Flames Roster and Cap Situations
by Beeker73 on Jul 6, 2010 12:19 PM PDT
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So, here's what I figure:
The Flames currently have just over $3M left in cap space, assuming Backlund is on the roster, along with Sarich, Staios, and Kronwall (according to CapGeek) and somehow Kotalik is not.
They apparently want to sign White, which by some accounts could cost $3.5M or more. If Staios and Kronwall get sent to Abbotsford, that would free up $3.2M for White. That would leave us with only 6 Dmen, so perhaps Kronwall stays up or Pelech replaces him for $0.35M more. I'll assume Kronwall stays up and Pelech stays down.
If Langkow can't start the season (or play in 10-11 at all) then they require another centre. It could be Conroy, Mayers, Cameron, Sutter, Wahl, or someone else altogether. This position could cost anywhere from $0.5M to $1.5M. Cameron falls pretty close to the middle of that range, so I'll use him.
(There is some possible cap relief regarding Langkows injury, but I don't know what it is and so I'm ignoring it.)
My best guess is that one or both of Ivanans and Jackman will spend enough time in the press box that a couple of other 4th line bodies will be required under the cap. Cunning and Niemisz are certainly possibilities here, at a cost of $0.5M and $1.046M respectively.
Goaltending seems settled.
So, here's what it boils down to (in my mind anyway):
Current Salary - Staios + Cameron + Cunning + Niemisz + White @ $3.5 (and not including Kotalik @ $3M) = $59,549,999 or $149,999 over the salary cap.
Something's gotta give. Who's getting traded for picks (or sent to Abbotsford to keep Staios company)? Hagman, Stajan, Bourque, Sarich?
Current situation according to CapGeek, and not including Kotalik at $3M:
| Left Wing | Centre | Right Wing | |||
| Tanguay | $ 1,700,000 | Jokinen | $ 3,000,000 | Iginla | $ 7,000,000 |
| Hagman | $ 3,000,000 | Stajan | $ 3,300,000 | Bourque | $ 3,333,333 |
| Glencross | $ 1,200,000 | Backlund | $ 1,270,833 | Moss | $ 1,300,000 |
| Ivanans | $ 600,000 | Jackman | $ 550,000 | ||
| Dawes | $ 141,667 | Langkow | $ 4,500,000 | ||
| $ 6,641,667 | $ 12,070,833 | $ 12,183,333 | |||
| Defense | Goalies | ||||
| Bouwmeester | $ 6,680,000 | Kiprusoff | $ 5,833,333 | ||
| Giordano | $ 891,667 | Karlsson | $ 500,000 | ||
| Regehr | $ 4,020,000 | ||||
| Sarich | $ 3,600,000 | ||||
| Staios | $ 2,700,000 | ||||
| Pardy | $ 700,000 | ||||
| Kronwall | $ 500,000 | ||||
| White | |||||
| $19,091,667 | $ 6,333,333 | ||||
| Total Salary | $56,320,833 | ||||
| Salary Cap | $59,400,000 | ||||
| Cap Space | $ 3,079,167 | ||||
| Cameron | $ 883,333 | C |
| Cunning | $ 500,000 | LW |
| Niemisz | $ 1,045,833 | RW |
| Sutter | $ 500,000 | C |
| Wahl | $ 854,167 | C |
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White – I hope it is not $3.5. I’m hoping $2.67 – $8 over 3 – give the guy a chance to have a big pay day later.
Staios – not marketable – can he coach ? would he be an asset in Abbotsford ? does the ownership want to eat thay money ? That’s alot that has to fall into place. I think he’s on the opening day roster.
Sarich – Will someone who needs veteran D and couldn’t find one on the FA market take a chance – Buffalo, Carolina, Columbus, Florida, LA, NYI, Washington would be my calls.
Kronwall – will probably stay if they can move Sarich – as up and down for him or Pelech could result in a waiver claim.
Conroy – it will be him if Langkow cant go. No minor league centre option other than Sutter.
The goons – sigh……
Sutter and Cunning your first callups – age and price are both factors. They are cheap and the other guys all need seasoning.
Financially-its time to bring up a couple of farm hands
It looks like financially Calgary must bring up some farm hands. This is due to clearing a veteran or two to sign White. Staios may have to be traded for cap space. Sutter has been criticized for taking too long to bring prospects up.
Here is a question posed in a blog:
slammer154 wrote:I’m just gonna throw this out there.
Is it just me or is it becoming more apparent that all those youngsters that I hear might make a legitimate shot at making the big club this year won’t ever—EVER—get the chance because Dutter’s always brings in people to fill those 3rd and 4th line spots? It just seems like the Heat is just there for show if they rarely send players up.
Sutter has been pretty clear about prospects on the farm. He would rather take time and slowly and methodically bring them in because that gives the player every chance to succeed rather than rush them in which gives them every chance to fail, in his long hockey history he has seen a lot of players rushed and with it, their chance for a NHL career dashed.
OK, it seems prospects must come up to float the boat now. The mop has flopped to a dire cash capped roster where a couple of injuries (the norm) would put prospects in the line-up anyways, or the heavyweights. I’d rather see future talent come up than sign expensive veterans as depth players. The team needs to trade a couple of veterans to free some cash up. Greg Nemisz, and Matt Pelech should join Backlund on the starting roster. I’m sure Sutter will be up though, he’s 23, he needs to make the jump permanently, and he has the inside track. Does anyone else agree that our prospects need to show up on the roster as a matter of economics as well as development?
Personally I like ex Flame Coach Bob Johnson’s approach of mixing in the prospects with the veterans to shake up the lineup, he once brought a whole forward line up at once and used it. He was able to use prospects strategically.
prospects need to show
You are right in saying young players need to be in the mix, but overall they need to help and not hurt the team. While it appears a guy like Pelech should have been given the opportunity as a 2005 first round pick, his progress has been slow – and only at the end of last year did he start to look like a top 2 d man in the AHL. Same goes for 2004 first round pick Kris Chucko – there just isn’t enough evidence to suggest that he is ready for even a limited role.
Pelech may be ready for spot duty – but as you say there are a couple of expensive vets ahead of him,
Nemisz should spend the entire year in the AHL. In the first place – his contract makes him more expensive against the cap if he is up with the big club than Stone, Sutter or Cunning. Using the world juniors as a guage – Nemisz was a bit player for Canada as a 19 year old, while guys one and 2 years younger than him were playing larger roles. One only has to look back in recent pick history to see Dustin Boyd, Chuck Kobasew and the infamous duo of Rico Fata and Daniel Tzachuk as players who played bigger roles for Canada at world juniors and who either required additional farm seasosning or whose career ceiling was the AHL.
prospects need to be shown?
This is just a questions, I have no insight other than intuition.
Does a prospect usually develop into an NHL calibre player without first seeing some regular season NHL ice time? Perhaps a month or 3 on a 4th or 3rd line, or as a 7th defender.
I wonder if having nothing other than AHL or CHL experience is enough for most players (87 and his ilk excluded of course).
Does a prospect usually develop into an NHL calibre player without first seeing some regular season NHL ice time?
No – not generally – but that time must be earned not granted. How he earns it is by being consistently better than others at his position during training camp or by playing consistently well at AHL level.
The failure rate on prospects is high without a doubt. Keep in mind that teams draft 7 guys each year and if they sign one undrafted free agent – they are adding potentially 8 prospects to their stable and that if 2 of them ever become NHL regulars they are doing good. While I support giving a guy a chance, you can’t handicap your team by playing guys who are not ready. It also means that every year you are going to have to give up on a number of guys.
Using a guy like David van Der Gulik(not to pick on a guy – but they recently released him) as an example – he was drafted as an offensive player, and has never developed in to much of a goal scorer at the AHL level. How would it have helped his development, or the Flames as team, if they had carried him as the 13th forward on the big Club last year getting 4- 6 minutes per game; when he had not shown he was deserving of even top 6 minutes in the AHL ?
Sarich or Staios have to go
Neither one is worth the value of their contract. Hell, Staois is barely worth the league minimum. Sutter needs to trade one for a prospect or draft pick. He could actually move both without an impact to the current roster.
A top 4 of J-Bo, Gio, White & Regehr is quite good with guys like Pardy and Kronwall behind them. Pelech could be the 7th defenseman.
Sutter’s downfall has been overpaying for 2nd-tier players like Sarich (or 4th tier players like Staios) and this would be a great time to cut loose some cap hits.
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I think both must go.
But which GM in his right mind trades for Staios without giving an even bigger cap anchor back, besides Darryl? I think the only way we get rid of Steady Steve is to put him in Abbotsford.
As PStew says above, Sarich may be tradeable later in the summer – I certainly hope so.
I imagine that sensible cap management dictates that a team have around $3M cap space to start the season, just in case injuries pile up (like 2 seasons ago).
How do the Flames get to a cap of $56 to $57 million from where they are now? Staios, Kotalik, and roughly another $3M must go away without adding any more salary.
Looking at the player list above, who is in the $2 to $4 million range? Which player of that group will go? Sarich seems like the most likely and sensible option to me.
yep
No argument here – the problem is that you have 2 to move and the market if flooded, Edmonton has Souray and Vancouver has Bieksa. There are some UFA’s out there too. Also do not be suprised if Chicago moves Brian Campbell for a song, now that they have matched the Sharks offer to Hjallmarsson,
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