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Sources tell TSN that while the Rangers thought they had the deal basically agreed to on Sunday night, the Flames weren't ready to pull the trigger, in part, because they felt they needed Jokinen in the lineup tonight against Philadelphia in Calgary.

Bob McKenzie reports that Jokinen will be a Flame for at least one more game.

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I don’t know how I would feel if I we’re Jokinen or Prust. Oh hey we need you tonight but then you’ll be on a plane to NYC right after the game’’.

I still hate this deal.

Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.

by CofRed on Feb 1, 2010 7:47 AM PST reply actions  

Yes to all of this.

by SarahM on Feb 1, 2010 7:50 AM PST up reply actions  

It occasionally happens that a player is supposed to be traded, but for whatever reason the trade doesn’t go through and the player remains. But has this ever happened? What could possibly motivate a player who knows he is leaving? Wouldn’t it be better to healthy scratch them? Or does Darryl sit these guys down and say “boys, it’s all just rumours, you’re not going anywhere” and hope they will buy it?
Anyway, even though I am sick of watching Joker in a flaming C I would rather see what he can do with Hagman than see what Kotalik can do with anybody. If it means Kovalchuk or Lecavalier or whoever is coming somehow for the Joker, tell Olli not to the let the door hit him on the ass on the way out.

by rich snake on Feb 1, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, if there isn’t something bigger afoot then this deal makes very little sense. Trading an overpaid/underperforming guy with 1/3 of a season left for an overpaid/underperforming guy with 2 1/3 seasons left seems like such an obviously bad deal that I almost HAVE to assume something else is up.

You’d have to assume that anyways though… the Flames just acquired 3 forwards we have another 2 up from the Farm (that don’t seem to be going anywhere… yet) covering for another 3 on IR (who in so far as we know don’t have season ending injuries). Somethings gotta give soon.

by Parallex on Feb 1, 2010 7:59 AM PST reply actions  

Talk about milking the shit out of a player. Obviously this backfired in the Flames’ faces as none of it should of gotten out of the bag. Thats what you get for dealing with Slats. ;) I feel bad for Joker and Prust though. This whole thing has turned into quite a mess. I still hope none of this trade goes down.

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 8:15 AM PST reply actions  

I want to hear more about the so called Kotalik NTC.

Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.

by CofRed on Feb 1, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s limited. 3 teams he wouldn’t be traded to, one of which was Calgary. No idea who the other two are.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

If I were to make a guess… Edmonton & Vancouver. He get a better travel schedule then.

by Parallex on Feb 1, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow being traded to EDM really messed with the guy that he turned around and negotiated NMC that included another Alberta team in his next contract (I’m assuming EDM is one of the 3 teams with CAL). Its one thing to have Dany Heatley refuse to play for you, its another to have Alex Kotalik refuse to play for you.

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s all Steve Tambellini and Kevin Lowe’s fault, Or one of the two.

Big Bad McKenzie still thinks this deal won’t get made by the end of the day so take that for what it’s worth.

Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.

by CofRed on Feb 1, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

was he whipped and flogged in EDM? forced to do manual labor and fed leftover scraps from K.Lowe’s dog’s bowl?

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m sure simply playing for the Oilers is abuse enough.

by Kent Wilson on Feb 1, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Given the Flames most certainly did not release this trade, this isn’t a case of the deal falling through backfiring in their faces. It is a case of some retard out east leaking the negotiations and now leaving the Flames to deal with someone else’s mess.

by Resolute on Feb 1, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I halfway suspect it’s the same person responsible for the Heatley mess in the offseason… Rangers were in on that too.

by Parallex on Feb 1, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Brooksie? Maybe Torts is on to something after all. Apparently he attempted to break a trade that had Dion going to NY and that backfired in his face…so this could simply be all his doing in spite of that or once again being overly excited to news break a trade. Either way, you’re right…Flames have to deal with someone else’s mess.

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

No one loves tooting his own horn more than Larry Brooks, but he seems late to this party. Didn’t TSN break this story? Why would Brooks break a trade for another news outlet?

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by poploser on Feb 1, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

As per Boomer...

Ian White takes over Dion’s #3, Hagman will wear 11, Stajan dons 18 and Mayers will wear 19.

by RossCreek on Feb 1, 2010 8:40 AM PST reply actions  

So much for my predictions but those all work out.

If White get’s resigned I might have to get his jersey to join my Gio jersey.

Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.

by CofRed on Feb 1, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

WI will be happy with that.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Pretty sure 14 is “unofficially” retired.

by RossCreek on Feb 1, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

i just wasn’t sure HOW unofficially…. like, if he’d be smart enough not to ask for it ? or if he’d want it and be told he can’t have it ? either way, i’m good with 18. lombo’s been gone long enough….. but hey, ian white ? ballsy move, man.

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

very ballsy move…especially after he said he isn’t in CGY to replace Dion…

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Nobody has worn 14 since Fleury. 11 years without assigning a number that low = retired.

by Resolute on Feb 1, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

it could actually mean that the players don’t wear it out of respect. then one day some douche comes along and says “eff you guys, that’s my number.” not sayin’ stajan’s a douche, i’m just sayin’ i don’t know how firm this “retirement” thing is….

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

also ? i bet mayers is pissed about 19. ;)

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

  1. is safe

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

*14

"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

So uh, no offense guys. But we’re licking our chops in Philly over this whole thing right now…

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by Travis Hughes on Feb 1, 2010 8:51 AM PST reply actions  

STAJAN WILL DOMINATE YOU TONIGHT!

by Subversive on Feb 1, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Last year after a big trade we play you guys, this year we play you guys. Maybe we should make this a yearly thing. But you guys make the deal this time.

Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.

by CofRed on Feb 1, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

i bet next year when (if ?) the flames play the flyers, the day before everyone’s on the edge of their seats.

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Couple things…

Flames have three guys on IR so roster limits ain’t it, and…

After all, if you played for Calgary, how would you perform amidst that kind of uncertainty?

One would hope they’d play as if their jobs were on the line else they be shipped to parts unknown.

by Parallex on Feb 1, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup. Four new guys looking to prove themselves, our captain is heating up rapidly, team riding the high of a big win against a rival. I can certainly see why Philly fans would be excited…

by Resolute on Feb 1, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Im sure Gratts is lickin his chops hoping he gets to meet Carcillo tonight as well

by DarrenZ on Feb 1, 2010 8:54 AM PST reply actions  

unless he got traded, or kinda traded, or,, wait…………

by DarrenZ on Feb 1, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

He go to Toronto

There is a picture of Dion at the Leafs practice over at PPP.

by rich snake on Feb 1, 2010 9:03 AM PST reply actions  

; (

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

The Life of an NHL player who’s just been traded.


“Any time you get that call — and this is the second time for me — it comes as a surprise. Obviously the first thing you think about is family and logistics in regards to what you’re going to do and how to figure that all out, but the most important thing is it’ll be easy for us go to the rink and have 23 friends instantly.” — New Flames defenseman Jamal Mayers

I would actually like to have him more then Big Ern.

Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.

by CofRed on Feb 1, 2010 9:12 AM PST reply actions  

if prust sits tonight then the trade is on. watch for jokinen (in that case) to sink a couple own-goals as a big eff you on the way out…. or at least hit the posts behind kippy in trying

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:14 AM PST reply actions  

Or Joker will have a hat-trick and promtly be traded for a guy who’s been scratched the last 6 games.

by RossCreek on Feb 1, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

And I will bet that will happen it’s the way sh*t like this happens & TSN will be all over that.

Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.

by CofRed on Feb 1, 2010 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

i know i make fun of the guy and all...but i actually like the Joker and will miss him not being around. (i have him on both my fantasy teams) i also think it is worth a shot to see how he fits in with stajan, hagman, et al. just shipping him out, for a guy who's been scratched the last six games, as Ross points out, and specifically doesn't want to play for the Flames is a shame. i wonder if Slats offered up Drury as well?

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

i absolutely 100% would rather not do another trade right away.

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, scoring a hat-trick with a couple assists to Hagman before being traded is much more of a “big eff you on the way out”.

by Avalain on Feb 1, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Brent sounds pretty high on Hagman. I asked Kent about Hagman and Stajan a few days ago, hoping there might be a way to get both. Didn’t picture Phaneuf being involved though.

I did think of Toronto when it came to Dion briefly before deciding they didn’t have a package that was suitable imo. I don’t mind the deal now, but it IS a bit of a gamble and could turn out ugly.

by RossCreek on Feb 1, 2010 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

kinda like lombo, prust, vandermeer, and 1st rounder for kotalik and higgins could turn ugly ?

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Umm… yeah, kind of EXACTLY like that.

I know Jokinen is not well-liked in these parts. Heck, I pushed for them getting him and am left wondering why, but Ales FREAKIN Kotalik? I’m getting madder with each minute passing. Say it ain’t so.

by RossCreek on Feb 1, 2010 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

All I can say is we can keep praying to all of our various gods or whatever and hope this deal doesn’t go through.

I have about a 55% likely hood of this deal happening (Oh No I’m Eklund)

Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.

by CofRed on Feb 1, 2010 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

alternately, i’m good with this deal if it IS (infact) a flip for kovalchuk stepping stone. it’s just the in-between bit i’m scared about.

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, except you’re not stunned enough to try and bleed $3.99 a month out of people for the privilege of your misinformation.

by neuromancer_ on Feb 1, 2010 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

i have never, nor will i ever, head to eklund’s site but….. he charges you for it ?

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s a classic bait and switch. He ropes you in with a “free user account” then takes you to a page where you pay for a “season ticket.”

I dunno, I think Eklund is one of the funniest running jokes in the hockey world.

by neuromancer_ on Feb 1, 2010 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

kind of annoys me that he thought of it before I did. lol

by DarrenZ on Feb 1, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

From the morning skate

lines: boyd stajan iginla, glencross langkow bourque, hagman jokinen lundmark, mayers prust nystrom, white with regehr

by DarrenZ on Feb 1, 2010 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

Co-Sign. Stajan looks good out there.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 9:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

is backlund still in the building?

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Think so. Hes on team red, I believe. Of course, Im sitting in the Second deck so its hard to read the numbers on the back of the helmet.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 9:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

aw man !!! i decided not to go !!!!!! i should’ve gone….. booooo !!!

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I lied. I was looking at Boyd, not Backlund. Sorry

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 9:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

you can’t tell boyd by the way he skates ?!?! so backlund, iggy stajan ?

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

shize…. i should’ve gone. i have great vision. ;)

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Looks like Boyd Stajan Iggy.

Noodles is very loud.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 9:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Its no surprise that Meyers looks like shit, haha.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 9:51 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

so is gio back with jaybouw then ? or are they still trying to make sarich into a blueliner ?

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

boomer960...

White paired with Regehr, Stajan on Iggys line, Hagman with Olli and 45, Mayers with 23 and 33

by RossCreek on Feb 1, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Nevermind, didn’t answer your question, lol. I’d assume so for Bouw & Gio, though.

by RossCreek on Feb 1, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

so we still dont have a consensus on whether Mikey B is still around?

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

nothing to suggest he’s been send down… which lends truth to the trade rumour IMO.

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

hold up there is also a Backlund trade rumor?

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

No…it would lend truth to the Jokinen rumor.

-Colin

by Colin S on Feb 1, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

the flames insider says him and mcG are “looking on” …. lean over the railing there, boys, and have a boo ?

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

McG was on the ice for sure. Dont know where that guy was looking.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 10:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

no no no. but if you’re gonna deal jokinen & prust for (eventually) kovalchuk (?) then you’d keep mickis around cause you know he’s in the lineup come wednesday. otherwise you’d demote him and save the bucks.

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

oh ok, gotcha

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Mayers just beat Olli in about 6 face-offs in a row. That’s something the #Flames could definitely use – someone to win those. – Alex Ruiz

by RossCreek on Feb 1, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Win the draw then get off the ice?

-Colin

by Colin S on Feb 1, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

conny used to do it, non ?

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

hey, does white still have the wicked ’stache ?!!?

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

That is one thing I could see. Its still hangin there.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 10:19 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

That is one thing I could see. Its still hangin there.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 10:19 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Although, it was considerably shorter.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Potential Nickname for Mayers

I meant to mention this yesterday. I know how big nicknames are here.

My friend and I have always called Mayers “shift+6,” because his eyebrows look like huge bushy circumflexes ^ ^

Eh? EH?

by neuromancer_ on Feb 1, 2010 9:43 AM PST reply actions  

You know how most other blogs have widgets saying the Team’s top Prospects or whatever I think we need one with all of the Flames nicknames.

Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.

by CofRed on Feb 1, 2010 9:47 AM PST reply actions  

as long as pocketdawes is there, no matter to me.

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Sex panther will always have a special place in my heart, no matter where he ends up.

by Subversive on Feb 1, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah okay.

So, Sutter feels Jokinen is so bad that he’s willing to accept a headache like Kotalik, and yet he’s going to keep Jokinen for a game because he feels Jokinen on the roster gives his team the best chance to win.

Are you sure that’s what your sources said McKenzie? Or did you just make that up?
Keep selling the Kool-Aid Bob!

Anyways.

Time and various news stories have given me faint hope in the position that Kent, RC and Res hold: that Kotalik is in and out of Calgary. His NMC names Calgary so he really doesn’t want to be here. Just judging by Sutter’s previous moves, doesn’t seem like he would pursue such a player.

So the ultimate destination for Kotalik might be the other two teams on his NMC. I believe one of these is Edmonton, currently mired in a horrible losing streak. Are we getting Penner or Horcoff?

Speculate!

by R O on Feb 1, 2010 10:00 AM PST reply actions  

The funny part is how Nick Kypreos read McKenzie’s take and is now reporting the same himself.

by Resolute on Feb 1, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Monkey see monkey do.

-Colin

by Colin S on Feb 1, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Indeed. Helps us determine easily who has inside sources, and who is simpy reading the competition.

Though after the Pronger to LA fiasco, nobody should be surprised that Sportsnet has no insider information.

by Resolute on Feb 1, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh that was Steve Ludzik from the Score

by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 1, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he finally checked into AA after that

by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 1, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Sportsnet jumped onto that bandwagon too. Not only did they get it wrong, they trusted someone else who got it wrong.

A pattern emerges with Sportsnet’s reporting practices.

by Resolute on Feb 1, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

all i gotta say is that there’s NOTHING about kotalik that make me think sutter would go after him for HIM. so it HAS to be part of a flip deal (it HAS to…. right ?? RIGHT ??)

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s what I’m thinking though it won’t involve Kovalchuk, Carter or Lecavalier so now we can speculate Alex Frolov.

Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.

by CofRed on Feb 1, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Man, Stajan is fast. Most of the drills were easy corner to corner ones, but he was burning up and down the ice.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 10:17 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Excellent. We could use more speed (+scoring; Sjostrom didn’t count)

by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

eff i should’ve gone. does white still have the ’stache ?!??!

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

Yes. I could see him getting rid of it though, being a new team and all. Hopefully it stays though.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 10:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Rumor has it the reason they’re trying to deal Jokinen is that there’s only room for one moustache.

by RossCreek on Feb 1, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

holy mackerel we’ve got a lot of forwards!

by shep_ on Feb 1, 2010 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

Joker is king of Svvvvvveeeeeedan now too.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 10:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It’s alright Shep, they’ll fit under the second salary cap.

by R O on Feb 1, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

how was he supposed to know that the cap would rise?!

by shep_ on Feb 1, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

i’ve been wondering where you’ve been and what your thoughts are….. awesome first liner there, shep. :)

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

all work and no play :)

by shep_ on Feb 1, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

i have never really liked phaneuf, it was nice to see him play 1st pairing competition this year but whatever, he will never become scott stevens.
I like white and hagman. stajan is a middle six guy, good passer though.

i hope this means 4 gets more pp time together with 5.

really dislike mayers, remember that hit on pardy? i hope we trade/pb/minor league him.
he has some moreau-esque penalty taken/drawn ratios also.

ive seen the phx and oilers game, how about that mickis? looks like he’s learned some stuff in abbotsford.

by shep_ on Feb 1, 2010 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

we heart mickis. at least….. i do…. ;) it makes freddan’s departure a little easier for me to take.

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

ok nice :)
dont forget that sjöström has helped backlund a lot off the ice.

by shep_ on Feb 1, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

WI, I also love Backlund.

Just in a completely different way then you do.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 10:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

the pic of him and i is currently my facebook profile shot. i totally cut aulie and baldwin out. ;)

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

mickis looked pretty solid v. the oil….. but then again —-it’s the oil. ;)

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure the Hitmen could beat them right now.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

what are the lines now anyway?

16-18-12 ?
11-22-17 ?
20-21-45 ?
33-23-60 ?

by shep_ on Feb 1, 2010 10:39 AM PST reply actions  

4th line is apparently mayers, nystrom, prust. Backlund will probably leave soon

by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 1, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

and if he doesn’t, my guess is that olli and prusty will.

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

and put 19 in instead of 60

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

ok, i guess its good not playing backlund more than 8 games (first year of EL deal will kick in?)

by shep_ on Feb 1, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s a pro, so the deal kicked in already. That only applies to junior players I believe.

by Kent Wilson on Feb 1, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

from alex ruiz

“Brent Sutter refused to talk about Jokinen trade rumours. Both Olli & Brandon Prust stayed away during post-practice interviews.”

by DarrenZ on Feb 1, 2010 10:54 AM PST reply actions  

No no suprise, although their silance speaks volumes I think.

by Parallex on Feb 1, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

this certainly will test the strength of the dressing room I would think

by DarrenZ on Feb 1, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t understand at all why Joker and Prust are playing tonight. They know they are getting traded, so what incentive is there for them to perform well? Besides, what if one of them gets hurt? Then everything is fucked.

Unless they aren’t playing tonight. That would be sneaky.

It's Like The Empire Strikes Back of Commenting.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

They know they might get traded. No one seems sure that the deal is even going through at this point. Man, to be a fly on the wall in the ’Dome today/tonight.

by SarahM on Feb 1, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Sutter will not play them tonight, but is also not trading them. His entire life goal is to screw with everyone.

by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Flames don’t really have a choice. They don’t have the healthy bodies to decide to bench a couple of guys because their feelings are hurt.

by Kent Wilson on Feb 1, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Well… they do have the bodies (Backs and McGrattan in lieu of Joker and Prust) but that’s not an upgrade and I dare say we don’t have the standings position to not field the best possible team.

by Parallex on Feb 1, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

BREAKING NEWS: Ian White has shaved his ’stache.

It's Like The Empire Strikes Back of Commenting.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

They know some douche out east says they are getting traded. Just because Darren Dreger said it does not mean it is any more credible than if Eklund said it.

by Resolute on Feb 1, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Still, that’s gotta fuck with their head, even if it’s just a little bit.

It's Like The Empire Strikes Back of Commenting.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Jokinen is smart enough to realize that rumours are going to dog him until the deadline, or he is dealt. He’s a professional. And he sucks. So we’re not likely to see any downgrade in peformance.

Prust’s job is to let someone punch him in the face.

by Resolute on Feb 1, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Good point. Although Prust gets punched in the face in lieu of others being punched in the face.

It's Like The Empire Strikes Back of Commenting.

by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

true, it was scary to see Iggy fight souray on saturday night

by DarrenZ on Feb 1, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point. Although Prust gets punched in the face in lieu of others being punched in the face.
true, it was scary to see Iggy fight souray on saturday night

Obviously not because if the first was the case then the second wouldn’t be true.

by Parallex on Feb 1, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

well all this trade talk, we haven’t been able to focus on the highlights of saturday night…that fight being one…and Iggy’s Gordie Howe hatter…

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, that was an awesome fight. Shame Souray broke his hand though.

And the fallout from that is that Alex Plante got demoted from Springfield to Edmonton, and will begin to lose the will to live tonight against Carolina.

by Resolute on Feb 1, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

And the fallout from that is that Alex Plante got demoted from Springfield to Edmonton

Well played.

by Kent Wilson on Feb 1, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Souray is going to request a trade to the East just to get away from Iginla.

by Avalain on Feb 1, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

There are a lot of smart people who would be absolutely terrible at hockey. I’m sure if you got Isaac Newton to lace ‘em up he’d be at least a little worse than Jokinen.

by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

how now one else rec’d that I have no idea. and that should show you how bad Higgins + Kotalik are, cause Id take Jokinen over them in a heartbeat

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by poploser on Feb 1, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

We simple Flames fans don’t take to all this fancy “rec’ing” that you big city folk do out east. Had a discussion about that very thing last night, actually.

by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. My commenters dont rec’d stuff. They just make more comments.

by Kent Wilson on Feb 1, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

i’m still at a loss to explain the root of the word…. bob linked me to the urban dictionary but it still doesn’t make sense to me.

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I have always been under to the impression that it is short of “recommend.” Is that not right?

by SarahM on Feb 1, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Makes the most sense, but I prefer to imagine it as standing for “reconnoiter”.

by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Short *for, that is…

by SarahM on Feb 1, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

It is. That was actually Rod Blogojevich that put up the definition.

Rec’d, mark II.

by Robert Cleave on Feb 1, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

ahhhh…. i only saw the original one which was clearly incorrect…. ;) recommend makes SOO much sense.

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

And spam mercilessly until they get banned.

by Resolute on Feb 1, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

well, it WAS being reported on nhl.com….. soooooo…..

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha ha I just love how every remotely witty comment on Nucks Misconduct or Pension Plan Puppets gets a rec.

by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 1, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2009/12/3/1184945/image-fanshot#comments

This was the post that I first saw rec. My god 54 recs thats a lot of rec. 18 thumbs up. REC THIS SHIT UP!!
“Just looking forward to playing some hackey in a good hackey town like Taranta”

by Rod Blogojevich on Feb 1, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That thread of comments looks like it was written by a bunch of sugar high ten year olds. Haha.

by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Leaf fans in denial,.

Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.

by CofRed on Feb 1, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I rec’d both you and Rod B. Nice analogy SOV…laughing my ass off when I went back and read it with that perspective. Nice find RB, those fans are rec’ing machines!!

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

OMGZ! Rec’d lulz

by Resolute on Feb 1, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

my response to j.l’s take (which i commented there, but thought it worthy of discussion here):

my biggest question is this: who in their right minds (as a fan, teammate, coach or GM) would be satisfied with a player coasting along at 70% ??? the cliché is, of course, 110% every night (unless you’re markus naslund, then you cap out at 100%), but in my world i want a player that’s doing everything he can to help the team win. if dion has been holding back +/- 30% of his potential for the past two or three seasons, then good effin’ riddance. i think i’ll like this new #3 better. if dion wants to give his “all” in the big smoke, then good for leaf fans….

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t mind Phaneuf giving his 50-70% if he was getting paid 50-70% what Darryl signed him for. That’s the ONLY issue I ever had with him – way too expensive for what he was giving to the team. Under 5 mil and I’d have loved him to stay on the Flames with his current play.

by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Bob McKenzie was attributing that percentage to Phaneuf not in terms of effort, but of potential. Certainly, there were games, far too many games, where it looked like Dion Phaneuf was only giving 50-70% effort, but you better start shaking your head really, really hard if you think that was exclusive to Phaneuf on this team.

I would say that there were certainly more games this year (and less last year) where it looked like Phaneuf was giving the cliched 110% than say, one Jarome Iginla, or one Olli Jokinen. All this talk of Phaneuf taking nights off is lacking reflection on everything we have discussed this year, and the relative efforts of all our “big-dollar-men.”

Dion Phaneuf should not have had to bear the burden of being both the big-scorer and big-defender on this team, and luckily for him, I guess, and for all of those who begged for this trade, it won’t have to be that way.

by LawrenceS on Feb 1, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

the tell tale sign for me was in the Hawks game. Im not sure if they showed it on TV but after a whistle Kopecky was giving Dion the business in the corner and he just stood there and took it. I was screaming “Hit him back”!!!! Seems to me he lost that mean streak that made him dangerous

by DarrenZ on Feb 1, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Everytime someone tries to fight him, he probably gets horrifying flashbacks to the time he tripped while challenging Ruutu.

by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree…this attitude is in line with what i posted below.

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the guy did give his all unfortunately. Playing for Keenan did him in big time. Couple that with the rapid rise to superstar status and celebrity and you have a guy who is giving you 70% when he thinks he’s giving you 100%. Subconsciously the fact he “made it,” probably played heavy into his development and preparation. Then you have the rumors he parties a lot and it lends itself to the fact he probably isn’t mature enough to comprehend why he is sucking wind when he is trying. Face it, after he got the contract and fame, he had nothing to motivate him. Its like those kids whose parents buy them a Porsche for their first car…what the hell do you have to look forward to? Hopefully for him, cause I do like the guy, the pressure and scrutiny in Toronto will get him to re-evaluate his place in the league and he will progress into the player we all were expecting as Flames fans. Apparently, Team Canada didn’t really want to have much to do with him….what do you think that says? As he is right now and with that contract, the only place he belongs is LA…not Anaheim…LA. But their management isn’t so dumb anymore…and probably wouldnt of offered Daz any useful pieces.

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with that for the most part. If the Flames had gone BSutt first, THEN Keenan, the younger fellas (aka Phaneuf) might’ve been prepared for the whole free-wheeling thing by now. I imagine it depends a lot on the type of player he is, though. For some guys, the contract might be the motivation, but for a lot of them, to quote Heat, “the action is the juice.” I can’t imagine being THAT good at something, with that much potential, and just phoning it in; if you’re in the top 0.01% of hockey players in the world, there’s some solid motivation to make a name for yourself based on your abilities (or at least the stats that come with them) as opposed to just getting a ton of money.

by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

You see I don’t think the culprit was “phoning it in” because he had a big contract. I think a combo of the quick fame, press, celebrity, and contract made him comfortable mentally and in turn everything adjusted itself accordingly. Something or someone needs to light a fire under his ass…this trade might be it. Obviously it wasn’t going to happen in Calgary, he might become deaf to the Sutter tactics. You know not all of those kids who get Porsches as their first car aren’t hardworkers…they just have a level of comfort to their life and have to dig deeper for motivation. They aren’t always grinding and trying to stay afloat. I see maimster just posted below and talked about the contract…my point isn’t solely about the contract…its about all the outside factors that kind of all seem to happen at once (the contract being one of them) for him.

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

In that case, I agree entirely. It’s too bad he had those issues in dealing with it (although most people that age would); everytime I think of the stalled development, I think of Crosby, though – very similar situation (minus the celebrity girlfriend), but he handled it with excellence.

by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

great comparison in that sense with Sid…at that point…it comes down to the human being, their upbringing, and mental makeup. Crosby obviously is a different individual that has processed all of this and made himself better because of it. This difference in personality is what makes him great though. Remember Crosby took a paycut to win…plain and simple, that’s a different type of cat right there.

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. Lucky, lucky Pittsburgh.

by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Ironically, I think the best hockey he played as a Flame came right after he signed the big contract, like it was a weight on his shoulders that was released. Unfortunately, that didn’t carry over to the next year.

by maimster on Feb 1, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Any idea what a player would do to get his number once he is traded to a new team. I read that Phaneuf is wearing #3 and Exelby has changed from #3 to #7. Does the team just take the number from Exelby or does Phaneuf “buy” the number from Exelby? If Phaneuf is paying how much does it cost him?

by Keith M on Feb 1, 2010 3:42 PM PST reply actions  

Did you see mckenzie reported that it was suggested to phaneuf that he take number 24 after the TV show? Those people are really something else In leafs land.

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by KingJafi on Feb 1, 2010 4:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

From what I’ve heard, numbers tend to be a seniority/reputation thing to a great extent. Since I’ve never even heard of Exelby I’m going to assume he’s not exactly an elite-level player, so when Phaneuf, one of Toronto’s two current ‘franchise’ players came over, he probably straight up offered his number to Phaneuf.

by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that’s right. Remember when Owen Nolan came to town and robbed Sandbox-extrème Stéphane Yelle of #11?

by neuromancer_ on Feb 1, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Just one question.

What does any of this have to do with Kris Chucko?

by DarrenZ on Feb 1, 2010 3:57 PM PST reply actions  

Phaneuf on OTR

“I’m excited to be a Maple Leaf and I can’t wait to get going …. "
Repeat this 20 times.

http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip262059#clip262059

by Calgarian in SJ on Feb 1, 2010 4:11 PM PST reply actions  

Good lord hopefully it doesn’t go through

by M F on Feb 1, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

….and if it does, hopefully it’s not the last move.

by walkinvisible on Feb 1, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

As per Darren Dreager Twitter

Flames-Rangers trade very much alive. Could be finalized following Calgary’s game with the Flyers. Keep informed.

by LawrenceS on Feb 1, 2010 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

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