Flames vs. Senators Game Thread
Ottawa Senators at Calgary Flames, Mar 11, 2010 6:30 PM PST
The first line finally appears to be a collection worthy of the name. As Kent noted when he posted the scoring chances, Bourque, Stajan and Iginla held their own against Pavel Datsyuk's line. That's not to be sneezed at, since that trio for the Wings is a difficult proposition to manage under normal circumstances, so kudos. They had Detroit's best on the run in the third, and that smart bit of coaching by Sutter to get them on the ice out of rotation caught the Wings, with Bourque's goal resulting from an over-matched Darren Helm being stuck in a situation he couldn't handle. Plenty of people picked up on that moment as a game key, and it surely was an obvious one.
The thing that no one is talking about is the manner that Daymond Langkow and his mates rendered Henrik Zetterberg's line largely impotent. The other star Detroit center was +2/-5 in terms of EV scoring chances, with most of his ice time matched against the Flames' second unit. Langkow and the hard-luck Christopher Higgins each scored as well, so it was a night well spent by that trio. As I mentioned Tuesday, Langkow and that line might not throw big scoring numbers around, but they do seem to have the appearance of a group that can suppress the offence of the opposition's skill players.
The Flames' bottom end got in on that act, allowing almost nothing at all to Detroit's lower orders. Craig Conroy did have a couple of absolutely egregious passes to the opposition, but that was mixed in with a night of general goodness, and Niklas Hagman looked like he should against bottom-sixers, as in a notch above them.
The defence managed as well, with the dominance of the forwards permitting them a pretty comfortable third period. Steve Staios has been, er , high event, at least to this point. One can only hope that it's just over-exuberance in his new surroundings. He and Jay Bouwmeester saw the Datsyuk line quite a bit, which allowed Regehr and White to boss their minutes efficiently. Those two guys can likely play second minutes well enough, so maybe it's Firewagon Steve and JB against the toughs, at least for now.
Miikka Kiprusoff was good through two periods, and well-rested in the third, so he'll go tonight. His fine save off Holmstrom to start the third left the Flames in range, and they rewarded the Finn by keeping the puck at the other end of the rink thereafter. I'm not sure when Toskala goes again. The B2B coming up would normally be a good spot, but against Vancouver and Detroit? Hmm.
The Senators had the measure of Calgary a month ago, winning 3-2 on a Jason Spezza goal late in the second. Ottawa was in the midst of a lengthy run at that time, although they've returned to earth a bit since, and they were certainly hindered by a nasty bug that left them in such a bad way that they couldn't even beat the Maple Leafs over the weekend. They were good enough to beat the AHL types up Highway 2 on Tuesday 4-1, so it does appear they're getting over the flu. The Sens weren't ready to go to the playoffs unbolstered, adding Matt Cullen and Andy Sutton to their line-up, and the Cullen move does give them proper depth down the middle with Spezza, Fisher and Kelly joining the ex-Cane in a nice set of four. They'll miss Filip Kuba, who is out day to day on the backline, but even if he was healthy, Anton Volchenkov and Chris Phillips would likely match with the Iginla line. Brian Elliot will start in goal.
The Sens appear to run P v P, which suggests that Matt Stajan will need to be solid again, but with last change I do wonder if Langkow might not get that job this evening, leaving Iggy's line to go against Mike Fisher. The Senators have out-shot their opposition fairly handily 5 v 5 this season, so the fact that they don't out-score them is likely down to meh goaltending. Elliot is sporting a .907 EVSV%. He does seem to stop pucks on the PK, and Ottawa has benefited from that to post a good PK%. Their PP is the part of the game where Kuba's absence will show most, with the Sens near the bottom of the league by percentage. One final note I'd make is that Ottawa has built their good overall record on the back of smacking teams at Scotiabank Place. They've done as well away as the Flames have done at home, so it should be a match of equals in that regard, I suppose. The game in Kanata was one where the Flames appeared to run out of energy and ideas as it progressed, so if Tuesday is really the new normal, that shouldn't be an issue tonight.
Game time is 7:30 MT on Sportsnet West.
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Have a good feeling about tonight’s game but the Flames can’t get a way from what they have done the last three games.
1. Get shots at the net, There is no such thing as a bad shot on goal. Brian Elliott can be shaky if he’s busy.
2. Stay out of the Penalty Box even if the Sens PP is operating at 16% (26th)
3. 12-18-17 Have been hot 7G, 11A in the 3 Game winning streak – This must continue.
4. Get the crowd into the game.
Lineup stays unchanged. Over under on how many times Mayers drops the gloves with Neil. I’ll set the bar at 2.
What you see is, What you get.
GO FLAMES GO!!!
Minnesota is in shambles. Now we need San Jose to help us out later on tonight.
What you see is, What you get.
GO FLAMES GO!!!
No doubt. the Sharks don’t scare me much, but we need the sixth seed to ensure we avoid Chicago.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 6:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sens fans remind me of childish Leafs fans. Not in a bad way, mind you, they are trying to have fun like Leaf fans do, but were banging on the glass during warm up and begging for pucks… Adults! Lol.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 6:23 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Well, to think, Ottawa fans were all Toronto fans prior to 1991 or whenever it was the Sens came to be. We all know how retarded Leafs fans are- just browse through the PPP forums and your IQ will drop by about 20 points. Now consider a Sens fan- they are like the retarded younger brother of Leaf Nation. It isn’t a pretty picture to say the least.
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 11, 2010 6:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No rush. The flames can’t find a pane of glass that fist the spot Spezza broke. At least ten more minutes to puck drop.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 6:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No rush. The flames can’t find a pane of glass that fist the spot Spezza broke. At least ten more minutes to puck drop.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 6:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
As someone who lives in Ottawa
I can give you the general fan stylings in Ottawa. The average Ottawa fan:
-Tends to leave games early, regardless of how close it is, winning or losing… or even tied.
-Are a very reserved home crowd, which is partialyl due to this being a government town first.
-Are very fairweather… i.e. if they win 3 in a row they are going to the cup, they lose a couple in a row and they suck and want to burn the team to the ground.
-They have become decently competent fans of the game itself, though they are still not quite there at the level of the more experienced fans.
-They HATE the Leafs yet seem to be moderate on the Canadiens… very odd how that works.
Do you think they leave early because of where the building is? When I was driving through Ottawa last summer, I couldn’t believe how long it took me to get from the arena into city centre!
As for hating the Leafs but not the Canadiens, that seems to be true wherever you go. The Leafs are universally hated, and the Canadiens are, in my experience, universally respected.
The location for the building is not the worst part
That abomination of a parking lot is the worst part. It is bad, and definitely plays a large part in the leave early mentality. Still, I live on the south side of Ottawa and I can get out of the game and home in 20-30 minutes, so it is not that bad that they need to have a 25-50% exodus with 5-10 minutes left (some nights)..
Sounds like Canucks fans. The Sens have an inferiority complex because they don’t have a ‘true rivalry’ with the Leafs-Habs. Nucks are the same, as they can never measure up to the Battle of Alberta. Nobody tends to take the Nucks and Sens too seriously in the grand scheme of things
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 11, 2010 6:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Leafs vs Sens rivalry
it was red-hot pre-lockout, but Leafs have been too bad for it to truly matter the left half dozen years. Sens-Sabres are the biggest rivalry they have right now from what I can see, and then Philly is the second biggest rival.
Good feed here: http://www.justin.tv/vip__tv#r=a0RzDFg~
Sweet
I get to watch a Flames game on TV tonight, and I don’t mind Dean Brown, so this should be a win-win.
So I don't have to watch the feed
is my point (for once).
Backlund a scratch again. You aren’t going to play the f**king kid, send him back down for Christ sake.
No doubt. Watching the game isn’t player development.
Oh, and it’s obvious John Shannon doesn’t read wi’s blog, because he just mentioned the commercials stuff again.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 11, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Great point by the sportsnet crew. Iginla playing like shit before the olympics due to shooting too many commericals
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 11, 2010 6:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
wait a second… did they fucking say that AGAIN !!?!?
by walkinvisible on Mar 11, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
it’s offiicial…. somebody find me john shannon’s g**d*** email address.
by walkinvisible on Mar 11, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
Pane number three looking good. This game might happen yet!
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 6:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions
The Sportsnet guys here
are mocking the crap out of the work crews in Calgary right now… best line was “They got that piece of glass off the front of the nearby Zellers”.
Things are bad when Sportsnet disses you
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 11, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yup. That discussion about the Wild having a poor year, I just don’t know. I don’t doubt that Minnesota wanted more out of Havlat, but you think a professional commentator might mention that the Wild had a top-sixer (Bouchard) miss all but one game this season.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 11, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
Q: how many flames maintenance workers does it take to change a pane of glass?
A: TEN!
Fail, lol
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 7:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Tried to gift them TWO goals already
come on now Flames!
Volchenkov has blocked 1000 shots in his career
Imagine if he got to face the Flames regularly?
Well fuck me gently. Jamal Mayers proving the critics wrong
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 11, 2010 7:16 PM PST reply actions
I like logging in at work and seeing the flames win!
Supporting my teams from 6000 miles away!
HOWL! LETS GO COYOTES!!
BURN! GO FLAMES GO!!
We should be down 3-0 already. This is one pitiful effort so far.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 7:22 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Whats the video review on?
Supporting my teams from 6000 miles away!
HOWL! LETS GO COYOTES!!
BURN! GO FLAMES GO!!
Hit with a high stick. No goal after the review.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 11, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
No goal flames or sens?
Don’t have any TV or Radio feed I can access at work here in NZ
Supporting my teams from 6000 miles away!
HOWL! LETS GO COYOTES!!
BURN! GO FLAMES GO!!
Cheers :). I’ve got the NHL.com live scoreboard up but thats it, other than that I rely on these forums till I get home haha
Supporting my teams from 6000 miles away!
HOWL! LETS GO COYOTES!!
BURN! GO FLAMES GO!!
It looked like a goal to me
glad they called no goal initially, inconclusive likely saved the Flames there.
Ignore Nystrom getting held twice, then call that. sigh
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 7:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions
So next year the retro jersey is the third but in the edge cut…we get it half right at least. I’m just glad my fiance got me the one in a real hockey jersey cut
Supporting my teams from 6000 miles away!
HOWL! LETS GO COYOTES!!
BURN! GO FLAMES GO!!
i’ve been assured it will also come in a ladies’ cut.
by walkinvisible on Mar 11, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
We’re definitely cashing in some of the luck we are owed on this one. Though the Sens gave some back with that pitiful dive.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 7:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
CGY -2. Lots of blocked shots. Ottawa had 2 EV shots on 13 attempts. Kinda Flames-like, isn’t it?
EV shots 4-2 CGY.
Turn in your blogger card at the door, sir.That’s beyond the pale ;-)
by Robert Cleave on Mar 11, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
I’d say he was reading you, but, uh, no, that’s not likely.
And not because of any failing on your part.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 11, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Whoever the d-man was who made that terrible pass up the middle was the guilty party more than 24.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 11, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
Another phantom penalty in Ottawa’s favour.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 8:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That block really hurt Nystrom. Straight to the dressing room.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 8:11 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Back on the bench, Res. Must have walked it off down the hall.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 11, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Amazing given how he left the ice.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 8:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Flames sound like they are doing a lot better on the Radio then you guys think here. Which Is fine. I believe you guys. Also:
JAMAL MAYERS!!! wow, haha
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
Corsi -14, so -12 in about half a period.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 11, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
The radio lies. The flames are not playing well, the sens aren’t really playing well either but still.
Oh. Well, that’s good.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 11, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
It helps that they are out-stupiding us so far.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 8:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
A red and blue Oreo? That sounds awful.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 11, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
no seriously. that was a really white dude as the creamy centre.
by walkinvisible on Mar 11, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Ah. That works a little better.
(Thats not racist, right?)
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 11, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
If Jokinen was still around, it would be the ‘Irony’ line. Bourque is of Metis heritage, Iggy obviously has Nigerian blood, and Olli was a likely skinhead with Aryan features
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 11, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
“Iggy obviously has Nigerian blood” i honestly read this as “Olli obviously has Nigerian blood” which i thought was effin’ hilarious.
by walkinvisible on Mar 11, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
The Sex Panther is the one behind all those internet scams! It all makes sense!
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 11, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Sens slash the stick right out of our hands to prevent a scoring chance, no call.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 8:23 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That looked a little dicey… Not a big fan of Alfredsson being in the faceoff dot with puck and
no flame within 15 feet of him.
Good thing he decided to try and put it around Kipper then pass or MOVE HIS FEET
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 11, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Kotalik plays like a million bucks.
Which is nice, since he makes 3 times that.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 11, 2010 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair to him Kotalik can be an effective player if the coach uses him correctly… Butter just isn’t. Hagman or Moss outta be in his spot.
“less defective” is probably more appropriate.
I noticed Butter is going for the softer matchup for Iginla tonight, meaning Spezza for Langkow.
That just happened, Kent. Spezza was out against Iggy’s line earlier.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 11, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
The Stache gives him mutant healing powers.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 11, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
I was literally just typing that.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 11, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
They both should have gone. Slashing and unsportsmanlike.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 8:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not defending Bork, but alfredsson should not be rewarded for flopping.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 8:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Fucking hell. The sens dive more than an Italian soccer club.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 8:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Not sure if you guys saw this, but the Flames are keeping the retro jersey for next year.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
Iggy still +5. Second line getting slaughtered.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 8:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Someone in the locker room needs to give the 1st line a kick in the ass. They’re not making things happen like they have the last three nights.
White & Gio look good to my eye tonight.
They may not be making anything happen, but they are all in the black in terms of Corsi and Fenwick.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 11, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Lol. Just saw Boyd get a cheapie against San Jose.
Sharks look terrible too.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 8:53 PM PST via mobile reply actions
“Eh, whatever. We pay Bouwmeester 6 mil a year to stop those guys.”
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 11, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Gio may have deserved that one, though.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 11, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
That was damn close to being the best PP goal of the season… by a lot.
He was only on there for the last 20 seconds, to be fair.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 11, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
That looked like that hit Kipper’s pad from the overhead.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
Ottawa is looking like they are the more desperate team in the third period, which certainly shouldn’t be the case. Come on Flames, kick it up a notch.
I never thought I’d say this, but… big play by Mayers there.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
So was Loubardias saying there that the goal is owed to Higgins’ confidence from scoring into an empty net from his own end the other night? Saying it emphatically?
Yup.
Look, I played enough hoops to be familiar with the theory that sometimes you need a chippie or two to get your jump shot going, but, uh, no, I’m not buying.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 11, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
Period.
Go Flames Go
Goals? Where we're going, we don't need goals.
by Justin Azevedo on Mar 11, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Both goals come after getting dominated for several shifts. I think we all know Ottawa’s frustration.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 9:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Nice play by iggy to recognize he couldn’t get control and just get it out of the zone by kicking it.
Don’t think he did that on purpose myself.
by Resolute on Mar 11, 2010 9:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Steinberg has a note on the Backlund thing over at FN:
I had it explained to me today, it makes a litle more sense. Once the deadline passes, you get just 4 recalls. Once you use those up, you can only make emergency recalls, which are apparently tough to get. So, the Flames don’t want to send him down, call him in a week and waste a recall.
So, I guess sort of makes sense.
Still doesn’t make sense to me.
Even if they wanted to trade Boyd, I’m sure they knew that right after the Olympics. They could have left him down and saved that second recall until they actually needed him, which might be never if the team stays healthy.Post-facto justification, IMO.
by Robert Cleave on Mar 11, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
mikeH suggests we call it the bad bourque penalty™ but that would confuse it with the other BBP™
by walkinvisible on Mar 11, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Holy crap! Toskala looks aces in his Flames cap. And will through all four rounds of the playoffs, as Staios leads the way.
New game – count how many times Charlie Simmer mentions “feet moving” in every broadcast. Maybe donate a nickle for each instance to whatever disaster is fashionable at the end of the season.
CGY -18, -11 in the period. Blocked 23 shots at EV. Like I said, Avalanche-esque.
EV shots 29-22 OTT, 17-7 in the third.
Win’s a win, I guess. I can only hope that it was just a short term case of the blahs.
I only saw portions of the second half, but I’ve always believed that good teams win games that they don’t deserve. Usually because good teams have good goalies, but they also have to have groups that can come up with “timely” scoring, and it was a little more forward depth that did it for them tonight.
Like the two in the first couple minutes and that beautiful crossbar. Haunting stuff. Then again, that’s exactly what the Flames had been doing for a month straight prior to the Olympics.
by SmellOfVictory on Mar 11, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
I think Calgary has a chance at the cup, and it’s all because of Ian White. Reason being, his moustache is the most epic I can remember on a Flame since Lanny McDonald, and we all know what happened with Lanny.
We better re-sign White then.. because Lanny’s moustache didn’t pay off for the flames until his final year in the NHL…
8 years in fact…
damn those long term contracts other teams were signing dudes to suddenly make sense.
can bourque grow a moustache ? we all know gio could.
by walkinvisible on Mar 11, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Gio can’t technically grow a moustache, because the rest of his face will not allow any of his facial hairs to be longer than the others. Were he to shave with the intent to keep a moustache, his cheeks and chin would destroy any razor that touched them.
by SmellOfVictory on Mar 11, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
according to SoV, gio’s facial hair is made up of chuck norris. ;)
by walkinvisible on Mar 11, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Haha. His facial hair can cure blindness, I’ve heard.
by SmellOfVictory on Mar 12, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
Definitely. I’m just saying, he is the key. And perhaps his moustache will work at a greater pace than Lanny’s, as the entity that is The Calgary Flames is now aware of the power held within such facial hair.
by SmellOfVictory on Mar 11, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
admittedly, moustaches were a dime a dozen back in the ‘80s…. lanny just had the ultimate one.
nowadays, the best one is white’s, even if it IS the only one.
by walkinvisible on Mar 11, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
This is starting to sound a lot like the Highlander movie. =D
by SmellOfVictory on Mar 11, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
SJ was leading by one with about eight minutes to go, but Nashville’s tied it up with about five left. Come on, SJ!
that’s outrageous !!! you gotta give it to nashville for the effort…..
by walkinvisible on Mar 11, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
this is very fortunate for a lot of people i know…. and very sad for one little family in smashville.
by walkinvisible on Mar 11, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
What you see is, What you get.
GO FLAMES GO!!!
Guys, a little restraint should be in order here. There is no reason to start planning Stanley Cup parades. I understand that White has impressed everyone with his moustache, but remember that Maple Leaf fans all anticipated White’s facial hair alone would exorcise the demons of 1967 in Toronto. After reading the comments involving ‘moustaches’ and ‘recs,’ we must realize that if this pace keeps up, we will be no better than PPP and the legions of arrogant, undereducated Toronto blog commenters. Until White’s moustache grows considerably bushier in which it will actually be comparable to Lanny’s, there is no reason to get too excited.
by Rod Blogojevich on Mar 11, 2010 10:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions
No no… it’s the modern era, no one will ever reach the moustache of Lanny in the modern era, in the same way that no one will ever achieve the offensive accomplishments of Wayne.
In the modern era, a moustache explosion attracts too much attention, and pretty soon style consultants and bar women are coming out of the woodwork, putting extra pressure on the player to trim / cut / etc. Thus no moustache will ever grow to be a Lanny in the modern era.

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