NHL Trade Deadline Open Thread
by Robert Cleave on Mar 2, 2010 7:27 PM PST
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With roughly 17 hours left for teams to tinker with their rosters, it seems as good a time as any to put this up. The Flames, with the recall of Mikael Backlund, had 16 (!?!?!?) forwards at practice this morning, but as I've mentioned in the past month or so, the roster limits are gone as of tomorrow, so if Daz wants to go with 25 guys in the bigs for the duration, he can, since the Flames are in no cap danger at all. If they felt like taking a big ticket, they'd be able to do so without moving anyone of note.
That stipulated, I'd be a little surprised if anything major happened tonight or tomorrow for Calgary. The currency of deadline deals usually turns out to be draft picks, and as we're all too aware, the Flames aren't flush with those over the next couple of seasons. Maybe a Boyd move happens, maybe a GM falls, bangs his head, and remembers when Cory Sarich was a reliable tough minutes defender, maybe someone loves Ales Kotalik more than common sense should permit. I'm not holding my breath on any of that stuff. Unless something unexpected pops up, the Flames finished their major work for the year a month ago.
So, it's likely other teams that will do something or other between now and 1 MT, and the comments are yours to discuss, analyse, and vent, if need be.
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When I read “Thrashers sign 48-year-old D Chelios” I had a bit of a suprised giggle. Not exactly a trade per se, but MAN is he old.
I got 20 plus years on him and he could still kick my ass
by Domebeers.com on Mar 3, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
Indubitably, but if I were to guess I would say that you’re not an NHL player. =D
by SmellOfVictory on Mar 3, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Chris Chelios is so old he invented fire. True story.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Reportedly Poni to the Pens.
My prediction Sutter will make one trade and it will be a 3 for 1 & Pick.
Langkow, Boyd and Sarich are probably our top three trades assets with maybe Chris Higgins though he’s only played 6 Games here.
Shit Happens.
Ray Shero’s a good GM, Kent. Conversely, Burke must love the hell out of Luca Caputi, because we are talking about a guy who was a 4th rounder when the Pens drafted him three years ago. If the rumours about LA offering Oscar Moller and a 3rd are true, Burke erred, IMO. Poni’s a nice pickup for the Pens.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 2, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
It’s a decent trade, but Shero’s biggest advantage is having Sidney F. Crosby on the team. I wager most teams (>15, let’s say) could make the same trade but Shero has the luxury of a single upgrade in his top 6 to be enough for the next 5 to 10 years.
by R O on Mar 2, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
There are a few GMs that can’t identify useful support players to save their lives, R O. Shero might have an easier time of it, but that same team was ninth in the conference as of late February ‘09 with the same Sidney F. Crosby, and Shero acted with alacrity, both in terms of changing his coach and adding winger depth. To use the current term of art, he’s a pretty good assessor ;-)
by Robert Cleave on Mar 2, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
No that’s fair. Tambeloweni’s no good at that, and I’d argue Burke has constructed his team in eerie video-game-like fashion.
Still, I think there’s a wide gap between when Shero makes this trade and if, say, Sutter trades for Poni while giving up say Kronwall and Nemisz. Shero’s got such elite talent in Crosby that he doesn’t actually need to upgrade that wing position that much to contend.
by R O on Mar 2, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Sure. He doesn’t need to sell the farm for a Kovalchuk or Heatley type to make his big guns competitive. Caputi is likely a lesser prospect than Nemisz, but I agree with the general gist of where you’re headed.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 2, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t follow the Penguins much but do they have the who-will-play-centre-with-Iggy syndrome with Crosby? As in endless speculation as to who will play on Sid’s wing etc.?
After watching his game up close at the Olys I am convinced he doesn’t need wingers that are that good, he plays such a winger’s game in the offensive zone anyway that it’s no wonder how he drives offense for his team. Stick him with two guys who are hard on the puck along the boards and don’t dog it on the backcheck and he could outscore half or more of the league’s top lines.
by R O on Mar 2, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, they’ve had a bit of that, mostly because they haven’t had one brand-name winger on the team since Hossa left. Can’t say it’s hurt them much.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 2, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s the power of Crosby. Looking at the rest of that roster… a mess. Fleury in nets, Malkin paid as much as Crosby, Staal for $4M… just insane. They do have Gonchar and Kennedy but damn, some terrible bets made on some guys who they don’t need or aren’t as good as they’re made out to be.
by R O on Mar 2, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
Ha. The Pens now have 30k worth of cap space left with those two trades.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 1:14 AM PST up reply actions
And once again the Pens make a solid deadline trade.
I think, if a team had the cap space, you could get a decent first line centre + pick for Langks, Boyd, and Sarich. If Toronto had an actual first line centre they’d probably do the trade. =D Higgins has got to be a resign for Calgary, because otherwise the Jokinen trade makes zero sense.
by SmellOfVictory on Mar 2, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Why is Langkow being tabled as a tradeable player? He’s an impact forward and unlike Kipper it’s a lot easier to predict how he’ll perform next year, given that he’s been nothing but quality in his tenure as a Flame and doesn’t have a significant injury history that I know of.
I don’t think he is, unless there’s a 1C coming back, and I don’t mean the Olli Jokinen type of 1C, either. He has an NMC as well, and although I don’t doubt he’d ultimately accept a move, he might not just go anywhere at his age. I know there’s some chatter about him in the less-reputable regions of the internet, but I don’t see it tomorrow. As I mentioned yesterday, I could see it in the right scenario this summer, but not now.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 2, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
I heard murmurs on the FAN. Nothing rumor-like, just Boomer throwing it out there. Thank goodness we have these beacons of journalistic aptitude to shine the light for us.
by R O on Mar 2, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Whatever Happens...
When we play tomorrow, I sure as God hope B Sutter rolls with 4 solid lines that are a threat to score whenever a la the 2006 Buffalo Sabres. The Flames can finally do that, and I pray he doesn;’t bench anyone decent in favor of Conroy/McGrattan/Mayers/Nystrom.
Hagman-Stajan-Iginla
Bourque-Langkow-Higgins
Glencross-Boyd-Dawes
Kotalik-Backlund-Moss
Or whatever combos he uses of the above 12.
Weird to say Nystrom is cut, but the guy looks too comfortable out there. He needs to be playing for his job more
If Conroy is actually healthy, I have no objection to him in a 4th line role, but with the current group, Nystrom, McG and Mayers should all be watching. That said, given the fetish that the Flames have for “toughness”, I’m sure Mayers will play until his legs fall off.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 2, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I was going to say Conroy is useful on the PK and such. I guess Boyd either gets scratched or moved to the wing in lieu of Moss or maybe Dawes, but this is in the perfect world. We’ll probably enjoy a 4th line that plays 3 minutes tomorrow night with the aforementioned plugs instead of decent players..
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 2, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
They seem to have a newly acquired fetish for faceoffs too. I don’t know why, you run the numbers and they don’t appear important enough to spend $3.5M on :-)
by R O on Mar 2, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Rod, I agree with your lines, but there’s no way in hell Mayers is getting scratched tomorrow.
by M F on Mar 2, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Unless Mayers plays on a line with Dawes and Iginla I don’t want to see him out there
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 2, 2010 9:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
They all be too comfy, yo
Half the team is from Alberta. I think that makes them complacent, myself. Sun Tzu says never fight your battles on home turf, and I think there is something to that.
by Domebeers.com on Mar 3, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
By the way, tonight just reminds me of why I hate the Canucks so much. VAN got dominated (Corsi indicates Columbus was outplayed but actually they led for more than 40 minutes of the game and kept the shot count really close) and yet walk away with another two points.
The most painful part of the Olympics was not seeing the Canadians score 8 goals in the final. With that kind of goal support Luongo could have easily given up 7, embarassed himself on the international stage, and gone home with tail between legs. I never once cheered for that bastard, half of me wanted that Slovak goal to go in. It’s painful to have to admit that he’s a good goalie.
R, the Olympics were a win-win situation from a Flames fan standpoint. If Luongo did decent, Canada would win gold. If he fucked up and Canada lost, we would have him to blame.
by M F on Mar 2, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
It could have been win-win… win though! Under my dream scenario, with Luongo having a GAA of 7 or so, complete with many Salo moments, but Canada ultimately bailing him out and winning… that would have been perfect!
by R O on Mar 2, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
breaking News
Habs deal Matt D’Agostini to Blues for Aaron Palushaj
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 2, 2010 9:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Wild players getting drunk at Joyce on 4th right now, buy them some beers to make sure they’re extra hungover tomorrow if you’re in the area.
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 2, 2010 10:24 PM PST via mobile reply actions
There are 3 players on the team that can and may be moved: Sarich, Boyd, and Moss. None of them have NTCs, all of them have potential trade value. Sarich could be viewed by some moron GM’s as a good stay-at-home, Boyd as a young, fast, developing skill player, and Moss as a 20 goal scorer who has had some bad luck this year. I don’t think Sutter will do anything major, and I would be surprised if he makes more then one move for draft picks/prospects. Boyd-Moss for Player X and 2nd or low 1st, or something along those lines.
And to note: the only Flames with NTC’s/NMC’s that are effective tomorrow are Kipper, JBow, Kotalik, Reggie, Iggy and Lanks. So none of them are going anywhere. (via CapGeek.)
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
Oh yeah: Trade Boyd and you are looking at a Lomboesque situation in one or two years.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah we knew all this already as per discussion here and flamesnation
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 3, 2010 6:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Great. I don’t really read FN comments, and I’m guessing there are some people here who don’t either. Besides, up to the point I posted this there was no one who had actually laid out all of the NMC/NTC’s on the team in this thread.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 7:32 AM PST up reply actions
What are there no ramifications for having extra roster players starting today? What changes today that no longer factors cap hits? I’m confused by the statement Bob…please explain.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
As I understand it, the roster limit is 23 until the trade deadline passes. You can have as many players on your roster as long as their cap hits add up to less than the cap. Once the season is over the cap no longer applies either, you can have a hundred guys who are paid $100M in the regular season if you wanted.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 6:39 AM PST up reply actions
That’s exactly correct. In fact, the Flames have hoarded enough cap space that they could call up another 8-10 guys from Abbotsford and still make the cap for the year financially. Alternatley, they could absorb a major ticket, even a guy like a Kariya at 6 million, and still have enough cover for a bad run of injuries.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 6:43 AM PST up reply actions
Just to add, as of right now CapGeek shows the Flames with 1.9 million in cap space, and the ability to absorb 9.2 million in prorated salaries. You’d just like to keep a few bucks in the kitty so that you don’t have a redux of last April, like maybe 4-500 K in full season money, or about 2-2.5 million prorated.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
8 to 10! Sutter doesn’t mess around does he?
He’s a very reactionary guy, after the 2004 playoff defenseman drought he hoarded blueliners, now he’s stocking up on extra guys. I’m not sure it’s worth it.
Injuries played a role last season but in my mind it was only the loss of Regehr and Bourque that hurt. Having a full roster of replacement level guys wouldn’t have done anything to ameliorate that. Bad luck and the terrible-ness of Jokinen were bigger factors though, something that having 16 forwards doesn’t address.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 6:51 AM PST up reply actions
Well, yeah, but even if we had cap space calling up AHL forwards to fill the fourth line wouldn’t have done anything. We’d either have played them 5 minutes in soft minutes so they wouldn’t bleed, or play them ten minutes and they get exploited and probably cost us a quarter of a goal per game.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, just a bad run of snake eyes all around. Lady Luck basically stole that division title from us and gave it to VAN (and they might be doing it again this season).
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 6:56 AM PST up reply actions
God, the Jokinen trade….. still makes me mad. I don’t lose sleep over the first rounder but Lombardi would still be useful on this roster and ultimately trying to put the Joker into useful roles on this squad cost us a season of ineffectiveness.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 7:01 AM PST up reply actions
Hahaha, TSN uses NHLNumbers.com, which I believe is a site that Kent’s friend runs out of Calgary (right Kent?).
TSN should really be running their own version of NHL numbers, they are The Insiders, after all.
Yup. In fact, I run the site when he’s out of town or something.
They’ve used it for years. I once met Roger Millions and he mentioned that a huge portion of the media used NHLnumbers.
Domebeers.com uses it. A suggestion on the site I would make: A little asterisk or something to donate NTC’s.
by Domebeers.com on Mar 3, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
An opportunity to plug Domebeers.com again? Ill take it!
Why yes, Avalain, I meant denote.
by Domebeers.com on Mar 3, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
I love NHLNumbers…use it all the time for my work…good to know Kent is affiliated with it.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
So according to Tim Panaccio of CSN Philly, Vokoun waived his NTC. Okay, the Tweet was ill formed sentence structure-wise, but think that’s what he was saying.
And given the source I’m guessing Vokoun is going to Philly.
A roster player going back? I recall Philly traded their 1st for Pronger, but the Panthers don’t exactly have leverage here.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 7:03 AM PST up reply actions
Here we go: @TPanotch: Source in fla says they want carter for vokoun. Vokoun would waive NTC for flyers
You know that’s a fair hockey trade, but I doubt it will happen. Florida doesn’t have leverage here.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 7:08 AM PST up reply actions
If the Panthers had two goalies and was in 5th place, I would have to. As it stands, the Panthers aren’t in a position to play hardball, in my mind.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 7:09 AM PST up reply actions
I can’t decide if I would or not, on the one hand, Carter is a great sniper/goal scorer, and is still young with a lot of upside. Why trade that away? On the other hand, if I’m Philly’s GM, there’s no way I’m going to the post season with Leighton as my #1. No way in hell.
Philly can always talk to NYI about Roloson, or put together a less expensive package than Jeff Carter (!!!) for Halak.
Florida want’s a quality for quality swap here and that’s their right, both teams would benefit, but they’re just not in a good position here. Although one has to admire them, it takes balls.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 7:12 AM PST up reply actions
As a note for those who weren’t aware, the NHL has aggregated a number of media Twitter feeds at this page.
So according to The Fourth Period, the Rangers and Oilers are in talks. Would anyone else find it hilarious if Jokinen got traded again? And to the Oilers no less? Also, would anyone else feel really bad if Prust got traded again?
I am reading murmurs on Redden, who is a good defenseman but has a contract way out of whack. That would be funny if the Oil acquired him.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 7:24 AM PST up reply actions
They would both be transfixed by the others amount of over paid, aging, and unproven players. It’s like the GM equivalent of dividing by zero.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 7:34 AM PST up reply actions
So apparently Boston is freeing up cap space for something.
I don’t understand what they’re angling for, they were a terrible team last year buoyed up by shooting percentage and goaltending. I ugess they’re trying one last desperate pitch to make the playoffs but they are basically the 09/10 Avs regressed to the mean.
Fourth round pick for Morris. I don’t rate him highly at all, and at his price Boston would be better served just trolling the FA market for D next season. I don’t rate picks very highly but good trade, in isolation, for Boston.
No direction to that team though, they have made some mind-boggling extensions recently.
“they have made some mind-boggling extensions recently.”
Like I said, similarities between Boston and Calgary.
Yeah. Although I rate Calgary’s extensions a lot higher. Thomas and Lucic extensions are indefensible. I didn’t like Stajan but there have been reasonable analyses put forward. Same with Bourque’s.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 7:41 AM PST up reply actions
Okay, a bit more than Stajan, $3.75M. Though given he’s younger (23) and has a pretty good upside, there’s much worse contracts out there.
It was the going rate last summer when he, Zajac and Bolland came due. Lucic’s deal was silly. He was 4 years away from UFA.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
Thomas, in a way, is everything I fear Kipper could be next season. Early 30’s guy, coming off Veznia year, and all of a sudden benched for a goalie that in no way should be better then him in terms of money-to-performance.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
Thomas is 36 (!!!) which is why I found the signing so awful. High risk plus long term plus the clause about over-35 contracts… a shitshow all around. I don’t like Kipper’s contract but at the very least the Flames can pressure him to retire. Boston literally has zero options with Thomas.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
36? WTF? I was thinking he was 32 or something…He was over 35 when he signed the contract, correct? That means they have to pay him every cent of that contract, even if he retires. That’s really stupid.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
That’s exactly right. It’s a brutal brutal contract.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
i just wanted to pipe in and say good morning…. wondering if anyone noticed that grant clitsome got two points last night. ;)
Priority #1: Trade for Grant Clitsome. I wonder if Daz could ice a whole line up with guys whos names border on NSFW.
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Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 7:41 AM PST up reply actions
i would like this. plus, i gotta say it, he’s pretty cute. :P
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 7:42 AM PST up reply actions
that would probably be a pretty good team…. can we pickup niclas or henrik loob ???
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 7:43 AM PST up reply actions
i wonder how many #44 jerseys are gonna start popping up in columbus.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
i will work on this today. with my total stumbly computer knowledge, i should have it by later this aft over on hitthepost. ;)
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
you make a movie and post it. i did the same thing for swedish chef, i just forgot.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 7:47 AM PST up reply actions
It would take picks to get a player of Nathan Horton’s billing so we are out on him, same goes for Alex Frolov and most likely Colby Armstrong.
So here’s who I have left
Raffi Torres
Scott Walker
Steve Reinprecht
Jeff Halpern
Ryane Clowe?
Shit Happens.
I like Torres and don’t really know enough about the other guys to make a decison on them.
Maybe Daz can flip someone for a pick?
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
That’s what I think it might be that or Sutter does a 3 for 1 & Pick. But Jermaine Franklin will be reporting soon and we will here the same thing. ‘’We brought in seven new guys, there is no point for us to make more moves’’
How many players are you aloud to dress twenty? so their will be five guys up stairs watching, I’m already scared that the box they sit in will fall down on to the ice.
Shit Happens.
I think 16 Skaters and 2 goalies, so 18.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Plus 2 goalies, so 20 it is. 5 in the PB seems silly. As wi asked a few weeks back when this scenario was looming, “do non-playoff teams really need black aces?”
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
i said that ? sometimes i say really smart things…. usually i’m drunk and don’t remember them. ;)
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
You have a beer, your IQ goes to 160. We need some scientists working on that.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
you should’ve seen me with three beers in, telling paul maurice why dion was a terrible hockey player. :P
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
Haha. You would be the best assistant GM ever! 20 bucks on drinks and you turn out to be prophetic.
Yes, I’m still being stubborn about that trade.
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Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
Who’s TO getting back? Pick?
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Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 8:03 AM PST up reply actions
And by stubborn, you mean moronic.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
wow. that caputi guy had better be good. ponikarovsky for caputi and a fifth rounder ??? that’s like jokinen for lombo and a first…. total theft.
MacK said last night on his blog that the Leafs are looking at a 70-point season next year. They may be hoping for a little too much.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
oh, indeed…. but it’s been awhile since you’ve heard it. :)
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
i’m still a big fan of the pekka rautakallio line. :P
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
This Boston trade is… intersting. It’s like if Calgary dumped Sarich only to turn around and pick up a similar D. Sideways moves!
And makes over a million less. If Calgary had made a Sarich for Seidenberg move in January, I would have applauded it as a move to set yourself up for this week’s potential activities and ease your future. Boston making the move now doesn’t seem as clear-cut since they’re still tight to the cap.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah. I’m thinking mostly about how upgrading from Morris to Seidenberg actually helps the B’s (verdict: sideways)
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions
I’d really like that and he wouldn’t cost an arm and a leg and we can worry about resigning come June.
He knows the team, he work’s well with Iggy, Daz once called him one of the best Left Wingers in the game. All the pieces for that deal could work.
As well Tampa delayed their flight till 3:30 so I expect them to be busy today.
Shit Happens.
I would need a report on his shoulder before I give that the thumbs up.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
The Flames have 8 wingers that wouldn’t be totally out of place in a NHL top nine at the moment, right?
Hagman-Iginla
Higgins-Kotalik
GlenX-Bourque
Dawes-Moss
Unless Ales Kotalik is out the door, I have a feeling that the window to acquire Tanguay closed when they added all the forwards in the other deals. I like him more than most, but I’m not sure there’s a deal for him. If his shoulder was good and Kotalik was headed the other way, of course you’d go that route.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
pogge, hey ? interesting…. that also seems lik a pretty one-sided trade.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
The Leafs certainly look like they backed the wrong horse in the Rask-Pogge sweepstakes.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
i don’t know about you guys, but i knew that the instant the trade was made. jfj was a total bum.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
it seems like such a long time ago now but the day that the rangers became my east coast team was the day that jfj traded kondratiev, immonen, and a draft pick (korpikoski) to NYR for a rental brian leetch. *guh.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
Sportsnet is so unreliable about this kind of thing that I don’t even bother. TSN is the gold standard, even though it’s painful to listen to Pierre.
James Duthie is gold though, after the gold medal game was over he was the only guy to bring up that Canada might have beat the US because they were, gasp, the better team.
the way mcguire says “sum’in” instead of “something” annoys the hell outta me.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
tsn is reporting the defense to look like this -
white – regehr
gio – jaybouw
pardy – sarich
so, here’s a serious question:
was brent playing sarich with jaybouw before the break to showcase him ??? it made no sense then, and if they’re reverting to these pairings NOW, i have to wonder…..
here’s what else annoys me: the panel on tsn are saying stajan isn’t a number one centre, but i’m sure would all agree that jokinen WAS a number one centre. i think it’s a debatable subject. i have always liked stajan, and i wonder if he doesn’t have it in him.
The proper answer is that neither are legit game-changers, at least for me. I don’t hate Stajan at all, but he’s a born number two if there ever was one.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
does that, then, make langkow dispensable ?
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
no no not today. i think we’re done with the big name player trades for today. langkow for a first ? ;)
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
Langkow has to be part of a player for player deal, IMO. The UFA market for this summer is not that good, unless you can get Marleau, and his dollars might be mental after some Thornton inflation of his boxcar numbers.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t forget the NTC. That is a formidable road block.
Go Flames Go
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
NMC, actually, which is even more limiting, although most guys will move if they get the right pressure.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
let me get this straight. guys with NTC/NMC on the flames are:
iggy
kipper
langks
bourque (presumeably)
… is that it ?
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
If you look up, you will see 2 more.
Jbouw, Kotalik and Reggie. Remove Bork.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
are you sure about bourque ? i can’t imagine him signing a six year deal without one (maybe it kicks in later). i forgot about jaybouw and kotalik, and didn’t realize reggie had one as well.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
It kicks in when the new contract does (July 1.) Same for Stajan.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
for a guy who once suggested that no trade clauses were for the most elite of players, he has sure penned a bunch (kotalik notwithstanding)
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
It could be argued that all 5 of those guys played well enough to warrant them.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
I was talking this year, and not including Kotalik.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
(12:06pm) Lots more chatter surrounding Oilers, expected to be very busy (Souray, Gilbert, Moreau, etc.)… Flames looking for depth forward… I think PIT may be done.
From The Fourth Period.
Seriously? Depth forward? We only have 16 of them. Christ.
Only eight more F to add for a full Red-White scrimmage. Make it happen, Darryl!
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
no effin’ chance we get another depth guy.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
if we get another depth guy today, i’m calling myself a sharks fan.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
heart wallin. and i’m the biggest dan boyle fan in canada.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
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I swear, thats the last threadjack. I got to go write a paper for class now. Out.
It’s ridiculous. I don’t doubt for a second that Wolski will want real dough this summer, but he’s a proper top sixer, and he, Stastny and Anderson have been keeping that outfit afloat in the face of some damned long odds. Peter Mueller is not much more than a lottery ticket at the moment.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I’d give the left nuts of half the guys on this team to get Wolski, I’m not sure why more GMS aren’t on it.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Wolski has the best Corsi on the team and starts more often in his own end. And he plays against quality competition. He’s probably the best forward on that team this year!
That is the most f’ed up deal.
Here’s hoping that the Avs crumble and the Yotes’ continue putting their stamp on trip to the second season.
Shit Happens.
Unless Kevin Porter is the best prospect EVVVVARRRRR, it’s completely mental.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
And if anyone’s wondering, he certainly isn’t.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
I just do not get this deal. What effect does this have on the team?
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Someone shoot Darryl Sutter. He could have thrown Backlund and spare forwards at Colorado, made the trade better FOR Colorado, and still have won the trade hands-down. Just insane.
maybe he wanted out ? it’s the only way it makes sense.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
Or somehow the Avs didn’t feel like paying him whatever raise he wanted and got something for him first.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
He’s RFA though, Wolski’s not in a great position to extract millions in extra money even though he is a great forward.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Then it makes even less sense. There is no intrest for an offer sheet, obvs, because if people wanted him then they would have given the Avs something better then Peter Mueller.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
You know those headaches where all you can do is pinch the bridge of your nose and wait the pain out?
This is what this trade between COL and PHX feels like.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
I can’t imagine what Greg Sherman is doing. That market could use a playoff round, and Wolski was RFA. They had all summer to goose the price for him. I can’t even describe how wrong that is in terms of asset management.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
It’s absolutely gobsmacking. Unless the guy is running around sleeping with other guys wives or something, this move makes zero, ZERO sense.
The new guy in PHX though (Maloney?) – that dude knows what he’s doing.
That makes sense because this trade is baloney!
I’m sorry. I’m going to sit in the corner now.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
If he was sleeping with other guys’ wives, I would have traded the other guys.
Look, if they wanted to tank, they could have moved their old UFA-to-be defencemen, while holding on to their useful, somewhat salary-controlled difference maker. Even if they missed the playoffs, I could respect it as the proper thing to do in the long term. This? No.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Kevin Porter makes this deal a tiny bit better, but is still terrible for the Avs right now but they want to continue this youth movement so I guess they did for that reason.
Shit Happens.
Mueller has a good chance of being completely useless. Wolski has a good chance of bringing them more than one playoff round.
Just on the balance of probabilities Colorado lost this big time. Even if they lose Wolski for nothing after arbitration.
Man, its a busy day at work for me…you guys are breezing through this chat lightning fast…
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
i prefer it over here with the liveupdating.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
I’m really starting to like the Coyotes make up for years to come. Be it in Phoenix, Winnipeg, Hamilton or the North Pole.
Shit Happens.
they got significantly better last year on this day, and they look to be doing the same today. plus they get a sweet first rounder next year.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
WEEI Boston Radio Station says they got a rumor which sent.
To Boston
G Jose Theodore
F Tomas Fleischmann
To Washington
G Tim Thomas
Take that with a grain of salt.
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AHAHAHAHAHAH
GM GM would have to be a complete moron to take that. Theodore is in a contract year, and Fleischmann is a good all around center. There is no reason for them to take a 36 year old who makes 2-3 million too much.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
If George McPhee made that deal, Ted Leonsis should tie him down in the middle of the Capital Beltway and let nature take it’s course.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Come on Draft Pick!
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
That’s how they practiced yesterday as well. Those guys were on the fifth line. Apparently, Jamal Mayers and Eric Nystrom are better than Dawes and Boyd in the face of actual evidence. Sigh.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Conroy is probably ahead of all of them too.
If the Conroy line faced the Nystrom line, they’d probably beat their heads in.
Mayers!?!?!?! WTF is this garbage how does he draw into the lineup when EVERYONE is healthy. I guess he’s fast and fights. He also blows at hockey
But he has great eyebrows.
^^
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Relative to others of his ilk, I suppose he is.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
His ilk is “guys who suck”.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone else ready to punch the person
that created those ally bank commercials?
Jeff Halpern to the Kings.
Give’s them again leadership and toughness for the Playoffs something they didn’t really have a whole lot of.
Shit Happens.
McE moving? I’m at work in the ’Peg, so fill me in, Cowtowners.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Not that I actually think this will happen, but I would have zero complaints about a McE+Kotalik for Harding deal.
Seems more likley. Boyd’s scratched, and we need a back up.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
nope. seems more likely that we’d deal two and get a pick and a goalie, IMO.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe for the future, but unless Sutter plans to start Kipper every game, we need a backup that won’t count as an instant loss.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
i bet it’s boyd and cumac for harding. and it makes me effin’ sad. i hope boyder pulls a lombo.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
No chance. Darryl has some strange ideas, but even he won’t go the last 20 games with those dudes.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
They did just trade their back-up. I wouldn’t want him, but who knows?
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
actually, it’s not so bad since his contract expires this year. it’s a step up from backelhinney.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
But if they get Toskalol, then he is going to play. I just said something about instant loss, then Daz pulls this? Listen, Daz, Listen!
And we are one step closer to the Calgary Flaming Leafs.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
fuck you
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
SNet is shit. If Toskala is a flame….ohhh boy.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
tsn is sayin’ it now. i actually think you could go to war with that duo, presuming kippy is the obvious starter and toskala might only play 2 games.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Two, maimster. Vancouver-Detroit on the 14/15th and Boston-Washington on the 27/28th. If he plays more than those tow games, I’d be shocked.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Good Lord, that’s incredibly bad. Go Coyotes.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Like .898 bad, right? He’s terrible, straight up. The only benefit is that McE’s contract for next year is gone.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Oh. Ok. I was under the impression that Boyd was in it too.
This is a good trade.
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looks like goalie for goalie. we get the better deal, they get cap space for this year.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Oh god, we are now the Toronto Maple Leafs.
by Keith M on Mar 3, 2010 11:09 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
It can’t hurt. Toskala has shown some life and he’s much better the CuMac.
Can’t complain. I still think their might be one more deal.
Shit Happens.
franklin points out that kippy and toskala are friends…. we know how much noodles has helped ol’ miikka, so i guess this is probably a good deal.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
The Toskala most ppl remember from the Sharks is certainly not the one we just got. I say this as a current Torontonian…
realisitcally he isn’t needed for more than a couple starts.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
how about the fact that three weeks ago toskala, stajan, hagman, mayers, and white were all on the worst team in the NHL.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Don’t start. That just makes me think we’re going to finish in 11th.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Which may not be that bad if we had a 1st rounder.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Well, at least Toskala’s more experienced. He’ll open the bench door much faster, and make our line changes cleaner.
by R O on Mar 3, 2010 11:12 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
That’s why I think something still has to drop. Daz wants picks and Boyd can get him a 2nd maybe.
Shit Happens.
boyd will get a 2nd come june also. no point in dealing him today, IMO.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
We can still take on about 5 million in salary pro-rated as it is now.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I lied. CG has it at 9 mil pro-rated.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
This trade was strictly made because of the type of month we have ahead of us. The Isles are the worst team and they’re only 6 Points out of a playoff spot.
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Oh my god you guys swapped a backup goalie making $500K for a goalie with worse stats making $4M.
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in fairness, the team had zero faith in backelhinney.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Your team will lose faith in Toskala they first time they practice with him.
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/cough Chris Higgins
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Elliotte Friedman on Twitter a few minutes ago:
Were the Maple Leafs blacked out in Calgary this year?
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 11:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
PPP and I would be delighted to write about your new goaltender for you.
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i’m not sure why nobody seems to understand that toskala is coming in as a bonafide BACKUP. realistically, he should get 2 maybe 3 starts.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
McElhinney was your starter?
McElhinney has considerably better numbers than Toskala.
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He also has 2 career wins.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Not at EV, Chemmy. Hard as it is to believe, McBackup had a cool .874 EVSV%, which pales in comparison to Vesa’s stunning .898.
Oy.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Do not ever ever ever ever take a penalty with Toskala on the ice.
If you do put your four best forwards out and pray to god the other team can’t get the puck.
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McElhinney is great if the opposition takes a straight, weak shot. The second you get him moving laterally, he’s swimming in white paint while the opposition is scoring into an empty net.
Toskala lets in straight weak shots.
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Toskala has more then 2 career wins.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
so does cumac. so at worst we’re the same.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I thought he had 2? Is it 3?
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
I think we know enough, Chemmy, but I do appreciate the generous offer ;-)
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
i should add, chemmy, how did dion play last night ? ;) one huge hit taking himself WAAAAY off the play, and a couple of non-engaging stick maneuvers that led to goals ?
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
HIGH AND WIDE
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
i actually watched the game last night online to see how dion’s settling in. it’s same-old same-old. leaf fans will surely say that the whole team is bad, leading to dion looking bad, but those coloured glasses should change in the next year or so.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I’d rather have Dion than four years of Matt Stajan.
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He is.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
yes. most definitely. this is the part that makes it a good trade for calgary.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
This is a horrible trade and I have no idea why Calgary would do it.
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Trust us. Daz is even weirder then Burke when it comes to his players.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
He is a UFA, but you’re really only saving $500K for next year which is what McElhinney’s contract was.
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525K, correct. It doesn’t hold a salary slot.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 3, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
I’m reading about a Kaberle to Canucks trade. I hope they would give up somebody good, like Raymond? Kaberle’s a weakling and costs a fortune and it would delight me to see him score soft points on the PP while Kesler’s getting his head beat in from having to play with Samuelsson and Wellwood.
if kaberle goes to vancouver, they will win the cup.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Willie Mitchell would plan the parade, at least, but Vancouver doesn’t have a prayer against Chicago.
willie mitchell’s on the shelf till next year. trust me on this. i just know.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I would love to bash Kesler’s head in.
Oh, that’s not what you meant? Eh, I’d do it anyways.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Which, at this point, he may not have any trouble getting. There has been a considerable falling out between Van and CH.
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
they’re making a spot for clitsome !!!!
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol & rec’d
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by Justin Azevedo on Mar 3, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
The thing with Toskala, is that his baseline ability is so low that even if he “gets hot” it will be to the tune of NHL average, at best.
The same could be true of McElhinney although we don’t really know his baseline ability. His history in the AHL suggests that he might be a better goalie than his brief NHL appearances imply. But, the reality is his game involves a lot of losing his own net and that just won’t do.
Either way we’re fucked with either of these guys backstopping us into the playoffs if Kipper went down. This is a sideways move, and I really would prefer to have Biron. But, meh, he’s off the books next season and with average luck he will not see the nets in Calgary. This ain’t Kotalik (my balls) for two more years at $3M.
i would suggest that it’s a change-of-scenery deal. the team needs a guy they can trust and it ain’t backelhinney. end of story.
by walkinvisible on Mar 3, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
You have five NHL contracts sitting upstairs. Daz has to be making another deal.
Another trade
To Atlanta
F Clarke MacArthur
To Buffalo
3rd & 4th RD Pick
Shit Happens.
A lot of stuff actually gets reported after the deadline. The Joker deal wasn’t offical till 3pm MST last year.
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