The Staios deal is a mess. Whatever "intangibles" he adds to the roster are likely to fall well short of his relatively expensive contract. Unless he regains the sort of on-ice form he showed years ago, Staios is a bad bet to provide value for his contract and is a toxic asset - one which was happily expunged by the rather hapless organization up north.
It's a move that smacks of a man either lost in the past or completely out of ideas.
My look at the Steve Staois acquisition.
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I have liked a total of one moves by Sutter in the past two years, and it came yesterday when we got rid of MacBackup. That’s really sad.
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Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
Have we really acquired another Cory Sarich? I more get the impression that it’s another Jim Vandermeer.
Really thou… I cast my vote with the “Lost in the Past” option. Honestly, I’m not to far away from thinking D. Sutter should just be given his gold watch, thanked for his years of service and then shown (and pushed through if need be) the door. Preferably before the draft and before he can hand out any more contracts with NTC (modified or otherwise).
I think it’s more of a Sarich because of his salary, although he performs about as well as him too.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 4, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Kent, I’m convinced Sutter will be given the green light to bury Staios next season. He’s making only $700k than Eriksson did.
In fact, I don’t think a trade for an extra $2M or so in real money paid happens without approval from ownership, whether implicit (“Darryl, you’re in charge of the hockey decisions”) or explicit (“Darryl, you can trade for Staios”).
Myself I hate the deal but that’s with my owner’s hat on. Who in their right mind would pay $2M more than they have to for 20 regular season games and one to two postseasons of Staios? But it’s not my money and RCleave points out often that the Flames are pretty easy going with the purse strings.
I’m pretty sure that Staios is probably at least equivalent if not better than Johnson (I think Johnson wasn’t that good). That’s not something I pay $2M for but with my fan hat on I’m not nearly as panicked as I was yesterday.
The real kick in the nuts is that we have to wait yet again (and maybe forever) to see if Sutter will make any real impact moves.
Then the owners, to put it bluntly, are dupes and pawns. Aaron Ward, a similar player, could have been had yesterday and his contract expires next season. Paying $2.7M next year and whatever he’s owed this year for a 19 game stretch run (where he’s mostly certainly guaranteed not to be any kind of difference maker one way or the other) is just this side of insanity.
Then the owners, to put it bluntly, are dupes and pawns.
Yup. They’ll pay more than I’ll ever see in my lifetime to give the Heat veteran leadership next year. Rich people, I tell ya.
by R O on Mar 4, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Rich and old. Thats a bit of the problem. They want to win before they die, so Sutter gets more leeway then he should re: the owners money, in my opinion.
So…Domebeers.com would look cool on the blogroll.
Furthermore, I think Peter Loubardias should be fired.
by Domebeers.com on Mar 4, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Some food for thought…
This past offseason Sutter fixed some mistakes he made overpaying for depth (with Vandermeer & Primeau… costing us draft position in the process for Primeau) and instead made a new mistake (overspending on blueliners, underspending on forwards) so he went out and dealt one of the big ticket d-men for quality forwards but in the process brought in an overpaid depth forward (Jamal Mayers) and later an overpaid d-man (Steve Staois).
So we’re basically back where we were pre-deadline last year except that we have different acters playing the same role.
If he’s still in office by the offseason watch him sign Kovalchuk and Marleau to outrageous contracts. He has yet to go the severely-overpaid-elite-forward route yet, and I think that’s his next project.
by SmellOfVictory on Mar 4, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
He’d to expunge a huge amount of cash to do that. The Flames have a pretty set roster in terms of contracts next (17 players at $53M+)
Of course, it would make far more sense to not take on useless contracts in the first place (Eirksson, Primeau, Vandermeer, Zyuzin, Nilson, Kotalik, Staios, Warrener…)
I’m sure if he pairs them with a bunch more picks he can dump them all. :D
by SmellOfVictory on Mar 4, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
That feels like a shot at Domebeers, you know how we love us some Ilya.
I’ve been thinking, and maybe I’ll write a post on it, but there has to be some number that no one is worth. Like how many points do you gotta get to be worth 10 million in cap for X years, ect.
I’ve been thinking, and maybe I’ll write a post on it, but there has to be some number that no one is worth.
The 20% salary max renders this a bit moot. For instance, this was looked at here and here, the conclusion being that if you’re looking at marginal points per marginal dollar, some players (Ovechkin, Crosby) can’t be paid enough. You could give them $11M over a reasonable term (5-7 years let’s say) and they would still be value contracts.
by R O on Mar 5, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
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