Flames trade comments spill over...
by Kent Wilson on Jan 31, 2010 8:55 PM PST
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...this isn't over with, so we might as well move the comments over here.
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The last thread crashed my brand new computer. Luckily I am a nerd and have more than one, so I can carry on uninterrupted!
haha! Good news…
we’re at about 1000 views per hour right now, so I’m glad the network has good servers.
I wonder why everyone is coming here? Word must be spreading on yours and Robert’s good work!
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
The Network does a great job of getting links and such out there. Plus, I think Calgarypuck is down.
Oh hell, it wasn’t like these trades made any difference. That excellent post yesterday on what would happen if the Flames lost to Edmonton was what opened the floodgates. ;)
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
Kudos to ya for staying on top of this
Sounds like Rob Kerr is signing off the radio station. Hehehe, “you can take the rest of the night off, Rob”
fyi: when you broke the last thread (the dion trade) i was over there by myself wondering where everybody went. :)
Oh, sure! I go and post my wittiest post of the night and you close the other thread right on top of it! ;)
So, what’s the coles notes version if we end up with Kovi?
Also, is there anyone else on the Rangers who fits the bill if the NTC is what is holding things up?
Truly a very nervous time to be a fan of this franchise.
Basically a Jokinen for Kotalik trade is on the surface, trading a half a year of piss-poor sub-standard NHL forward-ing for two and a half years of the same.
If Sutter converts that into something worth anything on an NHL roster… then he’s either the luckiest son of a bitch ever or he’s figured out some grotesque inefficiency in the NHL trade market that has heretofore not been capitalized upon.
By the way, I had a dream last night that sent Phaneuf and Bourque and Backlund to Columbus for Nash.
Now I’m not a fan of Nash’s upcoming contract even though I think among the “long terms” it’s one of the lesser scale of high-risk. But surely that trade would’ve been better than what would transpire if this Kotalik trade goes through and nothing else happnes afterwards.
a little shocked on today
Can someone give me a quick primer on Flames fans reactions on the days trades and what lies ahead for them (i.e. Kovalchuk?)? Thanks…
I’m pretty sure the Flames just got a lot better, which isn’t good for Nashville at all….
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I think the Dion trade has gotten some mixed reactions, but Calgary got three NHLers for one. I think the fear is that Dion becomes a real number one Dman, and then you’ve basically traded a dollar for three quarters, which is never good.
This other stuff? Ask me again when it all shakes out. Kovalchuk is an all or nothing play, IMO.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
in short: we don’t like the Kotalik deal if it stands alone, even though we none of us are fond of Jokinen.
So I’m watching Futurama right now (the episode where Fry blows up the giant brain), and I just got to the point where the brains says to Fry “A quantum interface bomb- are you insane in the membrane?”
If this doesn’t work out, someone should’ve said that to Darryl. He’s hitting the Flames with a quantum interface bomb.
Kent...
Great stuff today Kent. I worked a 12 and without the radio and twitter, I would have died. Busy day of catching up on some reading here tomorrow I had my tweets
BTW, I’m not a writer, or even a wannabe blogger (well, maybe lol). I was asked if I’d do game summary’s and decided it might be fun (which is why I try and keep it fun & light-hearted – Ken Williams). I didn’t even read blogs all that much a year ago, but this has been a frequent stop on my list in the past 6 months or so.
kotalik
Looks like its a Limited no trade clause. We’ll see what that means
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 9:07 PM PST reply actions
Typically means he has a list of teams that the Rangers can’t trade him to.
Basically, Edmonton and a couple other places he doesn’t like.
why in the fuck does he have a NTC. Jesus murphy
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
Sportsnet guys said that he has 3 teams he cannot be dealt to, including Calgary
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder what that implies. Maybe he submitted a list the day he signed the deal? I don’t get it
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
and maybe the reason it’s not totally dead is that if you circumvent the calgary bit, atlanta would be fine ?
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Huh. I guess ATL is another one on that list then, becuase he would never suit up for us.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
How could people not have known this before we got to this point, is the question…
Ahem.
Slats. is. an. idiot.
That is all.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
As a young Habs fan, Elisha was crushed by the Flames 1989 Cup victory. On 1/31/10 she finally got her revenge.
Sean: So, you’re telling me you’re behind all of this and not Daz?
Elisha: Yep. It’s been 2 years in the making and you almost ruined it all with that sloppy seconds comment.
Sean: Well thanks for getting Daz to go after Kotalik. That guy sucks. I heard the Joker is pure entertainment!
Elisha: Without a doubt, he’s a real jester.
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by KingJafi on Jan 31, 2010 9:07 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Ha, I got banned for trying to post #3 in my series. It will be up momentarily.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:08 PM PST reply actions
“You have been banned from SBNation.”
I spammed the submit button becuase my computer is ass slow. W/e, I’ll get it all figured out tomorrow.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
This is all too much for the brain to process. Anybody going to the game tomorrow?
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
How is Kerr back in a studio? He was just in his kitchen.
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This is a recording.
The thread below this one is suddenly just 289 comments long. I think we’re stressing the system here folks.
All the comment totals look screwed, and it looks like actual comments are disappearing. I checked the PPP one, and there were at least 9 comments before. Now there’s just one from Parallex.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Everything that branched off of one of Justin’s comments are gone. Looks like the system deletes all posts by a user who gets banned for spamming.
Let that be a lesson to you, Justin. Spamming doesn’t pay! ;o)
Haha. I will have to figure that out tomorrow.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Should be able to get them back if you get unbanned.
But, the fact that I am doing tech support here at 10PM on the weekend, and not getting paid for it, means it is time for bed. Caio all.
As the old Chinese curse says: May you live in interesting times.
It is quite interesting my FanShots are still on the sidebar, even if they don’t appear in the actual “FanShot” section.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
will Stajan/Hagman/White/whoever
be in the lineup tomorrow for the Flames?
This really puts the onus on Nashville right now…Calgary and Anaheim just got much better.
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They got Blake and cap space for nothing.
In other news, Scott Burnside is an idiot. (re: Phaneuf trade)
Blake actually does, IMO
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by Chris Burton on Jan 31, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Hey I’m a Rangers fan, you guys don’t want Kotalik, if this deal goes through I hope you flip him for something else…guy is brutal.
God I hope this deal doesn’t happen we don’t gain or lose anything.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
How on God’s green Earth does that get you a Kovalchuk rental? No other team in the league can come up with a better offer than that. Nothing’s making sense this evening.
Get yer red hot Kovys here! Pennies on the dollar!
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 31, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Sure. You know with every finger you point at someone, there are four pointing back at you ;-)
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
No kidding. After this morning, the last thing I would have expected was this sort of demented follow up.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
if you can get Kovy for that
Then Nashville should’ve sleeping outside Waddell’s house to offer Hamhuis and Santorelli!
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by Chris Burton on Jan 31, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
he's our most tradeable guy
In the right place would be a legit top pair guy. I’d say he’s better than Phaneuf…
Unfortunately the Flames don’t have anyone to send back. Well, maybe Hagman…
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by Chris Burton on Jan 31, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
i thought peverly was your most tradeable gu….. oh… wait….nevermind.
;)
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
ouch
The funny thing is, our biggest need right now is a playmaking center.
That’s Rich Peverley.
Ouch.
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by Chris Burton on Jan 31, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, we got a good look at Ales II last season. Has his uses but has serious weaknesses. Not worth anything close to $3 MM imo. e.g. Hagman >>>>> Kotalik
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 31, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
I don't get any of this Kotalik stuff
Seems he should have little to no value – the Rangers recently sent him home. He’s signed for 2 more years. And he’s not that good. And what has Higgins done in the past 2 seasons – F all. WTF.
This vid seems somehow apropos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0
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today is definitely a day i’m glad to be unemployed. i can stay up all night, here.
also ? thusfar today the only thing i’m bummed out about is keith aulie. at some point (3am ?) i’ll do a proper post over at mine with my thoughts…
we’ll see i guess. i thought he looked pretty good in the wjc last year (of course, he was playing with tyler myers).
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
hey, does anyone know matt stajan ? is anyone going to the airport at 6 am to meet the redeye ? SOMEONE needs to tell him that taking #14 is a very bad idea. i’m seriously nervous about this…..
i told strombo to track him down and tell him. if anyone can find matt stajan’s phone number, it’s that guy. i traded the dinner he owes me for the favour…. theo effin’ owes me.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
He won’t. The organization wouldn’t let him, anyways.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
i hope not. it’s unspoken at this point…. and he’s too young to know better (?)
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
I’m 18, yes. Here is the third in the series, if you would like:
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
PRICELESS.
I can’t believe I haven’t been banned for posting so many pics tonight.
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not bad. the original is better…… but… what is burkey holding ? looks like the wrapper from a hershey’s kiss.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
So, funny story, I was supposed to put together my “Flames top 20 prospects” list for Hockeys Future today.
that might be how the flames ice a lineup tomorrow
That would be good for the Flyers. We have this consistency issue. Maybe you’ve heard about it.
Good on the Flames for taking some big risks to (hopefully) improve the team. But at least you’ve gotten some offers you can live with, like 3 NHLers for one (as opposed to, say, Mike Smith for Claude Giroux).
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
why don’t you just go off of the “in the system” list on flames.com. then you can talk about tömi mäki and anders eriksson, in addition to keith aulie.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
I think Kent should make up a prospect a la Taro Tsujimoto on the list. At like #16 or something. Say he was signed after being undrafted.
øtt øtt mälomünchen. that was a player i made on nhl06 once.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
Damn. I thought it may be some obscure double entndre.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah right now…no one is safe except McBackup.
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not even. we heard hedberg was gonna come over in the alleged kovalchuk trade.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
All this Atlanta talk...
…maybe if they were flipping Kotalik for Armstrong. That makes some semblance of sense.
How does Joker feel if he’s traded, and then not, based on a no-trade clause by Kotalik. ?? What a day to be a Flame.
About the same as Ference felt getting told to get off the bus outside the hotel, his bags were already on the curb?
didn’t ference have to pull his own bags off the bus ? that was the version i heard. then lydman drove him to the hotel.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
btw, you gotta talk to Duncan, given his interest in both the buds and flames, I wanna read a post on his perspetive on the trade before we get rid of two of the assets we acquired.
i did speak to him this morning and he swore he would write something in the next days about the climate in toronto post-trade (fans & media) as well as his thoughts on it. so we’ll see i guess.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
ps: his interest in the buds begins and ends with the fact that he’s surrounded by them.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
are you kidding? wendel clark ? dude, duncan is as big a loob fan as me.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
I predict that this is all a part of Sutter trying to get Frolov from LA, while LA takes Kovalchuk from Atl.
More than three, it’s just called an orgy, IIRC.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
I up you. 42 team deal.
We even got some guy from the Lativan league.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
How about a multi-team, multi-sport trade?
To Flames: Kotalik, Callahan and Derek Jeter
To Rangers: Jokinen, Prust
To Yankees: Avery and a 2nd round pick in 2011 from the Flames.
To Thrashers: Jeter and Kotalik
To Flames: Kovalchuk
To Braves: Jeter
To Thrashers: Braves owner buys 50% stake in Thrashers.
Likley being the poor typing form of “likely”, that is.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
us square-eyed folks never would have noticed.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Likley being the pro Latvian player Calgary is getting in the trade orgy.
by SmellOfVictory on Jan 31, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
also could be the fact that gio is sleeping soundly…..
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
if gio gets traded this season, i’m no longer a flames fan.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
what if Daz decides to pull a Ricky Vaughn and resign Daniel Ryder…i know, its a low blow…but the way he’s been acting today…it wouldn’t surprise me. he has all sorts of tricks up his sleeve.
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Willis just tweeted that the hold up is the Flames are insisting on higgins OVER Gilroy. no way, right?
My reply: “Whatchu talkin’ ’bout, Willis?”
by SmellOfVictory on Jan 31, 2010 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
He’s one above Slats and Murray on the GM intellegence scale.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
I’d rather take Del Zotto than Gilroy.
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Larry Brooks thinks that the switch from Gilroy to Higgins came after the Toronto trade, according to his twitter, so who knows?
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Well I’m out guys and gal.
Here’s to a confused dressing room tomorrow.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
and some tired dudes wondering wtf, i would imagine.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
ps: i think sarah’s still kickin’ around. so it’s probably guys and gals. ;) but g’night !!!
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
I am indeed. I should be thinking about bed, new job starts tomorrow, but see above re: train wreck. Even though nothing’s happening tonight, I still can’t look away.
I’m sticking around, if only for the reason that I’m still working for an hour, ha.
I think the fact that the trade hasn’t been made by now suggests for sure somthing else is up. If it was as simple as 2 for 2, it would be done by now.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:45 PM PST reply actions
the flames should perhaps put the players names on the front of the jersey as well, just to eliminate any confusion
Chuck a couple ads on them too. Someone’s gotta be getting overtime after today.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Solid work today Kent. Reading and posting on M&G today has been a pleasure. I think it's safe to say none of us expected any of this when we woke up this morning.
Good night and good luck.
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What’s the consensus here – is there a plan?
Kent and Res and RC think there’s a trade after the Kotalik one. I remain unconvinced, Kotalik is a shiny dime in the Jokinen mold.
i just don’t know if i think that daz (and the daz hubris) would trade a first round pick, and then turn around and trade that guy for kotalik. it seems…. wrong. even for a gm.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
There has to be a plan. the shine has been off Kotalik for awhile. Plus there’s simply too many bodies in town.
too many bodies is another reason i think there will be more action. though technically we’re fine right now until guys come off of IR (if we ship backs back to abby)
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
With three on IR, everyone can stay for now. 14 (17-3) F 7 D 2 G = 23
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
I would not be surprised if Conny stays on the IR for the rest of the year.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn’t sure if that had been mentioned in this thread.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Like I said above, if it was that simple, then it would be done by now. Plus, something like this pretty much negates any cap room that could be use to sign the guys we picked up earlier.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
I hope there’s a plan. Saying I’m absolutely counting on it? Maybe not. I know if they make that move they need to dispense with 3 forwards other than Backlund tout de suite.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
technically, bob, they’re fine right now. even with backlund on the big club.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
(until dawes, moss & conny come off of IR, of course)
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Meanwhile Leaf fans Rec every second comment at PPP
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They must be funnier than any of us
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
You have to have something when your team sucks.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Tried to rec this, don’t think it worked.
by SmellOfVictory on Feb 1, 2010 1:51 AM PST up reply actions
is this sarcastic? I can never tell with you.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
look at that Actions button next to reply
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
I think it is like a way of giving props for a great comment
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
I just rec’d you WI congrats
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
hm. i never saw that there. what does rec mean ?
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
So I was talking about double entendres earlier? We found one, apparently. haha.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
oops the apostrophe messed that link up.
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The one thing i dont understand is those Green comments that come up with a thumbs up next to it. Maybe thats like multiple Recs
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
a great moment of realization is had.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
There definitely has to be a trade to get rid of players but I mean more in the “vision” aspect of it – what type of role is Sutter trying to fill? First line rental scorer? Long term difference maker?
If he is really going for Kovalchuk then at least that’s a plan. A stupid plan but nonetheless there is direction.
Acquiring Kotalik is just adding headache for the sake of it, no direction there.
Why waste Joki’s 5M opening by filling 60% of it with Kotalik? Especially with Bourque and likely White (No idea on what Stajan will do) needing pay raises?
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
The “why” is a good question, the reason it needs serious answering though is because the exact same question could have been asked of the Jokinen trade last season.
I understood the Joker move as part of a coherent, if flawed, philosophy. Sutter wanted a big scorer down the middle. Joker kinda had history in that role, but not against good players. That’s a misjudgment of his ability, but the premise wasn’t totally wrong.
Kotalik, on the other hand, fills no role on the team. You can’t even dress that up.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Well at least Sutter is basically admitting it was a bad idea. I was suprised when he said that its not a good strategy in his presser to overload with high priced stars while cutting decent depth
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
Well, things better unfold quickly cause they’ll want this madness sorteed before the Flyers game and these guys gotta get on planes. (That’s assuming the GM’s had an agreement)
well the thing i find interesting is that “trades like this aren’t reactionary” and have been going down for days. which makes me wonder why either GM would want this to go into tomorrow.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
So the consensus is:
The Joker-Prust/Kotalik-Higgins deal is a precursor to a larger deal and there is no way Daz does it if it isn’t.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:00 PM PST reply actions
also, what do you guys make of darryl saying his reason in dallas was to “round up bad guys” with the texas rangers (ie: total bull) ?
I thought it was funny, but I don’t expect anything that we would want from there that they would give us, save Turco. But he makes way too much money, so….
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Until today, one of their young forwards. No clue now.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
which part ?
i totally realized that you logged in as j.a2. funny. i had to log in as WI once.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
The part where you had a created player who had the same name as some ass on the Stars.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
but it’s pronounced different cause he’s norweigan. oh, and he was awesome.
(ps: i think about my norweigan finesse guy whenever i hear steve ott’s name)
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t you hear? No kovalchuk. we traded Joker for the entire Czech league.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Its much more complicated. HC Davos goes to the KHL, Ak Bars Kazan becomes property of the Czech goverment, and Jokinen has been installed as King of Svvvvveeeedan.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
(you DO know joker’s a finn, right ?)
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
You have seen the details of this deal, right? I hardly think getting a Finn installed as King of Sweden is goign to be a problem for Darryl if he’s got the rest of it pulled off ;)
she had a dream about the King of Sweden
he gave her things that she was needin’
gave her a home built of gold and steel
a diamond car, with the platinum wheels
I think Cab Calloway had this covered.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Robert, I was wondering how a Jets fan like you gets turned into a Calgary fan and not a Phoenix or Edmonton fan?
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
Ah.
Well, the second the Jets left, I quit caring about that organization. I don’t hate the Coyotes, I’m just completely indifferent to their fate.
As for the Oilers, I hated them back in the 80’s. The fact that they killed the Jets all the time might well have factored in to that ;-), but still, I couldn’t stand them. When the Flames and Oilers met in the playoffs after the Jets were eliminated in those days, well, I wouldn’t have cheered for those greasy fuckers if hell froze over. The Flames were always my second choice team. I mean, how could I hate a team that the Jets were able to beat in the playoffs, right? So it was a bit by default, but here we are.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
Ah. My Uncle, who lives in Winnipeg, is a Jets fan who now cheers for the Yotes, so I was just wondering.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
There are still some people who go that route, but there’s a mix teams that get support now. I think there are a few folks that hate the Coyotes outright, although that may be just as a placeholder for their dislike of the Commissioner.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
I do but I was too lazy to google a finnish team. Besides, in his first act as king Svvvvveeeedan annexed Finland, so he’s technically Svvvvvveeeeeedish now anyways.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
Nah. The king took them out of the tournament. He was quoted as saying that the format they were using works 100% of the time 60% of the time, so he naturally couldn’t be involved with something so successfull.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
have i mentionned how much i like you guys ?
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
yeahh…. i like you guys.
my post is up, btw. not that it’s gonna tell you anything you didn’t already know.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Steinberg just re-tweeted that Kotalik is supposedly waiving his NTC. Deal to be announced tomorrow.
So Kovie is a flame, right? RIGHT?
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
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by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Much appreciated…. isn’t NHLSourcesSay generally regarded as being very Eklund-like? Or am I thinking of something else?.
Past record shows hes between Dreger/BMac and Eklund. Take that as you will.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
That’s a chasm wider than the Grand Canyon…
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by jealous broadcaster on Feb 1, 2010 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
BTW, There were 7,977 visits today for a total of 13,302 page views. The next closest day this month was 1800/4100.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:37 PM PST reply actions
wow. my page hits tripled…. i probably should’ve written something, hey ?
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
No one in the “coventional media” is talking about Kovie right now, but everyone knows that something is up. No way Sutter keeps these many mid-level forwards. He can’t just based on the roster #s.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:44 PM PST reply actions
Has Backlund been reassigned to Abby yet? I’ll be pissed if Backlund is shipped of as part of a package for a rental.
With the 3 on IR, they don’t need to do anything just yet. They only have 14 healthy forwards.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
It’s pretty funny that we’re playing Philly after a major trade. Remember last year how Jokinen scored 2 goals against them in his first game as a Flame?
I think CP literally exploded, there were so many of those asinine “jiz in my pants” pictures. Not that I don’t enjoy that sort of comedy (the song is brilliant) but the level of stupid in Flames fandom that night was off the charts.
History repeats.
No, I think CP literally exploded today. I wanted to see the epic meltdown but all I see are busy server messages.
So many hockey sites were put into the ICU today based on traffic. It was redonklous!
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe so. I just hope Karl Marx was wrong.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Also I am now listening to Eric Duhatschek’s interview on the FAN (recorded earlier). I’ve seen him get praise being cutting edge or a good hockey eye or whatever but damn the dude does not know what he is talking about, not in the fucking least.
Especially when he talks about “serviceable NHLers”, I don’t think he knows what the term means. Not that I think that the forwards we got tonight are necessarily more than that but the Hat does not know what either “servicable” or “NHLer” means.
It depends how well Stajan does, and how much development he still has left. White and Gio are one and the same, at least on the surface, so I wont worry about him, and Hagman is established as the vet who gets you 25-30 goals. And Meyers is garbage, so we don’t really even have to include him. I think all three will do well, just not as well as Dion will.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not really about the individual players but the language the Hat is using. He’s talking Norris trophies and free agency. The first illustrates a gross misunderstanding of how hockey games are won, the second illustrates a gross misunderstanding of how hockey business is conducted.
And the above is simple stuff, at least the language of it is.
If you asked me what The Hat’s M.O. is, it would be representing what passes for the serious side of the conventional wisdom in the MSM. He’s not a public buffoon like some of the TV guys, but if you’re looking for hockey’s version of Joe Posnanski, it’s not him. He’s a good reporter on the general zeitgeist of the league.
As for serviceable NHLers, I doubt that a few GMs could explain the concept of “replacement level”, so my expectations of the press aren’t all that high.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
That’s fair. I can’t even think of a guy who delves into hockey truth in Canadian hockey MSM, maybe Ron MacLean will reference MC every now and then but that’s not asking the questions, and IMO asking the questions is just as important as finding the answers.
These MSM guys are failing us tonight though. Aren’t they supposed to have connections? That’s what they’re good for. All we have on this Kotalik thing is contradicting rumors.
Yeah, I’m surprised that the Joker trade went public, but from how things seem to work, if an organization is a bit leaky, and I think the Rags qualify on that score, stuff like this happens where somebody might jump the gun. It shouldn’t, but it does, and the Heatley deal was exhibit A. That doesn’t absolve the media guys, btw. They still have to do things correctly.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
And I’m out. Tomorrow is definitely another day. Don’t blow the place up.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I’m off. hopefully by the time I wake up tomorrow teh interwbz won’t be blown up. Night all.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Jan 31, 2010 10:56 PM PST reply actions
Totally off topic: I have just realized that the Avs have lost three in a row. Are they not getting timely goals and working their ass off defensively anymore?
Im actualy going to the game tomorrow night with Dave Marcoux (former goalie coach) Ill ask him in the morning
cool. drop a reply here or a comment over at mine. :)
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
(i thought marcoux was employed by the habs… ?)
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
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I woke up this morning hoping the Kotalik trade was not going to go down. All hopes have been dashed.
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sounds like
They are just back to the drawing board. Apparently Sutter DOES want to get rid of Jokinen.
No clue why… ;)
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and the place goes nuts… as did Darryl apparently. Wow, not sure how to voice on it all, but I will reserve judgement until the wild swings being taken here are completed.
cause its a bad trade and the owners just got wind of it. their memo to daz: hiring keenan is one thing, but there is no way we you are keeping your job because we have to evaluate a joke/prust for kotalik/higgins trade in the next season.
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Peter Marher was on Lite96 this morning and mentions two things he is hearing for the stall:
1. Kotalik has given the Rangers a list of three teams he’d accept a trade to, and Calgary isn’t one of them.
2. The Flames are apparently asking for more in return.
ok…so that means there isn’t something bigger coming. he’s simply trying to move the joker and his contract and get a decent return.
ps. i don’t dislike Sutter…im just sick of the fact that everytime he might be canned, he makes some bold move to save his job it seems. what happens if all of this doesn’t pan out and the flames don’t make the playoffs?
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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Frankly, I don’t think he has once made a move to save himself from getting canned. I also don’t think he has ever come close to being fired in the first place. For better or for worse, his big moves have been made to try and push this team deep into the playoffs. Unfortunately, they haven’t worked yet, for various reasons.
And the Flames asking for more could still mean something bigger is coming. Something else definitely is coming yet because of the number of bodies we have, but asking for more now could be the result of team #3 asking for more themselves. Dreger is reporting that there might be a third team involved in this all of a sudden.
fair enough, i might be a little more critical than deserved but i personally think the only time he’s been close to being fired was last summer…and he saved it all by getting his brother to come and coach and the bouwmeester signing also helped a lot.
"Where do you go from here, Dion?" "I go to Toronto."
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I had the worst dream ever last night.
The Flames dealt a bad hockeyplayer with an expiring contract for an even worse player that is signed for 2 more years.
Pleasebeabaddream. Pleasebeabaddream. Pleasebeabaddream.
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From Jim Matheson (Edmonton Journal)
Yesterday’s paper before the Flames deal(s)…
Guess we were wrong to bang the drums for Ales Kotalik here, ragging on the Oilers for not going harder to keep the free-agent winger. The Rangers, who gave him a three-year, $9-million deal, sat him out six straight games. He’s reverted to how he played in Buffalo before coming to the Oilers. The spirit doesn’t move Kotalik enough. Heavy shot from the point on the power play, excellent in shootouts, not so good elsewhere.
“no one seems to know why Calgary is stalling on the Jokinen trade. has a 3rd team surfaced?”
From Dreger. Hopefully that third team is Atlanta.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 8:25 AM PST reply actions
Don't see Sutter ripping his team apart trying to get a Euro who hasn't played with Iggy.
What I do see is the Flames going hard after Lecavalier or Carter……Past experience with Iggy, both playmakers as opposed to a one man team in Kovalchuk…….Sarich used to play for TBay, anyone think a package including Sarich gets sent to Tampa for Lecavalier? Just trying to make some sense out of all this………..
I think we all agree that this trade dosent happen if its not part of a larger deal. It’s just Kotalik’s NMC is screwing stuff up right now.
by Justin Azevedo 2 on Feb 1, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
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