Random thoughts from the Carolina game
So as luck would have it I got to go to the game tonight. This is what I saw during the game that impressed me about our new look Flames and some things that could use some work. Feel free to disagree or agree or just rage on me for thinking these things.
Also on a funny note I wore my Phaneuf jersey with white stick tape over Phaneuf saying "WHITE" and white stick tape below the number saying "I GO TO TORONTO" Dion Phaneuf.
Higgins is strong on the boards at one point I remember him sheltering the puck (third period) from 3 canes on the half boards. The finish is just not quite there for him but it could come. Nothing overly special on the PK just good and solid.
Kotalik has a rocket even from a snapshot, stupid decision making with puck on the point for PP I remember him driving the puck into the shins of a Cane in the first period. That being said he kept the puck lowish on his shots. Strong guy but a little timid deep in the O zone, actually not totally inept playing defense as his one penalty was on the breakout.
Stajan had two great scoring chances one of which he scored on (a beauty of a move that had skill writen all over it) the other was on a Iginla rebound and Ward made a great save. Not too noticeable other than that, also from afar has some chemistry with Iginla.
Hagman had a meh game I didn't notice too much of him but if that line stays together my guess is that we will only notice two or the three in any game.
White had a great shot block after taking a penalty I noticed he doesn't take the body but plays positioning mostly. Nothing special from him the corsi number for him that came up in the game thread was surprising I would like to know who played in front of him. My personal thought is he is not re-signed this summer and D. Sutter would gladly let him sign with a other team as a RFA and take the picks. BTW if he signs for what he wants elsewhere the Flames get a 1st and 3rd (3.5 million) which makes the Phaneuf trade better in my opinion.
Mayers has wheels had a good fight but he plays a competent game.
I thought J-bouw and Regehr had a good to great game on the 5 on 3 late in the first they where out for the the last 1:30 of the period. Also at the end of the game I noticed they played together at a increasing rate, perhaps a sign of things to come or just making sure we shut Stall down?
Gio had a great hit. Sarich took what like 8 minutes worth of penalties. On the penalty subject that was borderline BS how many we got. It is downright amazing we outshot them with the lopsided penalties.
I loved the 3Bs line!!! great offense capable D as I only noticed once where they really got caught in their own zone for an extended period of time.
Let me know what you thought. Oh and sorry for the long windedness of the post.
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My personal thought is he is not re-signed this summer and D. Sutter would gladly let him sign with a other team as a RFA and take the picks. BTW if he signs for what he wants elsewhere the Flames get a 1st and 3rd (3.5 million) which makes the Phaneuf trade better in my opinion.
Good point on this. I think I was in the minority but I thought White was a throw-in and there are better options for defense, internally and externally.
But I complete forgot that he’s an RFA and with proper icetime management Sutter can move him for a roster player or open him up to an offer sheet and picks back. Not that I like picks that much but considering the main piece of that trade (imo) was Hagman and cap space, not a bad bonus to get to milk White as well.
by R O on Feb 4, 2010 8:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point, and I think we all lost sight of this fact in all the hullabaloo. Either way this could be a win-win for the Flames: White signs for less than he wants and stays (that’s OK – he’s a decent player), or signs for the $$ elsewhere and we get the picks (whatever that brings, but I always feel better when we can at least take part in the draft). What do we get if he signs for less than 3.5?
BTW, Is there still an angry mob in Calgary ready to lynch Sutter, or has the anger subsided a little?
by rich snake on Feb 4, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The win compelled the masses to put the pitchforks away for a couple days. I’m still fighting mad about Kotalik, personally, but I can’t deny that practically everybody on the Flames had a good game last night.
by R O on Feb 4, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here are last year’s numbers:
Offer Sheet (AAV)
$994,433 or below
None (compensation)
$994,433 to $1,506,717
3rd Round Pick
$1,506,718 to $3,013,433
2nd Round Pick
$3,013,434 to $4,520,150
1st, 3rd
$4,520,151 to $6,026,867
1st, 2nd, 3rd
$6,026,868 to $7,533,584
(2) 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Over
$7,533,585 – and up
(4) 1st Round Picks
This off-season’s numbers should be similar I think because the salary cap isn’t expected ti rise (these numbers are based on league average salaries I believe)
by Beantown Canuck on Feb 4, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the numbers, BC. If White gets an offer north of that 3.013 million number, I’d let him walk. The UFA market for defencemen looks a lot deeper than it does for forwards, and you’ll be able to find a functional player for that sort of money, plus get two picks out of the deal.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 4, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Robert/RO/Kent:
Who do you guys like in the UFA Defense crop this summer?
http://capgeek.com/contracts.php?Year=2010&Team=All&Position=D&FAType=2&FilterButton=APPLY+FILTER
Seidenburg, Michaelik, Hamuis, Zidlicky, Volchenkov seem OK
by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 4, 2010 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hamhuis is easily my number one but would the Preds let him walk? With him to go along with Suter and Weber that’s a strong top 3 Defensively.
Somebody needs to turn down the heat in the Darryl Sutter's home.
by CofRed on Feb 4, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zbynek Michalek a hard minutes killer. He doesn’t bring sexy offence, but that dude is straight quality. Lets put it this way; he’s made Ed Jovanovski look like a top pairing stud. If Phoenix lowballs him, I’d be all over him like dirty for anything in the Kommisarek contract range.
Hamhuis and Volchenkov are good top 4 guys as well. Seidenberg is a soft minute dude who could be useful if he’s not getting any more than 2-2,5 mil. Zidlicky is good if you want a PP specialist, but of all the Dmen that have shipped out of Nashville, they miss Z a lot less than they miss Greg Zanon.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 4, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ya i remember trotz sounded so deflated when they cut zanon loose. Nashville should keep Hamuis to babysit Ellis next year, but they never spend $$$$$$ so who knows…..
by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 4, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I love Michalek, I’d be happy with him in place of White in our top 4.
by maimster on Feb 4, 2010 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No way PHX lowballs Michalek. They have to know how valuable that guy is to the team.
IF that happens, you’re right though – he’s priority #1 if Calgary needs a UFA defender.
by Kent Wilson on Feb 4, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt they will, either. He’s likely the best guy out there, including those very famous names at the top of the current UFA salary scale, like Lidstrom and Niedermayer.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 4, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we need a good D, Hamhuis and Michalek are the man(s).
Although after clearing the financial logjam at D it would be stupid for Sutter pay antoher $4M+ on anybody. Unless he trades Sarich or Regehr away (it’s painful to type that).
by R O on Feb 4, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beantown, thanks! Good to see you aren’t coming here to be a cheeseball! Your reputation here has taken a positive leap! Ha ha ha
by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 4, 2010 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. Beating Carolina officially counts as a win in my book. They’re actually an ok team.
by Beantown Canuck on Feb 4, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Externally, yes. Internally? Not so sure about that.
by Kent Wilson on Feb 4, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gio probably is a better defenceman. Both play soft minutes, I think White’s are softer and yet Gio’s killing his more. As much as I take away from #5, I have to give when the giving’s good.
by R O on Feb 4, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh, you meant for the minutes he’s playing and not just “in general”. fair enough.
by Kent Wilson on Feb 4, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s some good RFAs too hey? Erik Johnson, Garbagekov, Wisniewski, White, Hjalmarsson, Staal, Coburn, Letang, Parent, Ranger………
by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 4, 2010 9:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I expect all of them to Re-up. Including White still has room to grow as he is are only true young defender (Outside of Pards). We already let one fish go don’t want to lose this one.
And he won’t be that expensive in the end.
Somebody needs to turn down the heat in the Darryl Sutter's home.
by CofRed on Feb 4, 2010 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you are ok with letting him walk it means you would more than likely get a cheaper player. Something like 2 million/year vs. 3.5 a year.
by canadiancolts on Feb 4, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not so worried about getting a tough minute D. We already have JayBouw who is completely healthy AFAIK and one of Regehr or Sarich will probably suffice as a #2 even if they both have THE injury (a theory to which I completely subscribe). The rest… well as long as they’re cheap and aren’t Eriksson types, they’ll do.
The cap space has to be spent on forwards, good ones, difference makers hopefully. Frolov for $5.5 let’s say, or swing a Kipper-for-Richards or Kipper-for-Nash deal (both unrealistic but this is the tier of player I am looking for) and then chase a lower-end-but-above-average goalie.
by R O on Feb 4, 2010 9:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can see the Flames rocking a tandem of Biron and random-decent-backup-goalie if Kipper gets traded. Which we all know won’t happen since Sutter is clearly sane.
On a side note, I’m not sure why everyone seems to be hating on White- he’s pretty damn good. Look at PPP’s farewell to him. Granted, this is among Leafs players, but still, not bad stats.
by ArikJames on Feb 4, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Check out White’s proportion of OFF zone starts. That was accumulated in Toronto, so it’s useful to see how every other D shook out there.
He and Kaberle were BFFs, both of whom I expect were getting the pump-n-dump treatment. White has already been dumped (not that I really object, Hagman by all accounts is quality and the remaining cap space can be reallocated properly) and Kaberle will be next, book it.
I dind’t know this when I first heard we got White. But he’s an “underrated offensive defenseman”, so I suspected. This class of player is usually given favorable circumstances because they can’t handle defending stars. Plus it’s probably the case that they have good offensive instincts so their coaches put them in positions to help the team in that fashion, even though they are deficient at the south end of the rink.
They end up looking like world-beaters, and since they are usually nobodies to begin with, they gain the underrated moniker to boot. But the guys accumulating the minuses for him are probably contributing the most to winning games, at the end of the day.
by R O on Feb 4, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who could we pick up as a lower-end-but-above-average goalie to be our #1? Halak?
by Avalain on Feb 5, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably a tandem would work better, C. Mason, Ellis, Harding, Halak, Emery, etc. Maybe if the firesale continues in ATL you could pick up Lehtonen, he has an injury history but is effective.
Now this would be contingent on getting two of these goalies but it was a buyer’s market last offseason and I believe the indication is it will be the same this season.
Caveat: goal is not really the position you want to fuck around with. But that’s why I’m proposing a Kipper trade, because the Flames are very much at risk in the nets because Kipper is getting older and is signed long-term to an expensive cap hit and two of his last three seasons have been crap. Acceptable levels of risk vary but I sure don’t want Kipper to pull a Salo next season or the one after, because he’s pulled off two Salo seasons so far.
by R O on Feb 5, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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