record with the draft.  Entry-level contracts are inherently great for cap management and as Gabe Desjardins has frequently stated, RFA’s come at a 40% discount to UFA’s.  

Obviously if a GM has a poor draft, it also hurts the team’s cap situation for the life of two relatively cheap contracts.  In Darryl’s case, he’s had nothing to brag about from his drafts other than Phaneuf.

My Plan

Given the Flames current cap situation of being overspent by $2.35M (according to CapGeek.com), they obviously have some work to do now just to stay away from NHL sanctions.  That said, the front office braintrust could at least use this opportunity to re-stock the barren shelves.

We all know that no one wants Staios or Kotalik at their currently disgusting contracts.  And as Kent Wilson pointed out so well, there just aren’t that many teams that actually need a high salary to reach the cap floor.

Obviously then, a pure "salary dump" is highly unlikely, even if the Flames sweetened the pot, which they have few assets to do anyway.  If the owners will let Darryl bury these two cap anchors in the minors, that’s great, but it doesn’t make the team any better now or in the future.  Also, there seems to be some insane belief that Staios adds something to the team, which makes me want to lick a belt sander.

Star-divide

So given the cap climate, any deal that helped the Flames drop some cap hit will have to be of value to both sides.  Since Calgary obviously needs some young talent who can step into the lineup in the next 1-2 years, it would make sense to look for a trade partner who can give someone up, but gets some immediate help from a player on the Flames roster.

The Options

Now that we’ve settled on a current-player-for-prospect style of trade, it makes sense to evaluate the options.

The only real position of strength the Flames can work from is defensive depth.  With 8 NHL-level defensemen on the roster and possibly one waiting in the wings (Matt Pelech) for some limited minutes, it should be easy for the Flames to part with one or two players from the group.

5 of those 8 defensemen make enough money to put the Flames under the cap if dealt, but let’s assume that Staios is untradeable and Bouwmeester is going nowhere.  That leaves Regehr, Sarich and Ian White as potential trade bait.

As Flames’ fans, you’re probably yelling "Sarich" at the top of your lungs right now, but he’s also the least likely to fetch much in return.  He’s worth a mid-level prospect at best but could provide a solid second-pair defensive option to a team that’s thin on the blueline.

White is a good player, but not nearly the same deal he was last year at just shy of $3M and he’s a UFA at the end of the year.

That leaves Regehr, who has been a fan favorite for a while.  His cap hit (and salary) are ~$4M a year for the next 3 years and he’s already 30 years old.  Reggie still has some value to other teams at this point, but likely won’t by the time his contract is up.  He played tough minutes for the Flames last year (2nd worst Zone Starts and 2nd worst Corsi QoC) and still stayed positive in the Corsi department.  He’s got value.

Not only would trading Regehr give the Flames cap relief this year, but in combination with Staios’ contract being up at the end of the year, it would give some flexibility to resign Giordano if he has another big year.

The Partners

So, who needs Regehr badly enough to give up a decent prospect?  Sutter would need to find a team that feels they are one more solid defensive d-man away from challenging for the Cup, or at least a deep playoff run for the next few years.  Finding a contending team could also be enough to entice Regehr into waiving his No Movement Clause.

I’ve got three viable options.

The Washington Capitals:

They’re sitting on $5.3M worth of cap space with a full roster.  They have a phenomenal group of forwards but are riding Mike Green, Tom Poti and Jeff Schulz along the blueline.  They had Joe Corvo last year, but didn’t retain him in the offseason.  A team with this much talent, can’t afford to leave themselves with poor depth along the back.

In return, the Flames could try to pry away prized defense prospect John Carlson.  Corey Pronman of PremiumScouting.com has this to say about Carlson.

"One of the best up and comign defenders in the game. Is a very good rushin defenseman who is rounded out in his own zone and has the offensive tools to project as a top pairing guy."

The San Jose Sharks:

Another team with a glut of offensive talent but a blue line with very little in the way of a shutdown player.  The Sharks are closer to the cap ceiling with only $3.1M worth of space, but the returning prospect would leave them room to take Regehr. 

The prospect I would like to see come back is Logan Couture, a forward that drew this review from Pronman:

"He's a guy who can do just about everything well. He sees the ice and can make plays by passing or by himself. He has an above-average shot. He is physically gifted, uses his body well, works very hard and has plus hockey sense. His skating is the only red flag that keeps him from being an elite prospect."

The Flames would probably be better off with a forward prospect than a defenseman, but the Sharks deal might be harder to pull off because of the cap space.  That said, the Sharks have their top 6 forward spots locked down so might be more willing to part with Couture than the Caps would be to deal Carlson.

The L.A. Kings

Depending on whether the Kings re-enter the Kovalchuk mosh pit, they are tentatively sitting on $12.9M worth of cap space, with only 2 roster spots open.  They only have 6 defensemen under contract and recently Matt Greene underwent shoulder surgery and will likely miss the start of the regular season.

This is the team that needs Regehr the most for both his play and experience. They relied on Greene, Scuderi and O’Donnell to play the tough minutes last year and lost O’Donnell in the offseason. Unfortunately, unless they’re willing to part with a young current NHLer like Wayne Simmonds or Jack Johnson (both highly unlikely), they don’t have the same stable of prospects.

Thomas Hickey is probably the best available, and here’s what Corey Pronman had to say:

"A smooth-skating defenseman who can really move and displays above-average puck-moving skills. His lack of physical strength really hurt him and he isn't bad defensively but doesn't have the plus hockey sense to really make up for his physical liability."

Hickey is good and may be Reggie-worthy.  That said, the Kings may be a possible destination for Sarich as more of a stop-gap until Greene is healthy, rather than Regehr.

The Verdict

Let me know what you think of the idea of trading a proven player for a prospect at this stage of the offseason and if you have other possible destinations or prospects in return.

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St. Louis

If Regehr is the trade we are making, I could see a team like St. Louis taking a run at him. The Blues are on the verge of braking out and he would bring a tonne of experience and leadership to St. Loo.
I don’t think we need a defenseman back in the deal, I would look at someone like Patrik Berglund in this case, perhaps?

by TheBurnward on Aug 10, 2010 10:49 PM PDT reply actions  

The NMC is the roadblock

I thought about St. Louis as a possible destination, and I definitely liked their stable of prospects.

The reason I left them off the list was I didn’t think Regehr would waive his NMC to go to St. Louis. They’re a decent team, but do they really have a better chance to win the Cup than the Flames?

I actually think that Regehr might reject a mvoe to the Kings as well, but figured they were much more likely than the Blues.

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by SO_RyanP on Aug 11, 2010 7:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Reduction

What we might be looking at is a reduction as opposed to an elimination of a deal. Sarich could be moved for another player of lesser value. I was looking at Columbus again – and they have a bunch of middling defensemen – but if they felt acquiring Sarich would be an upgrade on Tyutin or Hejda – straight across – could save Calgary $800 k to $1.6 m.

If Langkow starts the season on the DL, Kotalik may be around – but when he comes back Ales could be headed for Abbotsford.

As far as dealing Regehr – you would have to get his agreement, something I sense is not easy to do. Iggy’s “I would look at it (a trade)” quote at the end of the year was a wonderful shot across the bow of everyone else with NMC’s.

You will recall I advocated a sell off of veterans at the end of the season. I think that window has closed up a bit for the time being. Sutter has made his choice to stay the course with these guys and most other teams have also made their bed for this year. Trading a valuable asset like Regehr at this time is probably at the bottom of the market. He would be of much greater value at the deadline if the team is out of the running.

by PrairieStew on Aug 11, 2010 8:02 AM PDT reply actions  

I like the reduction idea too. It may be a way to accept slightly lesser talent to get under the cap. The fact that the Flames have 8 defensemen though suggests that they could do without 1 player, which is why I like the prospect idea.

I agree about getting Regehr’s agreement, the only way I could see it is if he had a shot to win the Cup.

Good point about the trade deadline though – he may be worht a lot more then.

Ryan

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by SO_RyanP on Aug 11, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

No movement clause

I would expect Regher to reject any trade made. I remember when he signed his deal with the Flames (for less than market value at the time, IIRC), I heard an interview with him on the radio. He said something along the lines of “Money isn’t everything, and we love Calgary and didn’t want to leave the city”. He’s a player who truly “gets it”, in my opinion, and I believe he has no interest in uprooting his family.

by Subversive on Aug 11, 2010 8:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Trading Reggie to get under the cap makes the team worse.
Trading Reggie and a $1-3 million forward for someone like Bobby Ryan, to just barely get under the cap, may make the team slightly better. They’ll score more, but get scored on more too, and could still have cap issues if there are a rash of injuries.

Taking Sarich, Staios, and Kotalik and trading as many of them as possible for bags of pucks (or picks), and moving whats left to Abbotsford, then move up Pelech and Seabrook on D, get Backlund on the third line and sign Conroy for the 4th and they’re well under the cap.

by Beeker73 on Aug 11, 2010 8:34 AM PDT reply actions  

If Sarich, Staios and Kotalik were tradeable, they’d be gone already. Heck, Kotalik was offered up around the league for free. And there’s no way the club is sending nearly $10M in salary to the minors. If someone goes to Abby, it’ll be one of those guys.

by Kent Wilson on Aug 11, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

I look forward to seeing the monetary sinkhole’s in action this season out in Abby.

by jessnbrown on Aug 11, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

No word on ?

Any deal to share Kotalik’s salary with a KHL squad ? Offer to pay $2m per for the next 2 if the Russian squad can come up with $1m ? It would be the same cash as a buyout – without the 4 year cap burden.

Perhaps Sarich is not tradeable until a team runs in to an injury problem. I guess the best we can hope for is that Kotalik and Sarich prove some value through training camp and early in to the season ( if Langkow is hurt and no further reduction is required) and then they might be moved.

by PrairieStew on Aug 11, 2010 9:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Backlund is still considered non-roster player

According to Cap Geek Backlund is still under the non-roster player category. What is the prob. that he stays in Abby? So the flames are over the cap BOUT $3.6MILL + whatever they paid for Conroy today. Dumping Staios will not happen – they already have his heritage classic jersey ready to go. Dumping Kotalik to the KHL or Abby puts the flames to about 1Mill over.

by GobB on Aug 11, 2010 3:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I honestly have no idea how the Flames are going to get under the cap. Reggie won’t waive his NTC, and Staios isnt going anywhere-at least, that’s the impression I’m getting. I will go on a spree if Sarich is sent down before Staios.

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by Justin Azevedo on Aug 11, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Conroy signed-a trade must be coming to limbo dance the cap

A trade must be imminent, Calgary signed Conroy, for? Must be at least one mill, now they are over for sure if Kotalik isn’t dealt away, Staois traded, or a multiplayer deal coming. My view is that a couple of young defencemen have to start and a couple of vets traded. How about offering Giordano a long-term deal before he is a Free agent? Its risky, but if he has a stellar year he could command 3-4 mill a year, why not offer him a long-term deal and take a risk on maybe 2.5 mill a year. Hence, gone are a couple of veterans-minus-Sarich and Staois. Pellech and Kronwall or ? Use the prospects you have before they bolt too.
Maybe Feaster can manage the cap, its getting tighter than the skin on a wiener.

by budgie d on Aug 11, 2010 6:23 PM PDT reply actions  

League min, I think.

Feaster cant manage the cap, he’d just eat it.

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by Justin Azevedo on Aug 11, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

These are seriously mediocre players we’re trying to trade Regehr for. Honestly.

The only guy I like (Couture) is also the only guy who the other team’s GM would not immediately fax the trade memo in for, after first making sure to hang up the phone such that Sutter doesn’t hear him laugh.

by R O on Aug 11, 2010 8:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Sorry for the late reply, but I was addicted to the new Madden last night.

budgie d – I’m not sure a trade is imminent. I think Conroy is cover for Langkow, and if it’s a 2-way deal, no big cap ht if they send him down sometimes.

Justin – I totally agree about Sarich-Staios. If Sarich is the one to get sent down, this team has more problems than just the cap. The fact that we traded for Staios in the first place is depressing.

R O – I don’t agree, obviously because I proposed these trades in the first place. For starters, both Hockey’s Future and Premium Scouting rank John Carlson very high. I’m not quite as sold on Hickey. But the other thing to consider is that Darryl will have very little leverage because teams know that the Flames are over the cap. They’ll be looking to pull one over on him. Also, getting a top prospect who can outperform his contract (& possibly RFA contract) by several million worth of value is how teams manage to outperform others.

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by SO_RyanP on Aug 12, 2010 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I just ready on PuckDaddy that Sharks GM Doug Wilson is looking to use his cap space and prospects to improve his blue line.

Hey Doug, 2 defencemen are better than one! Sarich & Staios, nudge nudge, wink wink!

by Beeker73 on Aug 12, 2010 11:29 AM PDT reply actions  

EDIT

Make that “read” not “ready”, and “draft assets” not “prospects”.

by Beeker73 on Aug 12, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Flames current roster

The Flames currently have 4 LW plus a buyout, 5 RW, and 3 C on the big club for $32,625,000.
2 G for $6,333,333.
7 D for $21,591,622.
Grand total: $60, 549,995, or $1,149,995 above the salary cap.
They need to add a 4th line C, which will be one of Conroy, Stone, or Sutter at $500,000. Concensus opinion is that Backlund won’t be on the big club to get 4th line goon minutes, he’ll be in Abby for 1st line minutes. However, if Langkow is hurt Backlund will likely be on the club in a 3rd line (or better) role at $1,270,000.
If Langkow is OK to start the season, the Flames are $1,649,995 over the cap. If Langkow is on the IR though, then they’re $2,919,995 over.

If Langkow is OK, then they need to move a player like Moss or GlenX AND Ivanans or Jackman to get back to the cap.
If Langkow is not OK, then a player like Kotalik needs to be moved off the roster to get to the cap.
That’s just to get down TO the cap, not under it.
Neither of those situations takes into account the fact that a prudent GM makes sure he’s got at least a couple or 3 million in cap space to account for the inevitable injuries as well as call-ups for young guys to cover for Ivanans etc… getting benched (also inevitable unless you think that Ivanans is going to play 82 games this season).

by Beeker73 on Aug 12, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions  

trading Regehr

Trading Regehr would be the best plan but there is no way of getting back a top prospect for him. Teams are shying away from Regehr type players because they only bring 1 aspect to the game . Teams are willing to spend money on D-men who can also bring an offensive side to the team. To say that Robyn is still a top shutdown D-man in this league is ‘sticking the head in the sand’ because he didnt even play the shutdown for Calgary last year. That duty was given to Jay-Bo and Gio yet he was still on the ice for the 2nd worst Goals Against with 86 ( only 5 less than Jay Bo who averaged 4:30 mins more a game) 2nd worst Give Aways with 49 ( again only 7 less than Jay but for a player who has no offensive side to his game, most of these were in his own end) and was only 12th on the team for Take aways ( not very impressive for someone who is supposed to be defensive. Dion had only 1 less take away than Regehr and played almost 30 games less ! )

Anyone who watched this team with regularity last season can admit that Regehr’s lack of foot speed was a major issue last year and he will only get worse as he gets older. Problem is that he is a fan fav and one of the few faces from the 04 run so his mistakes are often overlooked.

by Andrew Cytra on Aug 12, 2010 11:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Too late

Too late to trade Regehr this off season I think – the return as you say would not be that good. The $4m is not that bad but the 3 years looks like a bit of a risk. If he plays decently and stays healthy his value increases as the season goes on, due to the declining total committment , and the concept of playoff help for little cap cost this year. Again – I doubt he would agree anyway – maybe Washington if he thinks he can win a Cup, but that doesn’t seem like his kind of place to xommit to for 3 years. Can’t actually see him in the east at all. Maybe Colorado of Phoenix would suit his lifestyle

The same principles apply to Sarich, just to a lesser extent – he might be worth a 3rd round pick or that level of prospect today – but if he is not stinking the joint out in February, might be worth a second rounder or a quality first or second year AHLer at deadline time. The gap between Regher and Sarich a bit closer than we would think due to 10% less cap and one less year of committment. Also without a NMC you can market him to every team.

by PrairieStew on Aug 13, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

commit not xommit

Can’t see Regehr in LA either – though the on ice might fight.

by PrairieStew on Aug 13, 2010 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

teams spent on Free Agent defensive defensemen

Teams definitely will spend on a purely defensive d-man. They did it the entire free agent period. Volchenkov’s deal is $4.25m per, Tallinder is $3.4m, and Michalek was $4m. Regehr had a similar 3-yr average GVT to all of those players.

Teams are willing to spend on a defensive d-man, but will they TRADE for one. A free agent only costs money, not a prospect or player in return.

The point is, we could bury high salaries in the minors, and probably have a better team TODAY or we could trade a player we all know and like who is a top 4 defensemen and help the team’s talent level and cap situation for several years. This isn’t a one year cap problem, just wait until Giordano is up for renewal.

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by SO_RyanP on Aug 14, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bowmeister needs to step up

Bowmeister was the reason Phaneuf was expendable, I hope he can live up to his potential. Regehr may be involved in a multi-player deal if anything. There was a rumour of SpezzA/Regehr/Savard three way deal. Calgary being over the cap ensures a trade is in the works in my view. Feaster has said that the final roster will be determined at Training camp, well that pretty much happens every year but only for spots on the fourth line. Conroy won’t end up in Abbottsford even if he has a two way deal. Kotalik could actually make the team with a strong training camp. I’ve thought of a Jolkinen-Hagman-Kotalik European line, but everyone is so down on Kotalik he actually takes the heat off Jolkinen. Sutter must of seen something in Kotalik, maybe Sather will take him back for Prust if Sutter catches him at the right time-like a Friday or Saturday Night-late-after Dean Martin Martini night at his local. I hope there are a bunch of two-way contracts for Calgary’s cap problems. We need one more Finn-Left wing- for an all Finn line. I’d much rather see four lines of Canadians even the French-did I say that? OOPs. Eric Fehr would be a nice addition, but not for Reggie, How about Staios and Kotalik for him?

by budgie d on Aug 13, 2010 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

2 overpaid, useless players for a young 20 goal scorer…… im sure the Capitals will be all over that trade……

by Andrew Cytra on Aug 13, 2010 8:53 PM PDT reply actions  

gotcha….. my apologies…. seeing how those 2 names along with Lankow are usually including in trade proposals , you never really know who is being serious……

by Andrew Cytra on Aug 14, 2010 12:08 AM PDT reply actions  

How do we get rid of some salaries?

If you can’t trade them or send them to Europe, then they will be in training camp competing for a spot. That is why I think a trade is imminent, and not necessarily for Kotalik and Staios, for one of our top four defencemen and one top tier forward, just to make cap room.
I hope Langkow stays put. Pretty thin on right wing to, maybe a defencemen for a right-winger might work.-but who?

by budgie d on Aug 14, 2010 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

2004 roster compared to 2010-so far

Player by Player I think we might be ahead of 2004, the year of the Cup Finalist Team
Small tweaking needed but it looks pretty competitive
I’m not comparing the players directly when their names are opposite one another, just a look at the overall rosters
    
        2004 2010
 Miikka Kiprusoff G Kiprusoff, Miikka
 Roman Turek G Karlsson, Henrik

 Mike Commodore D Giordano, Mark
 Andrew Ference D Pardy, Adam
 Denis Gauthier D Sarich, Cory
 Jordan Leopold D Pelech Matt
 Toni Lydman D Bouwmeester, Jay
5 Steve Montador D White, Ian
28 Robyn Regehr D Regehr, Robyn
44 Rhett Warrener D Kronwall, Staffan

Martin Gelinas LW Hagman, Niklas
 Oleg Saprykin LW Tanguay, Alex
 Ville Nieminen LW Glencross, Curtis
 Marcus Nilson LW Sutter, Brett
 Chris Simon LW Ivanans, Raitis
 
 Craig Conroy C Conroy, Craig
 Matthew Lombardi C Jokinen, Olli
 Dean McAmmond C Langkow, Daymond
Steve Reinprecht C Backlund, Mikael
Stephane Yelle C Stajan, Matt

 Chris Clark RW Bourque, Rene
 Shean Donovan RW Jackman, Tim
 Jarome Iginla RW Iginla, Jarome
 Chuck Kobasew RW Moss, David

by budgie d on Aug 14, 2010 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

The ‘04 team was a couple of aboslutely amazing players (Iggy, Kipper) a couple of quality vets (Reggie, Conroy) and the rest were just players who could play the “clutch and grab, trap that ass” system well. That would never work in today’s NHL and that team would have missed the playoffs in ‘04 with the style of game they have today. This team today is way better then the team in ’04. The only player I’d take from ‘04 to put into ’10 would be Conroy for Lanks, although I don’t think there are enough advanced stats from back then to fully argue my point.

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by Justin Azevedo on Aug 14, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

for today

You’d take today’s team over 04’s team for this season. You are right the 04 team was built more for that time, though Ference, Lydman and Leopold weren’t exactly clutch and grab defenders. You’d take an 04 Conroy over a ’10 Langkow – I would too – he was brilliant that year.

by PrairieStew on Aug 16, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Washington won’t be giving up Carlson. Maybe Alzner. But yeah, like was said above, they don’t want to have Regehr’s cap hit for another few seasons, since within two years Alzner, Carlson, Varlamov, Neuvirth, Fehr, and Green will go RFA.

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