Filling Holes: What to Make of the Flames Lineup Thus Far
As the summer presses on and rosters begin to take shape, I decided to take a look at what the Flames have achieved thus far this summer and what remains on their proverbial to-do list.
Fowards:
Alex Tanguay- Daymond Langkow- Jarome Iginla
Rene Bourque-OlliJokinen-Niklas Hagman
Curtis Glencross-Matt Stajan-David Moss
Ales Kotalik-Mikael Backlund-???
Raitis Ivanans-Ryan Stone/Brett Sutter-Tim Jackman
The addition of Tanguay and the (re)addition of Jokinen certainly makes the Flames' top six a lot more sturdy looking on paper, especially compared to this time last summer. It's a solid group, but management is banking on a return to form, or at least some degree of it, from Tanguay, Langkow, Jokinen, and Iginla and that Bourque and Hagman can, at the least, maintain their production from last season. That's investing a fair chunk of change into hope and to some extent, luck, IMO. Any way you slice it, Jokinen at $3M and Stajan at $3.5M is too much to pay for a third-line centre, but neither has proven an ability to successfully take on the opposition's best. With Bourque and Langkow being the only forwards in that group that really made a difference in terms of possession last season, they can't be the only ones shouldering the responsibility of moving the puck in the right direction against tough competition, especially if they play on different lines. If Tanguay and Iginla struggle to hold their own against the opposition's first and second lines next season and the team doesn't have another top six forward capable of doing just that, there is certainly cause for concern.
I think a third line of Glencross-Stajan-Moss would be more than capable of inflicting damage against a similar calibre of opposition, but after that it gets rather murky. Kotalik's contract situation is unclear after he went unclaimed on waivers last month and was not bought out by the club, and Backlund's position on the team remains up in the air. I'm of the opinion that he could use another season on the farm, as sticking him on a line with two scrappers isn't going to work to his benefit, and nor will a seat in the press box. At the same time, slotting him in at 3C if Langkow can't go to start the season and no other additions (i.e. Conroy) are made may be beyond his capabilities at this point in his young NHL career. At this point, it looks as if Stone and Sutter could be competing for the 4C spot, but if Stone is healthy and plays wing, they could both potentially have jobs with the big club next season, assuming one or both of Ivanans and Jackman spends the majority of their time either on the bench or in the press box. The addition of another fourth line winger certainly wouldn't be a bad idea.
Defencemen:
Jay Bouwmeester- Robyn Regehr
Mark Giordano- Cory Sarich
*Ian White (RFA)
With White's impending arbitration date only nine days away and only $650K in cap space remaining, Sutter has yet to move a body from the blueline. Steve Staios and Adam Pardy seem like the most likely targets for a demotion while Sarich and Regehr could potentially bring something back in return, notwithstanding health concerns. Bouwmeester and Giordano look to to be the only "untouchables" on the back-end right now, although Regehr also has an NMC in his contract. However, subtract Regehr and this group suddenly looks awfully thin. Ideally, the organization would probably like to make space for a cheap bottom pairing defenceman like Matt Pelech; the former first rounder recently signed a one-year deal worth $600K at the NHL level, and with the Flames strapped for cash and in need of affordable, replacement-level depth, now is as good a time as any for the 22-year-old to make his NHL debut--if he can stay healthy. Staffan Kronwall, who had a decent season in the AHL last year, finishing tied for second on the Heat in scoring amongst defencemen with 28 points in 44 games played, is on a one-way deal at $500K, and is also an option, but at 27-years-old, has much less room for improvement than Pelech does.
Goalies:
With David Shantz no longer in the fold and both Matt Keetley and Leland Irving quite some time away from challenging for the role of Kiprusoff's back-up, Karlsson seems like the clear-cut #2 in Calgary. The only question is how many starts the unproven Swede will get, and the answer is largely dependent on the play of his superior. In the unlikely event that Kipper turns in a repeat performance of his heroics last season, Karlsson could see limited action in back-to-back games or when Miikka gets the hook. Kipper will be 34 this coming season and if Karlsson manages to find the consistency that the Flames' many recent back-ups have lacked and Miikka struggles, the starts could be more split. I don't know how much, if any, of a learning curve exists in the transition between the KHL and the NHL for goalies, but I suppose it's Jamie McLennan's job is to manage that. The situation at back-up is not unlike any of the past few summers in that we as fans likely either have low expectations for the incoming 'tender or no idea what to expect whatsoever. In this case I suspect it's the latter.
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Great article Hayley.
I don’t comment much, but one adjustment I would make to your line ups is the position of Jokinen and Stajan. 3 shooters on the second line won’t work, and Stajan, as much as he’s not a first liner, is an acceptable 2nd line center and can pass fairly well.
I agree about Backlund’s position on the Heat next season, and I’d rather see Brett Sutter than any of those pluggers we signed on the team.
Here’s what I would like to see happen:
Trade Sarich to the Isles/Thrash/Avs etc… for a pick or two, or a prospect – $3.6
Dump Staios in Abby – $2.7
Sign White ~ $3.0
Add Pelech and Kronwall as the 6-7 D-men – $0.6 & $0.5
Now they’re close to $3 in cap room.
Out of that $3, they’re going to have to pay for AHLer’s to cover for Ivanans and/or Jackmans time in the pressbox. We all know that neither of them is starting 82 games.
They may also have to pay for another centre if Langkow isn’t ready to start the season.
Depending on how much they pay for these replacement players, they could be very close to the cap again. If Kotalik goes to the KHL, then they’re golden again.
Who the hell is Henrik Karlsson and where did he come from? I’ve never heard of him before. Also, I’m still puzzled as to why the Flames brought in Ivanans and Jackman, what do they possibly add to the team that the Flames needed?
Karlsson was traded to us by the Sharks for a 6th round pick. He also has his own song.
Ivanans and Jackman are useless. Just like Jeff Friesen, McG, Andre Roy, etc.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jul 22, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t under the impression that Jackman was a goon. I thought he was a checker who will fight (as opposed to a fighter who will check, if that makes any sense).
He sucks. I don’t really think it matters what classification of player he fits under.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jul 23, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder what Stephane Yelle is doing these days?
Darryl Sutter just offered me a NTC. I don't even know the guy..... And it was at an Irish bar.......
by Archbishop Rude on Jul 23, 2010 1:11 AM PDT reply actions
Most under rated flame ever
he might not have scored many goals but he made up for it in shots blocked(most of the time with his teeth)
by ShiftyShayne on Jul 24, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think you necessarily have to make a 4th line of goons in the NHL. I’d like to see a 4th line made up of some guys that could do some damage on the score sheet and not just beat everyone up. From what I’ve heard of Ryan Stone, which isn’t a lot, he gets a tonne of scoring chances. A line with Backlund centering him and Jackman could be a pretty good 4th line and may garner themselves more playing time.
A 4th line of Dawes, Ryan Stone and Moss would crush everyone. It’s just that many of the “Old Boy” GM’s think that having an enforcer deters other teams-which does not seem to be the case at all. Dawes got 15 fucking goals last year playing against tough comp. Imagine what he could do against 4th liners.
There are enforcers that can play hockey- Asham, Konopka, etc. Why can’t Darryl sign those guys? They make the same amount as the bums he got this year.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jul 23, 2010 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
trade rumour
Has anyone heard of a three way trade with Ottawa, Boston and Calgary? Speculation of Spezza, Savard, and Regher involved. How about Jokinen and Kotalik for Savard and anything???
Boston would be wise to not trade Savard, methinks. Unless Thomas can be dealt, they will not be able to afford Bergeron next year when it’s contract time-then all of a sudden, that extremely redonklous depth they have at centre is gone. Of course, Seguin may start out as a 2nd liner and reduce that problem, but still. Cap issues don’t matter as long as everything is even-players & salary in=players & salary out.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jul 23, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Not happening. All three have NTC’s, huge salaries and disparate skills, meaning one may be overvalued or undervalued. Then, you have to add in players that shouldn’t be needed, which effs even more stuff up. Trading players is extremely complicated.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jul 23, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Dawes still in the mix?
Is Dawes still in? What about Conroy? Thanks Justin, I didn’t know about the No Trade Clauses, I just heard someone mention that Calgary is working on a three way trade and saw those names mentioned in another blog. It seems unlikely, I doubt Savard is leaving Boston, and Spezza is too expensive for Calgary-and probably not worth the money, its hard to think of any player worth over 2 million a year.
The outrageous salaries are killing the NHL game, pretty soon the stands will be half full due to outrageous ticket prices and a family won’t be able to take the kids to a game. The only ticket holders will be corporate types and use the venue as an entertainment expense for their clients or staff.
I had a dream that the Flames re-signed Conroy the other night and I was convinced it was true for like, half the day. I was pretty happy about it too, if I recall.
shouldn't you
be dreaming about players closer to your age – not guys old enough to be your Dad ?
by PrairieStew on Jul 30, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha, you would think, but apparently my subconscious doesn’t work that way. I’m not sure he’s quite old enough to be my father though…I’m 20, he’s 38
He made some bad decisions as a teenager.
(Hopefully that’s not creepy.)
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by Justin Azevedo on Aug 2, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
New Season New Hope
Just maybe Jokinen will get way better this season at least he will go through camp and just maybe some magic can be found lot’s of players have had bad seasons then rebound . To me the key is getting White at a good price .
And let’s be real a slump like last years was a fluke that once it got rolling it just would not stop
Show me the CUP
It depends where they use Jokinen. If he’s the 2nd or 3rd line centre, he will do well-especially if Bork or Hagman is there with him to help move the puck forward. Unfortunately, we are all under the assumption that he will be the first line centre again-and that spells doom.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jul 27, 2010 3:50 AM PDT up reply actions

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