Sutter Steps Down, Jay Feaster Named Flames GM
by Hayley on Dec 28, 2010 11:38 AM PST
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PrintAfter an eight-year reign as Flames' Head Coach/General Manager, news broke this afternoon that Darryl Sutter has stepped down from the position, leaving Assistant and former Lightning GM Jay Feaster in charge for the interim. Many Flames fans have been calling for Sutter's firing/resignation for quite some time now, but many also believe that Feaster is not the man to lead the charge after this season and would like to see Darryl replaced with a younger, more progressive hockey mind tuned into the "new NHL," post-lockout.
Sutter's tenure has been marked by both good and bad. The team made the playoffs in five consecutive seasons under his management after nearly a decade of futility, but it will most likely be remembered for his playoff failures and panicked moves (trading Jokinen, bringing in Staios) with his cap heavy, veteran laden team stumbling down the stretch last season, eventually missing the post-season and sparking more intense calls for his disposal. More to come following the team's press conference at 1PM MT.
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To summarize:
1. Darryl gone=good. Feaster in=bad.
2. If this was a “firing”, the entire staff would be done.
3. Players may be moving soon.
We are just as far away from the basement as we are the playoffs (at least points wise). I don’t anticipate movement/trades, but King may shed light on some questions @ 1 PM MST.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 11:44 AM PST reply actions
Agreed on everything except #2 (in Justin speak, answer B). When a new permanent GM is installed, they should be given the ability to build their own team. At that point everyone would be reconsidered and the dead weight (um… say everyone with the last name “Sutter”) can be chopped. Not much point in firing the scouts, coaches, etc. right now.
IDK…there is an attitude at the Dome that is unlike anywhere else in the league, except perhaps New York. Besides, if we just got rid of the Sutters, we’d have -180000 people working for the Flames. That’s the way math works, right?
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure about the folks at the Pocketdawg stand, but we’d definitely have to restock the ushers and beer vendors.
BEEER HEEEREEE
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
HAPPY TRAILS DAZ!!!!
Though the one thing I wanted to happen and the one thing I didn’t want to happen has happened. Feaster is not the answer. This guy can patchwork his way through this season…but the Flames need to hire fresh come the end of the season. Feaster is old guard if you ask me…he is a guy who was hired by Daz and Co.
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Agreed on all points, good sir.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Hayley…panicked moves….can you say trading Phaneuf to the Leafs (of all teams) for spare parts. That sealed his fate for most fans. For the record, I wanted him out in April of 2009.
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Every trade he’s made since the start of last season could probably be classified as a panic move.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
It started for me after the cap/roster fiasco at the end of the 08-09 season, but trading Phaneuf was probably his last move that had any real purpose.
WI has been on this for a while also. She considered the 08-09 season a failure and the 09-10 season Darryl’s “mulligan year”. And I don’t know my golf courtesies so well, but I’m pretty sure you don’t get a mulligan on a mulligan.
When you golf with me, you have as many mulligans as you want.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
nope. 07/08 was the failure & cap fiasco. 08/09 was the mulligan. shoulda been gone long before signing olli and ivanans.
by walkinvisible on Dec 28, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
The 15 player incident was 08/09. 07/08 was the year we lost to the Sharks, 06/07 we lost to Detroit.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
you’re right. i forgot what year this was.
by walkinvisible on Dec 28, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
You’re not starting to get all Staios on us with your memory, right? ;)
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
DAZ IS GOOONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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That’s what that noise was! Man, your voice carries a long way.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Is he still head of hockey operations, or whatever that title was?
by SmellOfVictory on Dec 28, 2010 12:12 PM PST reply actions
I don’t think anybody’s really sure what his title/standing with the org. is now, but we might find out more in the presser. He stepped down as VP/GM
He was VP of Hockey Ops. From my understanding of how the org works, I think he’s completely done.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Is there a way for me to listen to the presser. Fan960 stream is down for listeners in the US due to WJC restrictions.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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Check calgaryflames.com, they might have live streaming. I’m at work at the site is blocked.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Fan960 is blocked for you or CalgaryFlames.com is?
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
He knows he and his reign is over.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Fuckkkkkkkk. Total and complete control for Feaster?
KING YOU FUCKER!
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:20 PM PST reply actions
Well he’ll get it for now. You have to assume everyone shits the bed at season’s end. No way an American is leading a Canadian franchise (except for the Leafs that is…but we all know they are idiots).
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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But they are going to let him evaluate the team and put together long term plans. Sounds a little more concrete then I would have liked.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
That is as long as K Squared is around. Something had to happen before the New Year. Firing Butter or trading Jarome was not the answer. Daz was the likely choice. But I highly doubt K Squared will spared. I have seen worse though.
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It depends what they do with Feaster. I could see KK staying if Feaster does (which may be the worst possible outcome).
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I truly don’t know. As much as I hated what Sutter did…I just can’t make a judgement on that yet. He was so bad in TB.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
There is no doubt its better. Feaster is still “acting” GM for the moment, I think the ownership has an opportunity to rework the whole program. I don’t believe he has “total and complete control”, trades and contracts are going to have to be vetted.
If it is merely oversight, then that’s fine. The way they are talking, it sounds like it will be a little more in depth.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Meh, I’m not reading anything into that just yet. Sounds like he’ll be given every opp to be the front runner though. I mean they need to signal to the league that you can deal with Jay.
This is a good point.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Why doesn’t King just come out and say it? – He asked Darryl to resign because of the stuff the blog community has been saying. :)
I think wi might get credit for it then.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
i’ve said it alot but mikeH wrote the backlund house article.
by walkinvisible on Dec 28, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
bout damn time
that is all
Mike Green in regular season- Norris Canadiate. Mike Green in Playoffs- Nowhere to be found
I thought we was talking about Feaster there.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I’m half paying attention, at work…just an assumption.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Long term decisions? You mean like signing Olli Jokinen to a contract that’s 2 years too long?
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:30 PM PST reply actions
i thought he should of stepped down after getting joiken back. stupid stupid stupid.
Mike Green in regular season- Norris Canadiate. Mike Green in Playoffs- Nowhere to be found
At least Daz cant fuck up trading Jarome….we can blame Feaster for that…
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please don’t suggest that. :(
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
no way. does he trade jarome. no flippin way
Mike Green in regular season- Norris Canadiate. Mike Green in Playoffs- Nowhere to be found
he has complete control…but if he does, I will lead the parade to go tear down the ’Dome.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
IF HE TRADES HIM. IT BETTER NOT BE PITTSBURGH OF WASHINGTON
Mike Green in regular season- Norris Canadiate. Mike Green in Playoffs- Nowhere to be found
He’ll probably trade him to Columbus or somewhere where they have absolutely nothing to offer us. Scratch that…Jarome has a NMC to prevent idiot moves that guys like Feaster and Daz make.
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If Jarome is traded-a LARGE if-he’s going to a playoff team, one with a legit shot at winning the cup. Full on NMC for Jarome.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
That’s the point, its not like any GM (including Darryl) could waive Jarome’s NMC, so any trade is going to be with a contender. So Jarome would be going on a cup run and the return in that situation should probably be good enough that it may make sense.
At this point, I think it’s more important for the fan base that Jarome gets a shot then a good return on a trade. At least that’s the way I feel.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I’m just trying to keep winding you up. A few more points on your blood pressure and I think your head might explode. :)
My legs are shaking pretty badly as it is. :)
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Feaster is probably the one guy who shouldn’t have ever gotten a serious NHL job back. The Flames…ie K Squared and Daz…hired him…now they’ve made him relevant again. No way this guy remains as the long term GM…that is unless they make it to the Stanley Cup Final.
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JERMAINE! ASK SOMETHING SIMPLE!
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:32 PM PST reply actions
So…where do you go from here, Daz?
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rec’d
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Ooh…that was an excellent question from Jermaine. Legit. King is going to look like an idiot here.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:34 PM PST reply actions
what did he ask?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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“What makes Feaster better then Sutter to handle this situation?”
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
No way!! He asked that?? That is an absolutely brilliant question. I would have asked that too. K Squared is such a proud individual…can never admit fault. It’s sports…sometimes you have to buddy.
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He did, and King tried to dodge it & failed.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Mental well being. Darryl Sutter? I can count the amount of times he smiled on one god damned hand.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:38 PM PST reply actions
Presser after winning the West in 04.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Tampa Bay was an audition dumbass….you fucked that one up. Thankfully for them…Stamkos was on tap when you ran the ship into the iceberg.
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Seriously. Look at his draft record.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Is he goon who picked Alexander Svitov with the 3 pick in the draft in 2001?
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No, that was Dudley.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Well one thing’s for sure…Feaster took a Stanley Cup winner and drove them straight to the #1 pick in the draft….drafted the obvious choice and then got canned. That our guy for the time being. Youpi!!
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Here are some classic liners that I’ve picked up so far:
Ken King on Darryl Suter: “He did an exceptional job of taking us to the point where we now are.” (Yeah…no shit….you can say that again.)
Ken King on Jay Feaster: “‘Jay brings to the table a number of qualities that are different than Darryl’s. Not necessarily better, but different” (K Squared…do me a favor and write down what you just wrote…then explain to me what the fuck you are talking about?)
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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Feaster: “Importance of surrounding yourself with good hockey people”
Doesn’t sound like the rest of the Sutters are going.
sad lol.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Case in point…why Feaster is a joke…he doesn’t know shit and he is a puppet of the Sutters. The guy is 100% grateful they gave him a shot in the first place…of course he will be all over their jocks.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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Does that mean he’s still in control somewhere….somehow? It reminds me of De Niro’s character in Casino. They just switched titles around…but he still was calling the shots.
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I believe that is the only reason they hired him actually.
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Still a lot of BS coming from him about work ethic and the team being able to beat some of the upper level teams in the conference though.
Honest Question
Which is the real Brent Sutter as a coach? The guy who was awesome in the WHL, WJHC, and New Jersey or the guy who’s killed the Flames?
I honestly don’t know and am slightly biased so I want to hear some opinions.
Ryan
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We are going to have to wait now to see. 15 or so games and we will know if Darryl was cause or coincidence.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know about this. I think you can already separate the problems of each brother. The construction of the team isn’t helping Brent out, but he’s definitely made some mistakes. Plus, nothing is going to change in the next 15 games in terms of personnel.
If anything, it might give Brent a chance to open up the locker room to having a little fun sometimes. Darryl seemed to be a bit of a wet blanket.
The team should have enough talent to make the playoffs with a good coach. If they can be over 0.500 down the stretch, that is at least a good sign.
Ryan
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I guess it starts Friday, then.
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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 28, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno… all of the above?
Let’s be honest about Brent’s tenure in New Jersey he took over a division winning team and when he left they were still a division winning team. He didn’t make them worse is about the best you can say.
fair point.
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I will thank Darryl for what he did for the org, but it was time. Good luck, you puckered, vindictive, narccistic and short-sighted (insert insult here).
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Very true. You can analyze every deal he’s made over the past 7/8 years and the success or lack thereof of the players drafted under his guidance, but there’s no questioning the fact that, aside from maybe the last two seasons, he worked to revive this franchise and for that, we have to be grateful. There’s no telling where this team could be had it not been for the successes of 03-04. He may have been given a few too many chances and he undoubtably made mistakes, but he can’t be faulted for trying, which I think is an important thing to remember.
Glad we cut the cord sooner than later….but its about a year and a half overdue. Personally the first sign of distress was the way the Flames lost to the Mighty Ducks in 2006. So he’s had his chances since then. I don’t feel bad one bit that 4 and half years later he was cut loose.
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Na Na Na Na
… well you know the rest. TGhanks for the cup run in ’04, get lost.
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