The Seventh Defenseman
I'm sure a lot of people have scratched their heads a few times after the first three Canadian Olympic games, second guessing Steve Yzerman's selections on defense. But there is one thing that I am very curious about: how many people out there knew that all thirteen forwards and seven defensemen chosen for the roster dressed for every game?
First, let's take a quick look at what the defense has been like so far. I'll ignore the forwards, because other than a lack of finish, they have been generating shots and chances, but a couple of unbelievable performances by Jonas Hiller and Ryan Miller have nullified a lot of their opportunities. It's been frustrating to see the so-called 'chemistry pairing' on defense of Brent Seabrook and Duncan Keith split up, with Keith notably playing with the more offensively gifted Drew Doughty in key situations, and racking up huge minutes in all other parts of the games. Meanwhile, Seabrook has rotted away at the end of the bench, obviously lacking any semblance of trust from Mike Babcock in defensive situations. This I can understand. Maybe the coaching staff made a mistake and realized that Seabrook is where he is due to the fact he is playing with the mega-talented Keith in Chicago, and is a shadow of what they believed he was without #2 by his side. Chris Pronger has been disappointing, as of Scott Niedermayer and Dan Boyle. The general consensus is that Shea Weber, Keith and Doughty have been the better defenders so far (albeit, Doughty may be benefiting from playing with Keith or other solid players, notwithstanding his great goal-saving block on the Phil Kessel shot versus the American team).
Which brings me to my question had before regarding roster rules. I am not sure if I am in the minority here, but I had absolutely no idea that you could have an extra forward and extra defenseman on the bench during games. Every person I have either watched games with or talked to also had no idea that this was a rule in international hockey. Which leads me to ask myself: why was this not publicized by any of the major sports networks during the whirlwind prior to the team selection in late December? As Bob McKenzie and the rest of the TSN crew hyped the impending selection of Patrice Bergeron and his right handed faceoff abilities, nothing was mentioned of the fact that there were to be extra players to be available on the bench. I, along with many others, assumed that Bergeron would be scratched in games where offensive fireworks would be likely, but dressed when defensive battles were forthcoming. As well, players like Jonathan Towes and Doughty were selected to be 'along for the ride,' unlikely to see much playing time, but brought to Vancouver to sit in the press box and be part of the experience, since they are sure to be key components on future Canadian teams. But alas, after seeing the first game, I noticed R O say in a game thread that he believed all players dress in international games, and sure enough, the whole roster was there except for the third goalie.
So what gives? Why wasn't this a major issue before the Games? Am I completely in the dark here? I completely bought Steve Yzerman's reasons on why Mike Green wasn't chosen for Team Canada. Yzerman said "I just think the defence we put together can generate offence almost to the same level as Mike, and yet be stronger in other areas. We just thought the seven that we chose are a better fit for us. I don’t want to go on at length criticizing Mike Green, but there are parts of his game that we’d need to see improved upon before he’s ready to play in the Olympics." We all agreed that Green was likely to be a liability in defensive situations, despite the impressive 'puck moving' and scoring abilities he possesses. Why would you want a guy like that on the ice when he would probably bring down his defensive partner and bleed goals against?
Anyways, here we are. Germany on Tuesday in the elimination round, and if we win, the Russian quarterfinal game on Wednesday. Mike Babcock has seemed to have settled on his defensive roles: Weber, Keith, Doughty and Boyle (maybe) are the relatively stronger players, with Pronger and Niedermayer stopping hearts with their constant gaffes. Meanwhile, Brent Seabrook enjoys the best spectator seat in the house.
Would it be any different if TSN hyped up the importance of the seventh blueliner? Because it damn well seemed to me that TSN had an idea of what their ideal team was leading up to December 30th. Did Yzerman tell Dreger or McKenzie that he was 'leaning towards Seabrook and Doughty' days before he named the team, only to have it reported to the rest of the nation? Was Yzerman watching Sportscentre every evening and basing his decisions on what Darren Pang's thoughts were or something? Do I dare say that Yzerman and the rest of the selection committee had no idea that the seventh defenseman dressed every night? Because no matter on what their plan was, surely they didn't envision Seabrook's status to where he is right now. Would have Team Canada scored a goal on both of those power plays in the waning minutes of the game against the USA, or in the closing rush when Martin Brodeur was pulled if a seventh defenseman such as Mike Green was on the team?
Would we be worse off if Mike Green played 6 minutes on the power play every night, but didn't step on to the ice at even strength? We will never know. I just wish that I was aware of this roster rule before the team was selected, because it almost seemed to me that if TSN had made it more of an issue, the selection of a Mike Green wouldn't have seemed as bad as Yzerman insinuated. I'm just a hell of a lot more frustrated because I was in the dark regarding this Olympic rule, and I am pretty sure that I'm not alone.
What do you all think? In hindsight, are you pretty disappointed in the lack of attention regarding this situation? It would definetley be interesting to see if there are a lot of other people in the same boat as me. Just don't get me started on why Jay Bouwmeester isn't on this team.
*Sorry, I've never done a fan post this long before, so I didn't know how to do 'The Jump.' My apologies if it slows down your computer with the loading time.
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Great point, Rod. You are not alone- this was a rule I was not familiar with at all, and I was stunned to see the whole lineup on the ice against Norway. Mike Green deserves a spot simply due to that rule. And it is surprising that tsn never made note of it at all. I watch sportscentre daily and there was nothing mentioned on it at all. I really hope Yzerman knows what the hell he is doing out there.
The powerplay is a bit of a politics thing. Maybe not so much in Int’l hockey but certainly in the NHL, your marquee players usually end up playing the PP.
Of course part of that is that your marquee players usually get to be that way because they are good offensively.
It’s like the shootout that way, remember the newspaper clippings that were generated when Iggy didn’t shoot in the 1-2-3?
In any case I would have been more than happy to see Mike Green riding pine at EV only to play a PP role. I have no idea if Babcock has the balls to take that PP time away from other players who do play significant EV minutes though.
shootout
I was sort ot familiar with the 1-2-3 then anyone can go again shootout rule just because I saw some thing on wednesday night hockey… Peter laviolette coached some low level usa tournament in europe and had some dude shoot like 15 times in total over a couple shootouts. And I suppose Towes shot a lot in the WJC. Oh well, I was 17 during Torino and 13 during SLC so I never was in tune enough with hockey to notice the extra forward and Dman for intnl hockey games.
You’re probably right about the powerplay, Senor Niedermayer would take that C on his chest and create a mutiny in the locker room if his PP time was removed in favor of Green.
At the end of the day I’m 21 and probably haven’t seen enough international hockey to notice these rules. I suppose that was why Ed Belfour was the only Canadian to wear a suit when they won gold in SLC, there must have been 2 guys dressed on the bench. Too bad it wasn’t a big deal with the media beforehand, though. I’d have a totally different outlook on the team naming process if that roster rule had been drilled in my head. Maybe Steve Yzerman is the same. If Matthew Barnaby had been more vocal about its significance on TSN, maybe he’d be the one on the gametime roundtable instead of Kypreos. At least Doug MacLean isn’t there, so maybe its a mixed blessing!
by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 22, 2010 6:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Niedermayer should have stayed at home, but at the moment, you could make that case for about half the D.
Good post, Rod. As an FYI, when you do this again and want to create a “jump”, click on the tab at the top right of the text window that says “visual view”. It will place a break on the screen for you. All you have to do then is get your cursor in place beneath it, and go to town.
For this post, I’ll put one in place, since it looks like you’re on your phone at the moment.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 22, 2010 6:47 AM PST up reply actions
I assumed the committee knew what it was doing, but yeah, Green over Seabrook and JBo over Niedermayer might’ve made a significant difference on the team. Doughty, Keith, and Boyle are pretty good on the PP, but I daresay that Green is nigh magical on it.
by SmellOfVictory on Feb 22, 2010 12:41 AM PST reply actions
I don’t know, I’ve liked Pronger more the Nieds so far in the tourny. He has made mistakes, but he’s also done some very solid work outside of those mistakes. Nieds is just kind of there.
by SmellOfVictory on Feb 22, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Less Predictable?
Maybe the inclusion of Green would have resulted in a less predictable PP? Assuming Babcock would have iced both Weber & Green. The PP the last couple of games was almost reminiscent of the Flames PP cycling only to feed the point shot by Phaneuf, with the proxy on Team Canada being Weber.
Rod for Darren
Roddie B, really bringing to the table the issues that matter. Great piece, keep up the good work, Double D over at TSN better start looking over his shoulder pretty soon. Duthie and crew should be ashamed!
I was aware of the rule, but honestly, the bigger issue for me on the defence has been the defensive gaffes rather than the lack of offence.
Doughty can provide the offence, and has quarterbacked the PP, but his defence has been nothing special. Seabrook was taken because of his chemistry with Keith, yet Seabrook doesn’t play. Frankly, he never belonged on this team in the first place. Green would have been a better pick than Seabrook, but Bouwmeester would have been a better pick than both. At least I’d feel more confident in our defensive acumen.
Niedermayer has been as bad as predicted, while Pronger has been nothing special. Canada is relying on the kids to make it work, and the end result has been too many defensive breakdowns that have ended with Brodeur fishing the puck out of his net.
Laying Down
Like i said, very good investigative work Rod. But maybe when your done you could go outside, lie down in the middle of the road, and wait for a car to run over you cause thats the attitude you’ve got towards the Olympic tourney. This is not over. Seabrook may be a plug and Pronger may be too busy meeting new friends in the village, but magic can still happen. Jarome dominates weak opposition, so put a check mark against germany. Ive been praying for him to become Jarome Iginla for a solid 2 years now, maybe he can starting with Russia. We’ve got to face the truth that Jay Bouwmeester is not on the team , and make due with what we’ve got. Their has to be a reason why the team has a collective payroll of $124 million.
Snoop Blogg, thanks for the constructive criticism, its people like you who inspire me to become a better FanPost blogger. Next time I see a busy road, I’ll remember your advice.
Anyways, I have noticed something very peculiar about Jarome. As per usual, Iginla has stepped up where its mattered least: against the worst teams in the tournament. Much like he teases us with his domination against the Oilers, he obliterated the Norwegians, but fell short of his lofty expectations against the might of the Swiss and the U S of A. Based on this I expect nothing less than 5 goals against the Germans tomorrow. Which leads him directly into the longtime Soviet conspiracy I believe Jarome has fallen victim to. Vlacheslav Bikov has a known distaste for Canadians after his infamous trip in the Canada Cup. As well, he did not name Alex Kovalev to team Russia. Get where I’m going? I’ll continue. I think a Soviet science team was created by Vladimir Putin and they did the unimaginable: they put Kovalev in our beloved Jarome’s body. It is so obvious now. The outside shots. The lack of contact. The constant benchings. The perimeter drifting. The inspired play (against shitty opponents) and the buckling under expectations against the stronger teams. It may sound like a conspiracy theory, but I am acutely aware that Snoop Blogg, a frequent poster at The Daily KOS and Huffington Post, believes George Bush for 9/11 and the CIA for Kennedy’s assassination. Snoop, what are your thoughts on this? Remember to hit the reply button at the end of this comment, I see you’re new to SB Nation.
by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 22, 2010 1:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Astute observation Rod, i am new to SB nation. Your soviet conspiracy theory is fascinating and should really be looked into further. But you TSN types (I have a feeling this is your day job, whether under actual employment or not) have been boasting for the past 2 years about how Canada has the depth to put out 2 Olympic teams that could compete for gold and how this is “our game”, and now it just seems like your hitting the panic button. The team stevie assembled has all the tools to play this sunday, we’ve just got to battle a little adversity to get there. We will never know if Team Canada at the Salt Lake games would have been able to even contend for gold if it wasnt for Tommy Salo’s heroics, we just look back at that gold medal game. Team canada 2010 is good but might have to have the same sort of luck if they are going to contend.
Thanks Rod – good summary of the play by the D so far. I was aware of the rule as well, and still am not that broken up about Green not making it. I’m more upset about Seabrook over JayBo and even more upset over how Babcock is using the forwards.
Over at Copper and Blue, they do a great job breaking down the shift chart, and Toews was buried in the 3rd (after being perhaps the best Canadian in period #2). Morrow hasn’t played, and that’s fine but again, why him over an offensive dynamo like St. Louis. I’m seeing too much of Thornton for my money, but since the Shark trio was advertised as such, I guess they stay together and play together a ton.

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