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The Question of Eric Nystrom


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2009 - Eric Nystrom 82 11 8 19 0 54 0 0 2 0 91 12.1

Eric Nystrom has become something of a fan favourite around these parts lately, and not because he has lived up to the expectations inherently attached to being the 10th overall pick in the NHL entry draft since becoming a regular contributor to the Flames three seasons ago. Nystrom scored a career-high eleven goals and nineteen points this past season and played the second-most short-handed minutes on of all Flames forwards with 168:22. He also led all Flames forwards in hits with 117 and finished second in that designation with 51 blocked shots, despite only playing an average of 10:56/game at ES.

Those numbers are fine and dandy, but it is arguably Nystrom's "intangibles" that have endeared him most to Flames fans. He played injured for months, continued to sacrifice his body by blocking shots and throwing bodychecks, and rarely looked as if he was taking a shift off. An emotional guy, he was always ready to jump to the defence of his teammates, while rarely if ever taking an ill-advised penalty as a result; in fact, he drew four more penalties than he took this past season. However, as a player whose NHL ceiling appears to be that of a career third or fourth liner, Nystrom can only do so much (regardless of how often Brent Sutter sends him over the boards after an icing call), and the Flames will have to decide if they are willing to fork over the cash for his limited skill set. After the jump, I'll examine Nystrom's possession numbers and underlying stats, and look at the pros and cons of re-signing him and letting him walk. 

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Nystrom spent most of his 897 EV minutes on bottom-six duty, with the exception of an occasional shift alongside Jarome Iginla during the search for that elusive top-line winger, as shown by his QualComp rating. Nystrom faced the second easiest competition of all regular Flames forwards this past season.

QC Corsi QoC Corsi On Corsi Off GFON/60 GAON/60 GFOFF/60 GAOFF/60
-0.07 -0.551 -3.89 +6.17 2.01 1.95 2.27 2.27

One of the most persistent knocks on Nystrom is that he faced easy competition and was still unable to push the puck in the right direction. As demonstrated in the table above, the Flames had a much better corsi rate with Nystrom off the ice than on. 

Here are Nystrom's overall possession numbers this past season:

Shots F/A Shots %  Misses F/A Fenwick %  Blocks F/A Corsi %
356/393 0.475  155/172 0.475  195/190 0.483

Fairly unimpressive results, especially considering the quality of competition Nystrom faced; however he also had the second toughest Zone Start of all regular Flames forwards this past season at 48.4%. While he may have been fed easy minutes at EV, Nystrom's circumstances weren't always so peachy. 

When it comes to score effects, Nystrom had the best possession figures when the Flames were trailing by more than one goal (0.547/0.565/0.591), but appeared to be most effective when the score was close or the game was tied. Nystrom shot 6.7% when the score was tied and 5.1% when it was close, while the team shot 7.3% with Nystrom on the ice when the score was tied and 5.5% when the score was close, with a .951 and .942 SV%, respectively. The resultant 102.4 PDO with Nystrom on the ice and the score tied suggests that a little luck was involved, but the PDO of 99.7 with a close score and Nystrom on the ice seems to fall more in line with reality. His two goals and thirty-nine shots combined with his possession figures when the game was close (491/.476/.482) suggest that he seemed to play best in that situation, and likely saw the majority of his EV ice time under those circumstances. Conversely, Nystrom was at his worst possession-wise when the Flames were leading by more than one goal (.395/.389/.394), but the team still shot 7.6% with him on the ice, for a PDO of 100.7. 

This past season, Nystrom certainly provided good value for his salary, and quite likely outperformed his $688,000,000 cap hit, but with rumours that he could be seeking double the $775,000 he made this year, can the Flames afford to allocate that cap space to a player with some good qualities, but seemingly limited potential (future captaincy aside)? At 27, Nystrom is just entering his prime. He shot a career-high 12.1% this past season when his average is just 8.8%, and is likely in for a regression in the scoring department, but he also finished the season without a minus in front of his +/- rating for first time in his NHL career. With that in mind, in the Flames position and considering their needs, do you shell out potentially $2M+ for a checking forward/PK specialist? Darryl has doled out large amounts of dough for players of Nystrom's ilk before, and we almost always end up bemoaning the presence of said overpaid checker with his immeasurable quantities of 'grit' and 'heart' and his cap-eating contract; will Nystrom be any different? Sutter sounded less than optimistic when addressing the issue of contract negotiations between the two parties on Monday, but the fact remains that the pool of UFAs affordable to the Flames this off-season is small enough as it is, and that number shrinks even further when looking to potentially replace a guy like Nystrom with a relatively established NHL forward for around the same dollar figure. The question remains--if not Nystrom, than who? 

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I’ll be fair to Sutter here… no matter what he does with Nystrom he’s going to upset a bunch of folk. Eric Nystrom busts his ass everytime he’s on the ice, he’s an very good gritty defensive forward, deserves to have a letter stiched on his jersey… he also has little offensive upside. Nystrom is a fan favorite so if Sutter declines to meet his salary demands folk will be upset that he’s gone, but if he meets them folk will be upset that a guy whose maxed out true potential is 4th line grinder/PK specialist is making twice as much the position warrents. No win situation for Daz.

Putting on my armchair GM hat for a moment I offer Nystrom this years Cap Hit + 5% (maybe 3 year term?). Anymore then then that, I let him walk. Fans can pick new favorites but the can’t change the cap limitation. Realistically, I think just the Nystrom name is worth that much to the NY Islanders and it’s not like they’re in the situation where they can’t overpay for a bottom six guy with market appeal.

by Parallex on Jun 2, 2010 9:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Well put, I agree completely. Nystrom is a fan favorite because he’s been around a while (although I wonder how many fans realize he was at 10th overall pick – looking at him from that perspective, he certainly is a bit of a disappointment). He is one of a number of players who a) was part of a team which just finished 10th and b) is replaceable. The Flames can’t just bring back every RFA/UFA and hope for a miracle, and any money they spend on Nystrom above a very small raise limits their chances to be good again next year.

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by maimster on Jun 2, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

at least he's playing

Other first round picks from the past dozen years or so that are no longer ( or never were) NHL ers
97 Daniel Tzachuk
98 Rico Fata
99 Oleg Saprykin
00 Brent Krahn
04 Kris Chucko
05 Matt Pelech ( still hope but it’s been 5 years)
06 Leland Irving ( took a step back this year – I’m not optomistic)
If all of these guys were contributing at the level that Nystrom is ( bottom 6 fwd/ 5-6 d or backup goalie) , whether here or elsewhere – this would be a much stronger team.
For the record – only Chuck Kobasew and Dion Phanuef are other Flame first rounders from 97 to present that are NHL players.

by PrairieStew on Jun 2, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only reason Pelech hasn’t become a regular NHLer is because of the Org’s wealth of defensemen. I would not hesitate to say that if Daz had not acquired Stralman and Kronwall, Pelech would have been the #6 until the trade deadline.

Also, with Irving-it takes goalies forever to develop. Look at Cory Schneider-he’s played 10 games in the NHL despite being drafted in 04.

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by Justin Azevedo on Jun 2, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well…the depth and his injuries. He missed half the season this year with a pinched nerve. Hard to call a guy up – or evaluate his performance – when he’s on IR. The only full season he played in the AHL thus far was his rookie year.

by Kent Wilson on Jun 2, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only reason that Nystrom appears to be a disappointment relative to his draft position is because guys like him are usually taken in the third or fourth round and exceed everyone’s expectations by simply securing a regular job in the NHL while players chosen 10th overall will presumably develop into top six forwards or top four defenders. He was a dependable player in college, but never produced at a PPG rate there or in the AHL, so I don’t think he has disappointed at the NHL level from that perspective.

Nystrom is a quintessential Sutter player whom Darryl probably could have chosen later in the draft had he waited, but he went for it, and the return has been decent. Losing Nystrom would mean the loss of another one of the few viable NHLers actually drafted and developed by the organization, further limiting its ability to replenish itself. I don’t want the Flames to overpay for Nystrom, but I certainly don’t want to lose him for nothing either.

by Hayley on Jun 2, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

On the other hand, I don’t know if Nystrom ever would have made the team if he wasn’t a former first round draft pick (and his name wasn’t “Nystrom”). He’s pretty much a replacement level player, albeit one who works hard, is professional, yadda yadda yadda. His results in the AHL were really mediocre and I suspect that genes, name recognition and a wish to garner some value out of a former first round pick helped get him to where he is.

by Kent Wilson on Jun 2, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just outta curiosity where was Nystrom ranked by ISS/CSS in his draft year?

by Parallex on Jun 2, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

13th

Nystrom was ranked 13th of North american skaters – not including goalie or Euro skaters. So closer to 20th then. Notables – Stajan ranked 18th, Keith Ballard 19th Maxime Talbot 86th and Cam ward 4th among NA goalies

by PrairieStew on Jun 2, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree that a wish to garner some value out of a former first rounder was likely a big part of him becoming a permanent fixture on the team. A first round bust almost always looks bad, but one chosen with the tenth overall pick? Yikes.

by Hayley on Jun 2, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really don’t think that losing Nystrom because he’s a “viable player drafed and developed by the organizaion” is any different than losing a guy like Huselius who was drafted elsewhere and traded for. The draft is important because it’s the organization’s chance to find talent that can be cheap and maintainable for a period of time; however, if the Flames whole team consisted of players traded for or signed as free agents and they were winning playoff rounds, I wouldn’t care at all if they’d gotten rid of guys they’d drafted in the process.

I guess I’m saying that the fact that Nystrom was drafted as opposed to signed as a free agent is irrelevant to what I think he’s worth now.

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by maimster on Jun 3, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

loyalty

Hopefully a guy like Nystrom, who has been part of the organization for 8 years, might have some loyalty – and that helps the organization’s rep with other players if they show it to him as well. I think he can be signed for about $3.5 m for the next 3 years. Glencross might only cost $1.2 this year, but could cost an additional $4 for the next 2 years. If I can get a pick for Curtis and gain more salary flexibility going forward I’d do it.

by PrairieStew on Jun 3, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d take GlenX over Nystrom any time. I’m also not a big believer in the loyalty thing – players go where the money and jobs are available and make decisions on what’s best for them, not typically the organization.

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by maimster on Jun 3, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the fact that Nystrom was drafted by the Flames affects what he’s worth, but I think that losing a player whom you drafted and invested time and money into for nothing is different than losing a player whom you signed as a UFA, especially for a team like the Flames that have done a relatively poor job or drafting and retaining talent.

by Hayley on Jun 3, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pelech & Irving

Pelelch :agreed, he may have been held back by depth, but I think it was’nt until this year he put it all together, he was not ready last fall, and now his contract is done and the team faces a choice – do they see a glimmer of hope ? Irving had been making forward progress until this year and then went backwards. He needs to show this year he can play with regularity in the AHL or he will not get another contract and it will be another first round bust.

Ideally you’d like to see all of your first round picks become top 6 fwds or top 4 d or starting goalies, and one other pick each year develop in to bottom half of roster player. If you can get 2 good NHL players out of each draft, you are doing well. I agree with Kent – they showed plenty of patience with Nystrom because he was a first pick with name recognition; but I think they have showed patience with Chucko too, only 2 years younger and has really not come along, we can’t say he has kept pace with Nystrom’s development can we ?

by PrairieStew on Jun 2, 2010 2:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I like Eric Nystrom, quite a bit, as a personality on the ice. I think it’s nice, at some basic level, to have these types of players on the team, as long as they can play hockey. We’re fans after all, it’s nice to cheer for genuinenly nice players instead of the douchebags the VAN fans have to endorse.

Still, that only holds if they can actually play hockey. If there’s a better choice – a similarly paid player might be Ty Kennedy, though he’s not at the same stage of his RFA/UFA years – then you make that choice.

In any case, Nystrom’s no hell at playing hockey. Though for 600-700k and within his RFA/UFA years, I can’t come up with a name that isn’t significantly worse.

by R O on Jun 2, 2010 2:37 PM PDT reply actions  

That’s the problem. I tried finding comparable players who would be UFAs this summer making around the same dollar figure, and the pickings are very slim.

by Hayley on Jun 2, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nigel Dawes is a better player than Nystrom. He makes 850k. Curtis Glencross is a markedly superior player to Eric Nystrom. He makes 1.2 million. I’d have a hard time justifying a contract for Nystrom that was much more than 750-800k per season, nice guy or no.

by Robert Cleave on Jun 2, 2010 5:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Glencross is the best comparison, since Dawes will likely be getting a substantial raise at next renegotation. Probably 1.5x what Nystrom gets from whomever he signs with this year.

by SmellOfVictory on Jun 2, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Dawes can give us 15 goals on a consistent basis, I’d be willing to pay him 2 million a season.

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by Justin Azevedo on Jun 3, 2010 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

If 15 goals are worth $2M, then wouldn’t 11 goals to go along with all the other good things already mentioned about Nystrom be worth $1.47M?
This just happens to be almost exactly double the average of his cap hit and what he actually made last year.

by Beeker73 on Jun 3, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

But Nystrom scored 11 goals playing against 4th liners with shitty possession stats while Dawes was doing it against 2nd and 3rd liners with excellent possession stats. That is quite a difference in quality, at least to me.

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by Justin Azevedo on Jun 3, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dawes played with 2nd liners and had PP time too !. Nystrom didn’t have that luxury and he brings other stuff. Dawes is a good value at 850 K, and looked like an excellent value with 10 goals before Christmas last year. Here’s hoping he is a 20 goal guy this year, because he if he does he might be one of the only forward to outperform his contract.

by PrairieStew on Jun 3, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he was also playing against 2nd liners. Nystrom was playing with 4th liners against 4th liners. One had more goals and better possession stats. Seems pretty clear cut to me which I would rather give the money to. Keep in mind Dawes also sat out of 10 games, where Nystrom played pretty much all of them.

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by Justin Azevedo on Jun 3, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily. For some teams, maybe. Dawes put up 34 points and, as mentioned below, had better possession numbers than Nystrom against tougher comp. Dawes would be getting 2 mil/year as a 2nd/3rd line guy (depending how he does in the upcoming season, etc) whereas Nystrom would most likely be a 4th liner, playing significantly less minutes.

by SmellOfVictory on Jun 3, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

minutes

their TOI was close – Dawes about a minute per game more. The difference was that he had nearly 2 min per game on the PP and Nystrom 10 seconds, and Nystrom had over 2 min on the PK and Dawes was basically zero.

by PrairieStew on Jun 3, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nystrom was played on the top line occasionally, which was a terrible misuse of him as a player. I’m not saying he couldn’t be a 3rd liner on some teams, but the Flames have an assload of 3rd liners already (Moss, Glenx, potentially Kotalik, potentially Dawes, potentially Stajan), and paying over a million for anyone on the 4th line is generally a poor idea (especially with the cap issues the Flames currently have).

by SmellOfVictory on Jun 3, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

giveaways

Where do you find giveaway/takeaway stats. My suspicion is that Nystrom is markedly superior to Glencross in this area. If I could get a decent draft pick for Glencross and sign Nystrom around the million mark – I don’ think the team is much worse off for next year, and quite possibly is better off long term restocking the cupboard.

As to Dawes getting a raise – I think he has to prove his first half last year is repeatable; and he can sustain it for a whole season.

by PrairieStew on Jun 3, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

For Real? To my eye the drop off between Glencross and Nystrom is pretty steep, GlenX has tons more speed and a better shot with all other play aspects being about equal.

by Parallex on Jun 3, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

give-aways and take-aways are fairly useless barometers for performance, especially given the fact that there’s no objective way to measure them.

by Kent Wilson on Jun 3, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Regardless of their value, I looked up the 09-10 giveaway/takeaway stats for you. Glencross had more of both 15 more takes, 17 more gives… frankly given that Glencross got the tougher assignments of the two at EV I stand by my original position. There’s not much Eric Nystrom does that Curtis Glencross doesn’t do as good or better.

by Parallex on Jun 3, 2010 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

speed not everything

Nystrom far more consistent by my eye, positionally and intensity wise . Glencross sometimes way too cute with the puck, occasional daydreaming on defensive coverage.

by PrairieStew on Jun 3, 2010 8:51 AM PDT reply actions  

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this then. I never saw the guy be lax in his defensive responsibilities anymore then anyone else. And while speed may not be everything it’s still quite a bit… particularily for the Flames who were, again to my eye, painfully slow (at least at fwd) last year I’d never advocate electing to deliberately make the team slower.

by Parallex on Jun 3, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Several times this year I saw Glencross get way too cute in handling the puck in that danger zone just inside the blue line. Often this was on the penalty kill – instead of getting it out with authority, trying to finesse it past in order to get a short handed break. This behaviour usually followed when he had scored a goal; he started to think he was a skill player. In contrast I can not recall Nystrom or Higgins ever being too cute with the puck.

With all of the advanced stats everyone is throwing around, are you telling me Kent that when a guy coughs up the puck in his own zone, that this is not measurable or valid ?

by PrairieStew on Jun 3, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Takeaways/giveaways are not a valid measure unless they are measured the exact same way in every rink, and they’re not. THey’re like hits, a useless stat because they’re 100% dependent on each official scorer’s version of what a hit is.

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by maimster on Jun 3, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

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