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Is Trading Regehr the Next Logical Move for the Flames?

Let me start by saying, that the article below is based on opinion and speculation, not on some random rumor I've heard by talking to a GM's mistress or third cousin in a shared cab or at a pub.

The idea comes from two sources.  First, I was listening to the Illegal Curve radio show from this weekend.  One of the on-air hosts (I believe it was Richard Pollock) mentioned that Regehr may be the Flames best trade piece for a "rebuild" behind Iginla.

Second, we've actually discussed this topic here on M&G back in the summer.  I wrote about potentially trading Regehr as a method for the Flames to get under the cap.

Now before everyone gets their guard up and says Regehr is indispensable, let's take stock of the Flames season so far.  The Flames are 14th in the Western Conference and have to compete with teams like LA and San Jose who are also trying to make the leap into a playoff spot.

According to this article in the Toronto Star, 77.5% of teams in a playoff spot by American Thanksgiving make the playoffs.  This encompasses every season since 1993 so it's at least taken over a fairly long timeframe. 

While the Flames could still make the playoffs, let's be realistic and say that it's unlikely.  And unfortunately, they currently have more cap space committed to next season than any other team in the NHL.  It's time to start thinking about improving the team for the long term, not for a playoff push.  If that's the case, it may be time to move some established veterans for valuable, young, cost-efficient assets.

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The guys on Illegal Curve specifically mentioned sending Regehr to Washington in return for someone like Eric Fehr.  That could have been a potential deal in reality, and one that would benefit both clubs.  However, with the Capitals recent acquisition of Scott Hannan for Tomas Fleischmann that opportunity is probably dead.

Potential Trade Partners

Most importantly, this can't be a panic trade like the Jokinen deal last year.  Regehr is still a serviceable player and whatever the Flames get in return can't be a long-term handicap for the club.  The return needs to be high draft picks or solid NHL-ready prospects.

Back in the summer, the three potential trade partners I recommended for Regehr were Washington, San Jose and LA.  At this point, Washington has already satisfied their need and will be unlikely to move another NHL-caliber forward.  However, if they could be persuaded to give up a prospect like Evgeny Kuznetsov, then maybe it could work. 

LA may or may not want to add a defenseman.  They have obviously been discussed at length as a viable trade partner to move Iginla and that could always be a second move to jump start a rebuild, as much as sentimentally I would hate to see it happen.

I still believe that San Jose would be a good destination for Regehr.  They are talented enough on the front end to make a playoff push and could use a good shutdown guy like Reggie.  Given how tight the Sharks are to the cap though, they wouldn't be able to absorb a contract like Regehr's.  If the Sharks were willing to part with Logan Couture, the Flames could also take on Niclas Wallin to make the cap hit work.  Wallin will be a UFA this summer, giving the Flames some cap flexibility beyond this season.

The primary benefit for the Flames is a prospect like Couture and the cap relief in the summer.  For the Sharks, a top defensive pairing of Dan Boyle and Robyn Regehr would be compelling and gives some relief for players like Vlasic to play second-pairing competition.

Another viable trade partner for the Flames might be the Montreal Canadiens.  With the injury to Andrei Markov, they should be looking for a top-4 defenseman if they're serious about making another deep playoff run. 

The difficulty in making a deal with Montreal would be cap space again.  With only $1m in cap room, the Canadiens would have to give up some salary.  Obviously the Flames shouldn't be in position to take on a dead contract value and don't want to tie their hands for the future.  One potential asset I see that fits this mold is Andrei Kostitsyn.  His cap hit is $3.25m this season and he's an RFA at the end of the year.  Kostitsyn is a solid possession player (8.15 Corsi per 60) and does it playing top 6 competition.

Another return from the Canadiens that would fit the bill is Lars Eller but the Canadiens are unlikely to part with him given that he was the key prospect in the deal that sent Halak to the Blues.

Lastly, one last option for the Flames is to find a team with a lot of cap space and give up Regehr for a package of draft picks or possibly just as incentive for that team to also take on a cap-killer contract like Ales Kotalik.

Regehr's Real Value

One reason that it might be time to trade Regehr is that his perceived value may be higher than his actual value at this point.  Reggie has built a reputation around the league as a physically tough, shutdown defenseman.  For years he lived up to this reputation.

Recently, however, his value seems to be slipping.  From a GVT standpoint, Regehr's Def GVT has been steady since 2002-03.  He has scored as low as 4.8 and as high as 7.8, which is consistently a win above average despite playing top competition.  Where he has slipped however is on the offensive end.  His Off GVT has slipped from being slightly positive in years past to -2.6 in 08-09 and -1.3 in 09-10.  It appears that this slip is driven by the fact that he isn't the same possession player he once was.

This season marks the first time in the last 4 seasons that Regehr has been a negative possession player (-6.24 Corsi per 60).  He is facing the toughest competition of all Flames defensemen, but he has been in that role for years.  And while he has been matched up against the other team's best, he still is starting more shifts in the offensive zone than in his own end (53.0% Zone Start).

Obviously the downside to trading Regehr is giving up a defenseman who is currently working well on the top pairing with Jay Bouwmeester.  And frankly, they are a great stylistic fit for each other, with no other d-man on the Flames capable of providing the same physical presence that Reggie does, except possibly Corey Sarich.

In the end, savvy GMs move players on their downside for players on their upside.  They ensure they have cap flexibility in the future while providing a reasonably competitive team in the short term.  If the Flames don't show the ability to surge up the standings soon, it may be time to start looking out to next season and the ones beyond that.

Poll
Which option is best for a combination of the Flames present and future?
Keep Regehr and aim for the playoffs
61 votes
Move Regehr for another NHL veteran
6 votes
Move Regehr for a young NHLer
152 votes
Move Regehr for AHL prospects or draft picks
124 votes

343 votes | Poll has closed

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I don’t know if Sharks management covets Regehr, but their fans sure do. I’ve had more than one email from SJS fans/writers over the last year or so asking what it would take to pry him from the Flames.

Couture would be a good target. He seems to be a quality youngster.

by Kent Wilson on Dec 1, 2010 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

Completely agree. And that’s the type of player the Flames need to start targeting, not muckers and grinders. There’s not enough skill at forward and very little upside at this point.

By the way, I really enjoyed your “Team Positives” article. Good insight on Gio, I’ve noticed the shot block totals as well.

Ryan

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by SO_RyanP on Dec 1, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Cheers. Every so often, I look at the bright side. Not that often though.

by Kent Wilson on Dec 1, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Flames could also take on Niclas Wallin to make the cap hit work.

And wi would faint every time there was a shot of him & Gio on the bench.

I just don’t see how trading one of the core four (well, three, unless Lanks comes back) and keeping the other two/three is a good idea. The Flames defence without Reggie would be a joke, our goaltending aside from Kipper is a farce and if you were to take Iggy out of the forward core you’d have at least 2 players (and depending what you think of Stajan, 3) playing way above their skill level in terms of PvP on the top 6. This is the situation that has been built by Daz, and the only way I foresee any of these guys being moved is if ownership decides its time for a rebuild.

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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 1, 2010 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

Oh I agree that removing Reggie is going to make the defence worse in the short term. Trading Iginla does the same thing for the forwards.

That said, the current team isn’t getting it done and the spackle that Darryl tried to put over the cracks isn’t hiding anything. The team isn’t winning and frankly doesn’t look like it will. It may be time to at least get value for a few players that won’t have that same value in a few years.

Ryan

Matchsticks & Gasoline, Sports Opinionated, Pink Shirt Wise Guys: Italian Soccer Podcast & occasionally even Puck Prospectus. Apparently I have commitment problems.

by SO_RyanP on Dec 1, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Not yet

I was advocating this last summer – moving just about everyone but Iggy and rebuilding with youth, but with the NTC’s it is difficult. I like the idea of trying to get some high level prospects, and you should for Reggie since he has 2 more years at a reasonable cost, but I’m not sure he would ever agree to move. If, after Christmas we are still 13th or 14th and 10 points out, it wouldn’t hurt to ask him and Sarich if they’d like greener pastures, but I do not hold out hope.

The reality is that the only current marketable assets without NTC’s are Tanguay and Glencross, and to a lesser extent Hagman, who is both more expensive and signed in to next year. You still have a bunch of veteran salary tied up at forward with Langkow (if he plays), Kotalik, Jokinen next year, but the following year has only Iggy, Stajan and Bourque under contract. You need to acquire and develop assets that can play in 12-13.

by PrairieStew on Dec 1, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

What in the name of all that is holy.....

Why ? Why would he do such a thing ? No one else was looking at Tanguay – why did he think he needed to do that and hamstring himself ?

I give up. At this point, firing Darryl Sutter is pointless, because his successor would not be able to do anything for 2 years anyway !!

Play out the string this year and next with this expensive and old group and hope for the best. Leave most of the prospects in Abbotsford, cause you’ve got 17 guys already signed next year. Hope fervently that one or two forward prospects develop in time for 12-13. Give Brodie a full time spot next year to replace Steady Steve and maybe Erixon the next year to replace Sarich.

by PrairieStew on Dec 1, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Ill defend Darryl on that. There is no way a guy is signing a one year contract on the first day of availability without getting a ntc of some form in the contract. Especially a guy like Tanguay who needed the minutes gauranteed in a sense, because he is using the one to showcase himself. Same thing with Olli. The only way he signs that particular contract coming back to this market was with a NTC of some sort.

So Darryl had no choice unless he chose to not sign the guy right away. At least he didn’t give one to Morrison.

by Domebeers.com on Dec 1, 2010 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

At least he didn’t give one to Morrison.

Thank god for that.

by Hayley on Dec 1, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Poll Results So Far

So far close to 80% of the people who voted seem to think that moving Regehr is a good move. That actually surprises me and probably means more people are realizing that the current team just isn’t getting it done.

Ryan

Matchsticks & Gasoline, Sports Opinionated, Pink Shirt Wise Guys: Italian Soccer Podcast & occasionally even Hockey Prospectus. Apparently I have commitment problems.

by SO_RyanP on Dec 1, 2010 9:51 PM PST reply actions  

If you can get Couture for Regehr...

…you do that immediately. I highly doubt the Sharks would be interested. I’ve seen Couture play several times at the junior level – he’s a special talent, and one that wouldn’t come cheaply.

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by Jevant on Dec 2, 2010 6:01 AM PST reply actions  

wallin is a stop-gap at best. 100% sure the guy will retire at the end of the year, unless he gets some massive offer out of a cup contender.

by walkinvisible on Dec 3, 2010 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

But then Brodie can play top pair minutes!!!!!1

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by Justin Azevedo on Dec 3, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

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