Cgy-NYR trade call is happening now. Deal is exactly as @DarrenDreger reported it last night - Jokinen/Prust for Higgins/Kotalik.
McKenzie says the trade is going down.
If this isn't a precursor to another deal, then I'll lead the "fire Sutter" parade.
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I’ll have something more detailed tomorrow.
For now, my short version:
Kotalik is terrible. His contract is terrible. If Sutter doesn’t flip him for something else (be it another player or basket of fruit) it’s an absolutely brutal acquisition.
Higgins was once a good player who may or may not be recoverable. He’s probably a step up from Nystrom et al.
This fruit basket concept is intriguing. Can we really trade players for baskets of fruit? Because I think 3-4 fruit baskets on the team would provide an optimal balance of defense and offense.
by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
The apple wants 2500 dollars.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
Sutter will sign the apple for 1.2 million, with NTC
by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Terrible idea, if we sign the apple for 1.2M we’ll be woefully short on orage not to mention having zero chance at getting banana.
Banana’s on the downside of his career.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
At least Higgins’ contract is done, so even if he can’t be salvaged, they can cut their losses. Kotalik’s contract is a gigantic black hole.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
I would take a 3rd Round Draft Pick and some cash for him.
If this deal was a Two for One deal it would make sense but there is going to be no room for Conroy if and when he returns which f’ing sucks.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
Projected lines
Kotalik-Stajan-Iginla
Bourque-Langkow-Glencross
Hagman-Boyd-Lundmark
Mayers/Mcgratton-Nystrom-Higgins
this HAS to be a flip. it just HAS to be.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
It looked pretty ugly, which makes me wonder, no matter what happens with this trade. They may look like they have extra bodies now, but do they in reality?
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Not on TSN’s website yet.
I’m not sure if it’s fire Sutter or abandon the ownership group. If Sutter’s hand is being forced here, then I have no faith in our overlords.
well the jokinen trade was an ownership deal, right ? so wtf is this then ? sweet jesus, lombardi, prust, vandermeer and a first rounder for KOTALIK ?
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
they do approve, though, i’m guessing…. i know there has been meetings, of late.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
That is true. I was confident that they would stand pat after the losing streak.
The Phaneuf trade is defensible from various angles but this move in isolation screams of desperation though.
And either the ownership approves of the desperation, or they are the catalyst for it.
by R O on Feb 1, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
I think Sutter has a blank check to run the org from a hockey side of things. I doubt he needs approval for trades.
“Olli is not a Darryl Sutter deal,” the GM said. “That’s an ownership deal, because of his contract. You have to give them a tremendous amount of credit for that to be able to bring in a top player at the deadline.”
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
I just got a text from my brother that looked like he just hit his head against his phone a couple times to fill out the 140 characters.
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“What was that about”
“FUCKING KOTALIK WHAT THE FUCK IS SUTTER THINKING”
Verbatim, emphasis his.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
it has GOT to be a flip. it just HAS to be….. it would be unparallelled in darryl sutter stupidity.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
What’s the upper end of the range of reasonable expectations for the end-game here? Get Kovalchuk?
That’s not a great move from my perspective. ANd that’s the upper end.
That is as good as it gets at this point.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
How did this trade factor into any range of probability of getting Kovalchuk?
No pieces you acquired here are of any value to the Thrashers and you added salary for next year.
i honestly think that if there’s no kovalchuk-calibre player coming back, sutter gets turfed before year-end. which sutter ? you pick.
Both, but the architect is Daz. He’s still the root of it all.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
he HAS to know that without a kovalchuk type guy, he’s done.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
He’s the root and Brent is the trunk screaming “one in” at a line of 15 million dollars worth of forwards.
by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
I believe this is going to end up being literally the BEST trade anyone has ever made. The fact that absolutely nobody on the entire planet thinks it’s a good one or can understand it means that it will end up being phenomenally epic in its glory. There is a master plan.
Hahaha this has nothing to do with trusting Sutter, but trusting how batshit insane this trade appears to be.
jbeach: I will take you up on that. We can pal around with Sutter together and joke about his “bitter beer face.”
by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe there is a pre arranged deal to have Kotalik defect to Russia, he already threatened Sather with that
i really would like to know what kotalik’s grand plan there was, with the fallout of the radulov defection and the gentleman’s agreement that there would be no contract with signed players.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Did I mention to you guys that I hate Ales Kotalik.
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It Kota-licks good enough for a nickname if he sticks around, or do we have to get creative?
by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
NEVER FORGET
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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 10:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I’m actually really sad for him and Brandon.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
yeah so am i. nobody deserves to go through what they just made them go through. they both took like real professionals, especially the Joker. Daz needs to watch his karma from here on out.
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As I said, blame the douche out east that leaked the trade. The Flames did nothing wrong there, but had to eat the crap that assholes like Dreger forced down their throats.
Darren Dreger is the scumbag out of all of this. He’s the idiot who put four players through 24 hours of stupidity because of his own selfish need to be the next Eklund.
agreed. Dreger really ran with this one and put Daz in a horrible spot. i know every single point matters and all which is why they had to play them last night…but sometimes it is more important to save face and just sit them out. hindsight being 20/20, they obviously did not help prevent the anemic play against the Flyers…so it was all for null. professionally speaking though, and its my opinion, since the cat was out of the bag…i sit them.
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we’ll potentially miss you, you funny looking nhl tester of crossbar and post integrity.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Joker
This man has cursed the franchise.
Before he arrived, hopes were soooo high… Now that he has left, the organization looks to be in disarray.
OLLI HAS KILLED THE FLAMES.
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by jealous broadcaster on Feb 1, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
daz cannot be oblivious to 24 hours worth of pundits ACROSS THE BOARD saying this is the most ridiculous deal. there has to be more.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Well Kent you can change the message on the top of the site kinda like it was at the start of the year: “Where Olli Jokinen is greatly missed”
by M F on Feb 1, 2010 10:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You’ll change your mind soon enough. Seriously, as much as Jokinen severely underperformed both his contract and expectations he’s better then Kotalik and has a better contract all things considered (where the sooner it ends the better). I’ll just pray that this is part of something else.
Is Prust a UFA or RFA at the end of the year? I wonder if this’ll just be a second vacation away from flamesland for him.
As long as Sutter is here, he won’t be back. That was a dickhead move.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
sounds like you guys need a panda pic to cheer you up :)
all in good will, of course.
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Can we trade Kotalik for that baby panda? I think we may have a backup goaltender here.
by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
maybe you guys need a happy panda....
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Looks like he’s assuming the position, which is basically what Flames fans are doing at the moment.
by R O on Feb 1, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The nicest thing a Canuck fan has ever done for Flames fan. The only nice thing really but still…Oh wait I forgot about thinking Cloutier was a legitimate # 1 for so long, that was good of you as well.
Overtime is on folks. Lets see if Stein can handle the shitfire.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
It’s a very very bad sign when the only thing I can do at this point is remind myself, “Remember how bad Olli was, remember how bad Olli was,” and it doesn’t help.
my problem here (so far) is that we lost lombo, vandy, prust and a FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICK for kotalik and higgins.
this better not be the end. for realz.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
It makes me sad hearing that.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t like losing Prusty but otherwise it can’t be much worse than Jokinen can it? I like this trade more than Phaneuf at least for now
Kotalik is really bad – the real problem is his contract which is for 2 more seasons and includes a NMC.
The new team only has to honour it if they want. They aren’t obligated.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
You get to give him a new contract when he is traded.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
I might have to look at that again. It might be just for guys who haven’t had it kick in yet, like Dion’s deal giving him an NTC July 1.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
You are correct. Section 11.8 (a) of the CBA. Unless the Leafs so choose, they are not bound by the NMC Phaneuf had that was going to take effect July 1.
there’s a legal basis behind this though…its rooted in contract law…first of all, the new team wasn’t the initial party in privity with the player so there needs to be some form of consideration exchanged between them to uphold it… in a trade scenario there is no consideration exchanged between the team and player…just consideration exchanged between the teams. so the lack of consideration exchanged between the player and his new team leads to not upholding the NMC. understand though that there was consideration when the player signed with the original team which is why it was the clause was legal in the first place. third of all, depending on the waiver provisions of the contract, by actually getting traded you waive it the clause….so there you go. :)
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they will talk about professionalism when they get interviewed. they will talk about being pro athletes. well, they were kinda treated like shit in this deal here. i can’t believe they had to play that game with backlund and mcG available in the wings…. dressing 60 and 10 would have been the gentlemanly thing to do.
brutal, brutal, brutal.
Yeah, thats it. Kent’s right. Please let Kent be right. PLEASE!!!!
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Higgins, Kotalik, Moss, Dawes, Mayers, Nystrom, Hagman, Bourque, Glencross, Iginla, *Lundmark, Conroy, Boyd, Langkow, Stajan
That’s 15 NHL forwards.
And in terms of injury insurance, Backlund has shown himself to be capable.
by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
well i guess the backlund’s not demoted theory wasn’t wrong. but, IMO, it means we will still be losing another couple guys. dang i hope backs ain’t one of em.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe Moss isn’t hurt as badly? and he could be sent out soon?
All this speculation is nauseating
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
can you not trade an injured player ? is that actually a rule ? or can you just not demote an injured player ?
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Unless Dawes, Moss and Conroy are hurt a hell of a lot worse than the Flames are letting on, they’re overloaded for sure.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
my guess is that conny won’t come back, warrener styles .
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
it’s almost not even worth speculating/commenting tonight. maybe TOMORROW will be like xmas morning !!!
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
We right now are the epicenter of all that is hell in the NHL and it’s not the good kind of Hell where other teams can’t stand it.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
I think Higgins is the worse player out of both of them. Then again, that’s like comparing two piles of steaming turd
Nah. Higgins once upon a time played a decent level of comp and held his head above water. His contract is way more reasonable and he’s younger. He’s far and away the better asset.
Maybe, it doesn’t matter that much. I just think 2.25 for Higgins is awful, and 3 for Kotalik is awful. I guess Higgins is a UFA…so there’s that.
Somehow though, I feel like saying “Well, he used to be good, but if he’s not he’s gone soon” just isn’t a winning thought line
I was just thinking back to the summer. You know, after Jay Bouwmeester was signed. I remember all the discussions about the embarassment of riches that Calgary was dealing with. It was a simpler time. I miss those days. You know, before people realized that you had to actually score goals to win hockey games.
copypasta FTW.
Trade went through.
Flames fans breathe a sigh of relief now that Joker’s unproductiveness and massive contract are gone, but the faces of relief quickly change to faces of disgust at the mediocrity of Kotalik and the fact that they just got an American Joker in Higgins and he’s sticking around for 2 more seasons.
I realize I`ll be crucified by my fellow Canuck fans for saying this, but I really like Nigel Dawes. Beautiful hands and great speed, awesome pick up for Calgary management, do you guys think Sutter will take Bernier and his stone hands for him?
PLEASE. WATCHING HIM TRY TO STICKHANDLE IS LIKE WATCHING JOHN TRAVOLTA ACCIDENTALLY SHOOT MARVIN IN THE FACE OVER AND OVER AGAIN. HORRIFYING YET SOMEWHAT AMUSING.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 1, 2010 10:09 PM PST reply actions
We do have to remember Sutter said he was in Dallas yesterday morning before the Dion trade. WOnder if theres any potential there?
by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 1, 2010 10:10 PM PST reply actions
no no no. he was with the texas rangers looking for badguys.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
I’d take Neal or Erikkson over Kotalik and Higgins any day.
by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
there is hope…
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bob mckenzie did tweet that someone saw jokinen and prust being escorted to sutter’s office by a pr person a while ago….
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update from 20 seconds ago
someone from tsn will be reporting from calgary on sportscenter at 2 am EST
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He’s in Whistler. It would be someone else.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
“I ARE ANDERS SEE ME SCORE”
“That’s the wrong net, moron.”
“I ARE ANDERS SEE ME SCORE”
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
ive met him several times, he was a friends of mines fathers best man years ago in russia, oddly. hes such a nice guy i felt bad to see him be well… what you described.
did anyone else hear the interview with anders the other night ? gah.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Here’s “silver lining” with Kotalik: he’s had some of the worst bounces I’ve seen this year. His percentages are ridiculously bad.
That’s all I got.
I like to play the optimist, so I have to point out that it could be worse… I remember cheering for the Flames back when Zarley Zalapski was their top defenceman.
Played NHL 99 not to long ago.
Boy that was depressing.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
NO WAY !!! my roommate was talking about him, wondering where he was….
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Still holding out hope. The reason this hasn’t been announced is because there is a third team and they are getting Kotalik. That’s what’s happening.
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Joker and Prust will be talking soon.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
i hope they say they had the worst day ever and the calgary flames fucked them over tonight.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
the way the were treated was unacceptable, imo. especially for prust, i mean its not like he was an everyday guy anyway why did he have to play?
they totally could have put in backlund and mcG. it would have been the right thing to do.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
hm. might as well have been a gentleman and played the two lesser guys then, hunh ?
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Nah. I hate to bring the whole “parallel universes” thing but Jokinen helps us win in more of them (or lose in less of them if you want to think of it like that) than Backlund.
Is Kotalik a historical Sutter favorite?
He sure has the makeup of one. 6’1" 227 lbs., with a supposed + shot.
But I don’t remember man-love for Kotalik like there was man-love for Jokinen and Marleau for years.
sutter was confronted by the job board and he has to be equal opportunity now
by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 1, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
this is an accurate depiction of most of us. did you just draw it ? ms paint ?
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
typed in “rage” in google image search.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
its late for me and if i keep thinking about ales, i might commit suicide. goodnight all.
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the good news is that his first name makes me want to drink beer.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t do it. Not yet, at least.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
oh yeah...i want to leave you with this...
Ladies and gentlemen the newest member of your Calgary Flames:
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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is that kotalik ? hm. this changes everything. ;)
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
If we have learned anything from the Oilers...
YOU CAN’T WIN WITH GUYS NAMED ALES!
The Viking family farm might be adding some part time labourers if this continues.
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by jealous broadcaster on Feb 1, 2010 10:23 PM PST reply actions
Lame and incomprehensible would be more apt.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 1, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Steinberg = Panic
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by jealous broadcaster on Feb 1, 2010 10:26 PM PST reply actions
if you want to send your condolences, feel free: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?ref=sgm&id=1250424533
I offered him a friend request and sent a message.
Poor guy, damn it this is pissing me off.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
“I’m sorry Sutter is an idiot. Good luck in NY.”
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
When your own broadcasters are saying they can’t defend it, well… Steinberg sounds like a kid lost in a mall. Not crying yet, but definitely confused.
Just open the phone lines Pat… Stop saying ranch and rodeo and farm
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by jealous broadcaster on Feb 1, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
My prediction...
NYR trades Jokinen straight up for Kovalchuk.
How much would that hurt
joki wanted to stay here for his career. SLap in the face
by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 1, 2010 10:28 PM PST reply actions
Honestly, that is a freaking low-blow on Prustie and Joker, having it come out like this.
Apparently, the Rangers made an offer on Kovalchuk today.
" 5 million dollars, 11 goals, it won’t cut it"
Good self-analysis, Joker. Points for honesty, at least.
One guy on Lowetide speculating this is to help the PP.
News flash, they are sucking Pierre’s dirty pond water at EV too.
Oui. He’s a marginal bottom sixer at this point. With two more years at 3 mil. Jeebus.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Officially. He mentioned off the top that he expected to be traded all day.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
i know my boys’ voices. well, i used to…. now i only know a couple of em.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:33 PM PST up reply actions
not really, though. come summer we’re effed now.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
In the middle of a playoff race.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
How can the Flames ownership approve this? How???
I am assuming they approve all deals because money is involved after all. If they don’t they are just stupid.
Operating under that assumption – why??? How many season ticket holders called in to cancel their tickets for next year? Enough to matter?
The money’s the same for this year, so maybe Murray Edwards gives Daz free reign unless there’s a real expenditure.
STH’s aren’t giving them up unless it’s a bad team for a few years. Corporate tickets are still viable in the market, as paul-marc says.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
That’s my thinking as well (on the tix) – the Flames are going to make money next year.
As such the need for a shake up… I dunno. It’s boggling. Following this team this year is hard.
Tinkering, I could have agreed with. Even the Dion move can be looked at as a long term financial adjustment and roster balancing, but this is beyond a shake up. It’s a blowup, especially with another move maybe in the hopper.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the Dion “core” thing is overblown, the only core thing about any of the core players is their contract term. It was a hockey move, adjust strength within the roster, the need to do so coudln’t be denied, the only thing to debate is “was it enough?”
This… no direction or vision or sense of a plan.
That Joker interview was pretty sad. Lost amongst it actually is the “slap in the face” comment. But aside from that, Olli is a consumate professional. Slightly embarassed by the Flames franchise tonight.
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I’m willing to bet Jarome is embarassed as well.
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he was the guy who had to go on record today saying “we don’t believe in rumours”
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
I shed a single tear.
All of us crazy fans here are sad. I can just imagine that locker room and most importantly Olli and Brandon.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
They just changed half of their roster. I don’t see how these two help us win more then the two guys we just got rid of.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
AND likely more…because if there is a package deal coming, it’s likely got one or two other players from the “old” team…like Moss or Boyd. That means 6 immediate roster players gone and how many in?
I don’t think it’s coming, Lawrence. Which sucks big time.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
I mean we used to rip on the Joker but on his skills and not as a human being…I think everyone is stunned and sad because of the way it went down. The human element was just brutal here. Not only does the trade make little sense…it really was a slap in the face to those two players….and I think the fans are feeling like they got slapped too.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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I could have done without Joker on the roster, but that’s a grown-up reaction from both of those guys. Kudos and good luck.
Yeah, defintely like Jokinen as a person, easy to cheer for if he was any good. Some of teh best players are douchebags, and vice versa of course.
I’ll take that as a backhanded compliment to Burrows.
by Beantown Canuck on Feb 1, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
honestly ? even if he flips this into kovalchuk or the like, it leaves a really sour taste in my mouth.
stajan, hagman, white, and mayers must be like…what kind of shit show did we just end up in…and if they thought burkie was bad…wait till daz trades you for ales kotalik.
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Here’s a gem from Overtime.
“Brent Sutter wasn’t happy with the game”.
Oh REALLY? Well, fuckwad, maybe next time coach it better!!!
Oh REALLY? Well, fuckwad, maybe next time coach it better!!!
Pretty much.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
PEOPLE, PEOPLE WE DON’T CARE ABOUT THE GAME RIGHT NOW.
We are in death mode right now.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
Don’t be wishing for Kovalchuk, Lecavalier people.
It will be a Frolov type if anything.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
I could live with Frolov. He’s pretty useful.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Imploding the entire team in a quest for Frolov could leave some people unhappy.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 1, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Kotalik out and Frolov in, that’s my reasonable dream scenario, has been since before the Phaneuf trade.
Phaneuf for Frolov… I would’ve done that, straight up. And you know that you could’ve extracted some more positive from LA.
why are u in love with frolov so much??
by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 1, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Let's go really big
Moss, Kotalik, Glencross, Sarich, Stuart, Wahl & a 3rd rounder for Whitney, Ruuttu, Pitkanen and a 2nd
I agree " Everyone should be sickened by how Dion was treated" I complained about him like anyone….but fuck man, he was 24.
That caller was RIGHT on
Hagman, Kotalik, Stajan… Soft, Soft, Soft.
"It's a great day for hockey" - BBJ
by jealous broadcaster on Feb 1, 2010 10:47 PM PST reply actions
Hagman isn’t really soft. The other two get knocked around some but Stajan’s a decent two-way guy. But man Kotalik…
It just seems like Darryl’s mold has been thrown out the window after the losing skid. These aren’t ‘Sutter types’.
No Cowbells.
"It's a great day for hockey" - BBJ
by jealous broadcaster on Feb 1, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
This is a good point. The GM has been more or less predictable with his moves, or at least the direction he was taking the team was predictable.
No vision in this Kotalik move, makes me very nervous about what he’s going to do next. Trade Regehr, for instance? Or Langkow? Not resign Bourque?
Bourque’s $$$ may be paying Kotalik instead.
"It's a great day for hockey" - BBJ
by jealous broadcaster on Feb 1, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
i heard there was also a fistfight between dion and iginla, and another between dion and bourque in the past month.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
some of the team was in a pub in banff doing shots
Reggie tried to get dion to do a shot and he said no
reggie said Avery would do it
fight
never talked since lol
who’s Reggie? Regehr?
/ignorant outsider question
by Passive Voice on Feb 1, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
hm. weren’t they paired together for most of the year?
by Passive Voice on Feb 1, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Safe to say I underestimated the fall-out from this one.
I’m going to wait for the other shoe to drop, first. Or at least give it time to happen.
As to the human element, I think that stuff can be laid at the feet of the media leaking the trade before it happened. Really, if that doesn’t happen, Jokinen and Prust don’t play knowing they are goners.
fine. but they didn’t have to dress. are they better players than the option ? yes. but how do you think the other guys felt today having to talk to them ? how much sleep do you think those two guys got last night ? seriously brutal move.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
aside from kotalik, that’s really my biggest hangup on the whole thing…once the trade broke, you bench the guys…you don’t make it seem like there is no trade or that you are milking them. that was really upsetting to me.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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What number does Kotalik get? haha.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
What if the “miracle man” they bring in doesn’t work? Then we’re super fucked. I mean, I guess we are toast anyway, and maybe you gotta make changes.
BUT….this is crazy HAIL MARY stuff man. It could be as much as 6 or 7 players on the roster totally changed.
This isn’t tinkering. The Flames sent their alleged number one center and a very well regarded, if incomplete, 24 year old defenceman who was in the first pair. That sounds perilously close to a blow up.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Montreal had a zillion UFAs, so that made sense in theory. This? Nuts, unless there’s more, but it’s still a strange way to do business.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
yeah I thought of MTL this summer too…making those trades…signing guys you normally wouldnt sign…and refusing to sign pretty much all your UFAs including a guy your fan base was in love with regardless of his play is pretty much a shake-up…
the fact this is happening in the middle of the season makes this definitely a roster shakeup…especially if all these guys stay till the end of the season.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
And the FUNNY thing! A chunk of the problem can be attributed to puck luck (no one tells the Hockey Gods what to do) and another chunk laid at the feet of Sutter.
Iginla-Langkow together could play against the best, they played against the best for fucksakes for 7 games, kicked ass in 5 of them, and a bad-bounce game split that duo up. From a risk-management perspective that has to be tried first.
Kotalik for Tanguay?
Anybody, Anybody!
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
I’d fire Lawton if I was the Tampa owner for making that move. Since they have no owner, who knows?
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
this stuff is starting to rival the Bolts’ owners’ looney and misdirected moves in the summer of 2008…except this is going on in the middle of the season…so ill give us the advantage…6 new guys?? i’m expecting barry melrose to walk through that door any minute now.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
Hail Mary is a good description but I was so disatisfied with the team as it was it pleases me to see something being done. I will conveniently forget that if none of it works out and lay blame far and wide but right now I’m enjoying this. What a night to join the blog!
it made me laugh. but i just want to point out i was kidding about the towel pic.
it’s mickis or bust for me.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
The Stop Forest fire Rangers?
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
The problem is, other than the Flames…..barely….those teams have been brutal, and the laughed at for their trades and contracts
NOT TOO ADD TO YOUR MISERY TOO MUCH FLAMES FANS..
BUT us rangers fans have been talking about how sather needs to shake up the team, and we established that as much as we would like to move them, Reddden, Rozsival, and Kotalik were simply unmoveable..and here tonight, we see 1 of the 3 “unmoveable objects” traded for a former all-star. As for Higgins, we ranger fans simple called him Chris “FANS ON THE SHOT” Higgins. But he does work and on a good day really stands out..but thats on a good day. Good luck!
Higgins might be the only bright spot on an otherwise depressing night.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
well, sorry to say it but you ain’t getting much return. actually, i take that back. we fucking adore brandon prust.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
maybe were not getting much in return, but its more of a low risk/high reward move for us. Prust, according to you guys, is a heart and soul guy, something ny is in dire need for. And Jokinen has put up good numbers in the past, who knows if a trip back to the east can suddenly be a spark.
well if you like the sound of pucks on posts, then you’re good to go. please cheer hard for prusty. for serious. we’re devastated about that guy going.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
fine. i’m speaking for me and duncan then. ;)
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
idk if you guys know much about callahan, but would you say prust and cally are the same type off players? does prust have any skill besides throwing the body?
Callahan is better offensively. Prust is good with the puck and can skate, but is probably no better than a 3rd/4th liner. He’s better than your average goon, for instance.
i mean the nickname. not necessarily the guy.
by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
It’s scary…when you read Pension Plan Puppets…..they are laughing at us for the trade, and now Blueshirt banter is laughing at us as well.
We better be laughing last.
I can guarantee you, everyone will be laughing if and until something else goes down to make this make sense.
It’s insane laughing though. Not happy laughing.
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
LETS PUT A SMILE ON THAT FACE BAHAHAHAHA
"Hey, why dont you give your balls a tug you fucking pussies". - Alexandre Burrows #14
by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 1, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
I can just imagine what the other 29 GM’s are thinking about this.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
What an idiot Sutter is?
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve been in the fetal position for the last hour. You have no idea how hard it is to type.
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Rebuilding mode without Draft Picks. Hmmmmmmmmm
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
I have been trying. They only have 3 lines.
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Steinberg is writing for them as of today.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t understand how Daz is going to get anyone to take Kotalik. I mean shit, he got someone to take Primeau, and now Jokinen….even though Joker’s contract is practically and asset…..but NOW
he has to convince someone to take Kotalik?
That is trying to make the impossible….possible.
Unless Sarich gets thrown in there?
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
Are you being sarcastic? I’m honestly not sure. I think Sarich has some value, but I wouldn’t take Kotalik @ 3mil AND Sarich @ 3.6 for……anything.
Two more years each on their deals. That doesn’t make them assets, that makes them problems for a lot of teams given they’re both 30 plus.
by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
For sure, I thought maybe you could move Sarich as the “Mayers” of the package. Load others in and force Sarich…..
BUT NOW…
you can’t try and convince a team/teams to take both Sarich AND Kotalik.
I say this with all certainty….One of Kotalik or Sarich remains a Flame until the summer now.
He got kipper on a whim when his starter got hurt.
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
He lives across the street from me. I poured a 3 into my lawn’s snow with beer.
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by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
Springbank. Just off of Old Banff Coach Road/Springbank Road.
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
I’m just interested where the players live.
Iggy used to live by me but he moved.
Somebody needs to turn down the heat in the Darryl Sutter's home.
Ok, let's work this through logically.
What do we have? Tons of wingers, depth at D, Great #1 Goalie
What do we need? Backup, Top line center/winger
What do we need to get ride of? Sarich’s, Kotalik’s contract.
Whos’ available for the “needs”.
Top line: Kovalchuk, Lecav maybe. Neither of which I like but these are the offensive players that could be had. The guys I really like are the guys that can’t be had, e.g. the Nash’s, Hossa’s, etc.
For backups: several. Biron, Harding, (possibly one of MTL’s goalies although they seem content running the tandem), anyone else?
Neither of MTL’s goaltenders wants to be a backup, though.
by SmellOfVictory on Feb 2, 2010 1:50 AM PST up reply actions
If we get rid of Sarich then we need to look for a Dman in the offseason, a possible Pardy in the top 4 is not comforting. Fortunately I believe there are a few Dmen who are coming off, Seidenberg, Hamhuis?
I can’t realistically think of any package that makes sense. There are only really 5 or so teams certainly in selling mode:
Edm, Clb, Tor, Car…maybe the Islanders and Blues, but not really.
None of those teams address our goalie issues….except Biron…or maybe ugh…Legace.
SO it has to be a big time rental player – UFA.
Kotalik is a RW and a right handed shot…so I dunno if he could play LW. Therefore, he’s useless to us, cause he’s no upgrade to Moss.
I can’t get my mind around it.
I wonder if STL will decide on a starter. If so Conklin might be had.
Toronto has laready given us all the forwards they cuold spare, I suppose we could always take Whitney from CAR. EDM has a couple guys worth talking about but as Kent has told me before EDM and CGY have never consummated a trade once. With CBJ it’s Nash or bust and unforutnatly that’s a bust.
Goddamn what a pickle.
No idea what Sutter is thinking. The deal on Sunday was a good one in my opinion, but this?
Insanity.
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
That is the consensus, yes.
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Feb 1, 2010 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
This post is way too long to read, but I figured as much. You don’t get 500+ comments on a fanshot in an hour unless it’s great news or horrible news.
Fear The Fin: Where Selling Your Soul Is The Likely Solution
So, Sutter was just in Dallas right?
I read somewhere Kotalik, Higgins and Hagman for Richards.
Give me a flicker of hope,, please?
I do this trade in a heartbeat. Richards is a fantastic difference maker and you can’t pay these guys enough in the cap system.
Which means it won’t happen, unfortunately. Dallas is still in the playoff hunt and thier need is in goal.
If Darryl feels like the fanbase could tolerate pain this season (via another short playoff run or no playoffs) then he’d be wise to trade Kipper for Richards while Kipper is stopping pucks at a high rate.
I have to think that he was there for a reason , and the hold up on the Ranger deal was not because the Flames needed the players for tonights game. There is no way the aquired players are here for long and that makes sense.
yeah they were they lost to Stars tonight so p-m you could be right.
Somebody needs to turn down the heat in the Darryl Sutter's home.
I just dont buy the hold up on the Ranger deal being the Flames needed their players OR the NMC that Kotalik had.
Only an idiot would proceed with a deal of this magnitude no knowing that the NMC would come into play.
ANother thing that is worht mentioning is a Kovalchuk type would likely have been more likely obtained with Phaneuf. The returns on the Phaneuf trade are real forwards, the returns on the Jokinen trade are fake forwards. The former obviously valuable to teams that need to win.
But the teams that have Kovalchuk types don’t need to win, they need to sell hope and tickets for next season, and a big name will do that.
exactly. I just don’t see Kovalchuk coming. Then again, I couldn’t have imagined any of this….so what?
But it would have to be Rental Kovalchuk right?
Somebody needs to turn down the heat in the Darryl Sutter's home.
I believe you’re correct cause it would be the 3rd demotion of the year. Not totally sure though. I think he can be sent down during the Olympics
2 way doesn’t matter. it’s about the number of games played. i don’t understand waivers.
by walkinvisible on Feb 2, 2010 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
i’m IN bed. i can’t sleep. go figure. ;)
by walkinvisible on Feb 2, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
*shudder
remember last week when i had three dreams in one night about mikael backlund ? those were the good ol’ days.
by walkinvisible on Feb 2, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
i met backs in september. dude has pretty intesely unforgettable eyes.
by walkinvisible on Feb 2, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
don’t sweat it. i wont tell that pascale guy.
by walkinvisible on Feb 2, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
it should take another few days. i hope you have redbull.
by walkinvisible on Feb 2, 2010 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah but someone on here sometime ago mentioned that they have done it a few times now and the next one may be different …?
that was me. someone told me that he hits waivers next time he goes down. i have always maintained it could be false, and i’ve never bothered to try and figure it out.
by walkinvisible on Feb 2, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure but I don’t think it will be open to the Public, although I’ve never been to one. Justin would the person to ask but he’s gone to bed.
Somebody needs to turn down the heat in the Darryl Sutter's home.
i know you can call the flames and ask in the morning and usually they’ll tell you time and whether or not you can go. canes should be practising tomorrow too cause they’re in town.
by walkinvisible on Feb 2, 2010 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
i might too. depends what time i get up. plus a buddy of mine is travelling with the canes so i have hangs to do at some point i’m sure.
by walkinvisible on Feb 2, 2010 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
i won’t be able to find you, dude. you’ll find me cause i’ll be drinking coffee out of a beer stein.
by walkinvisible on Feb 2, 2010 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
Im sorry for you guys i really am but on the bright side
at least Sather didn’t trade you Roszival lmao we’re still stuck with him
Canada All stars
Rozy is going to Vancouver and lets see … Redden to Edmonton after that… Gomez to Montreal and Kotalik/higgins to u guys wont seem so bad
Why would Roszival be coming to Vancouver?
"Hey, why dont you give your balls a tug you fucking pussies". - Alexandre Burrows #14
by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 2, 2010 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
DO NOT WANT
"Hey, why dont you give your balls a tug you fucking pussies". - Alexandre Burrows #14
by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 2, 2010 12:29 AM PST up reply actions
Very kind of you. In that vein please give us Marc Staal and a high draft pick. We’ll give you Tomi Maki and Andrei Taratukhin
Whats good about this is that since its Staal’s contract year… that 3million dollars that u inherited is going to the Rangers #1 Dman.
Ouch. The kindness is over. May Sean Avery move in next door and continually pester you to look at his fall line ideas. May Torterella find out you don’t put in a lot of effort at work. May Larry Brooks post-game scrum you. May Mark Messier do potato chip commercials live for you. May Jeremy Roenick question your goaltending. Wait scratch the last one
Honestly, the only way I can describe the past two days for the Flames is...
A firesale.
Everything is going, at the same time.
"Hey, why dont you give your balls a tug you fucking pussies". - Alexandre Burrows #14
by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 2, 2010 12:36 AM PST reply actions
I guess I am the minority in my opinion, but I like what Darryl Sutter has done with these moves. Sure, you get shut out tonight but that isn’t the point. You cannot expect chemistry overnight. Give it a couple games and you’ll start seeing some positive results. I’ve got $$$ on it. The Flames will turn it around soon, much to my dismay.
Who said Jokinen for Kovalchuk? Give your head a shake!
No. Like I said, IT IS A FIRESALE.
"Hey, why dont you give your balls a tug you fucking pussies". - Alexandre Burrows #14
by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 2, 2010 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
Its quite inaccurate but I like writing firesale.
"Hey, why dont you give your balls a tug you fucking pussies". - Alexandre Burrows #14
by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 2, 2010 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
Hey! No one’s posting anymore.
But I’m still having fun!
Don’t go….Look there’s some Cheez Whiz….and…and…some ice……we find a blender and we got process cheese slurpees…it’s still a party…c’mon!
Good morning, all. Rough night?
I’ve said it before, and I’m sayin’ it again: sometimes it is a blessing to be a Flames fan in the Maritimes…went to bed last night after the first period, full of hope and blissfully unaware that my team still can’t score a jeezless goal against an NHL team.
So, let me get this straight…as of right now, Darryl Sutter should fear for his life. But, if he flips Kotalik and Higgins and +? for something decent, then he is the second coming of Sam Pollock. Either way, there is going to be a parade in Calgary soon. But will Daz’s head be on a stick and his body on fire, or will he be sitting on the shoulders of a jubilant crowd? Anyway, have fun.
Hey, paul-marc, wake up…where’s the rest of the cheez whiz? I gotta make breakfast for the kids
As a Ranger fan (not trying to start anything), I really don’t know why Sutter made this trade. I can understand wanting to overhaul the roster, but at least get a draft pick for Jokinen.
You guys are going to be happy with Ian White though, whereas I think Phaneuf has plateaued, White is still on the way up, and without the albatross contract. Don’t write that trade off yet.
Most of us, I think, are either in (cautious) favour of the Leafs deal, or willing to wait and see before passing judgment. But we don’t get the NYR deal either, and are hoping there’s more to come before all is said in done.
I really don’t know if you can possibly spin Kotalik for anything. I guess it’s just two reclamation projects in Sutter’s eyes.
Kotalik is a lot like Fulton Reed from the movie Mighty Ducks, booming shot, hit’s the net one out of every five shots. Doesn’t play physical at all though, and doesn’t like playing even strength.
There are a few things that are giving me hope, mainly that the Flames have an excess of wingers. And that I think Darryl still wants his job, even if he isn’t acting like it.
A girl can dream, can’t she?
Well, the excess cap room needs to be used to re-sign Rene Bourque (boy would he look good in blue), and fill out the roster.
The verdict on these trades can’t be assessed until after the FA period in July.
Iggy needs a center though. I don’t think Langkow cuts it anymore.
Langkow has been Iggy’s centre for 7 of the 56 games the Flames have played so far. During those 7 games the Flames mostly dominated their opposiiton.
Iggy needs a centre, that much is obvious. So much so I think Darryl picked up on it and signed one.
by R O on Feb 2, 2010 8:04 AM PST up reply actions
After last night, I’m willing to give this trade a chance. Kotalik simply can’t be worse than anyone else on this roster was.
you’re not worried about 6 new bodies though? that’s a pretty daunting task…i mean you still need chemistry to seriously compete…right?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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My full thoughts here, but mostly this:
“Now, whether you believe we didn’t pull the trigger on the trade because Ballin’ [Brent]and Shifty [Darryl] thought putting Jokinen and Prust on the ice last night gave us a better chance to win or because Kotalik wasn’t waiving his limited NMC, something doesn’t add up….At all. My thoughts? The trade winds are still a-blowin’, and they’re a-blowin’ something big into Calgary.”
Kent, WI, anyone plugged in…. could you please pop by and tell us something’s cooking? That the end-game here isn’t half a season of Kotalik… followed by two seasons of Kotalik?
Lie if you have to.
i had a feeling Whitney was more in our league
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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and a more realistic play on Daz’ part
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
True, but I have a hard time believing we’ve put the team in a blender in order to pick up Ray Whitney.
hey as long as CAR takes Kotalik’s contract…the Flames attempt to make a push in the offseason with Whitney…and then spend money on wingers this summer…that would make sense. im really starting to get the feeling that dion was a problem off the ice…and the Flames needed a shakeup…so they made that trade. kotalik and higgins were moves to rid the Flames of Joker’s contract and kotalik would then enable them to get a more reliable forward like whitney. kovi is a pie in the sky.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
Actually that’s not a bad idea. Just make up outrageous trade rumors and peddle them as if true, maybe one catches fire and by some cosmically comic series of events, it comes true.
I’ll start.
Kotalik for Halak
Kipper for Richards
Sarich and junk for Nash
:-D
by R O on Feb 2, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
There weren’t much in the way of rumours about this one until Dreger’s retard source leaked the trade.
by SmellOfVictory on Feb 2, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
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