Flames To Trade Jokinen and Prust for Kotalik and Higgins - "Maybe"
by Kent Wilson on Jan 31, 2010 7:19 PM PST
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According to TSN. Details to follow. We'll sort through them as they come.
Rumor is this is precursor to another, even bigger trade.
UPDATE - Dreger says the trade is now Jokinen and Prust for Higgins and Kotalik. We'll wait for confirmation before getting into the guts of the thing.
This seems like a done deal, so let's look at the pieces. We all know Jokinen and Prust around here, so here's what we're getting:
Ugly stats line. Especially ugly considering his $3M contract. Kotalik is a guy who has teased GM's for years given his size, hands and cannon of shot. Truth is, he's stunk at ES for a long time. He's useful on the PP and in the shoot-out and that's about it. He has to be heavily sheltered in order to be effective.
The slight positive is: he's had some dreadful luck this year, so those counting numbers aren't quite indicative. A PDO of 93.8 is about as bad as it gets for an NHLer.
That said, Kotalik is a por bet to be a value player considering his price and history and he's signed for another couple of years. He's a...curious player for Sutter to trade for to say the least.
Once upon a time, Chris Higgins was a tough minute option for the Montreal Canadiens. He's also scored more than 20+ goals a couple of times in his career.
Unfortunately, he seemed to step into an elevator shaft at some point in the near past. He hasn't been that useful for the Rangers, who originally acquired him to be a top 6 player. One part of explanation may be the percentages: his PDO is just 97 and his personal SH% is 4.5 - which is about what you'd expect from an average defenseman. That said, he's in the red in terms of possession on the Rangers and is an injury threat besides.
Again, not a guy one would expect Sutter to look at. The real good news is: if Higgins sticks around, his contract ends this year.
Overall, it's great to get rid of Jokinen and bummer to lose Prust who was starting to look pretty useful. Higgins and Kotalik don't really improve the Flames and Kotlik's contract is a problem. Personally, I'd bet there's another shoe yet to drop.
UPDATE 2 - Darren Dreger now reports that the Flames haven't okay'd the trade for some reason. Deal not official yet.
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Holy shit balls batman
You and WI better effing tell us what you know/knew at some point.
i only heard outbound players. there was more of them. we’ll see where this ends, i guess……
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
Do we get to hear
With whom you spoke to hear this juicy info.
by canadiancolts on Jan 31, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
is this a good time to hope that prust wasn’t one of em ? i think it is…. god damn i hope we hang onto prusty…..
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
i don’t understand this from Calgary’s perspective. how much cap room are we talking about saving on this one?
Unrelated but.....
It looks like D.Sut could have had a V8.
Between all of the posts, this place is going to top 1000 comments across all of the stories. Busiest day in M&G history?
I know. John at RawCharge was keeping me up to date on the numbers (he’s a geek for that). He was wondering at 10AM why traffic was still so low here. All I said was “Its only 10AM on a Sunday, everyone is asleep. Give it a bit.” Then BOOM! Everyone shows up at once. lol.
He was atrociously snakebit for about 30 games and it completely shot his confidence. Couple that with playing in his hometown and he just never got going.
He’s still a good PK player and forechecker, and the scenery change may be the tonic.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 31, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
When KW and I were emailing this evening, we were talking about Joker and spare parts being on the move. Here is the full quote from my first message:
If Kotalik was UFA after this year, he and something useful (Dubinsky) would be OK. The problem is, he isn’t a UFA, and for those three guys, it’ll likely be Rosival or Higgins with Kotalik, and that would be stupid. Olli’s fucking terrible a lot of nights, but guys like Higgins and Kotalik are really fucking terrible, and Rosival’s not much better for a pile of dough. The only guys on that roster I’d countenance are Dubinsky, Staal, and maybe Callahan.
If there isn’t more to this, I stand by that 100 %.
no surprise here, i guess. but sadness.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
I really gotta lay of the crack. Can you believe that I was hulucinating to the point I believe the Flames traded Phaneuf and The Joker on the same day??
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It has been quite fun today.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
honestly…what the hell is going on today? is daz on a crash mission to save his job??
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absolutely. either daz is smoking it or he’s turned his job into an ps3 game….
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NHL10 didn’t accept it. I just tried.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Darryl Sutt: Hello Don, what players in the NHL do you want for Kovi?
Don Waddell: Nice to hear from you Daz, actually I don’t want to trade Kovi.
DS: Well if you wanted to trade for him…what would you take. Do you want the Joker?
DW: Negative on that clown. I dont know really, I like that guy Hagman in Toronto and that Kotlik guy in New York…come to think of it…I also like Matt Stajan and I’m a fan of Chris Higgins.
DS: Hmmmm interesting…
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God, I hope not. That would crush them.
Cgy
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Tor . . Atl
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Fail. Basically, Atl and Tor are on par as far as overall suckiness.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
rumours don’t usually come from nowhere. i’d suggest kovalchuk. and i’m realllllly interested in how daz can justify this all when wingers don’t matter in teambuilding, while olli is a “great, big centreman.”
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Should have figured that out last February, but yeah.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
That “Oh Shit” face on the picture you put at the top must have been taken the moment that D.S. realized that…
“Maybe pizza for dinner… HOLY SHIT I TRADED FOR A USELESS PLAYER OMG”
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
?
But he is a big body presence (Sex Panther)
by canadiancolts on Jan 31, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
WI & Kent
Of the names that you heard how many are now still with the flames (assuming prust & joker are gone)?
Sounds good. Second rounder should do it. Don’t want to come across as greedy.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
i love peverly. he’s my old roommate’s first cousin. he’d totally be staying at my house when he arrives. :P
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
this is crazy!
multi multi deals in the same day
So is the deal Joker and Prust for Kotalik and Higgins?
Lines as of right now (Yay no more Joki-Iggy)
Hagman-Langkow-Bourque
Kotalik-Stajan-Iginla
Higgins-Boyd-Moss
Glencross-Conroy-Dawes
Lundmark-Nystrom-Mcgratton
Mayers
I actually like Chris Higgins. But there is no way that you are bringing all these new bodies and creating a cohesive team come playoff time.
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They do have 2 weeks. You can get a lot of team bonding done in that time.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
this trading is absolutely the craziest shit ive ever seen in pro sports. do you think ken king is giving him a thumbs on all of this?
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It’s not King. It’s the ownership, espically when the trades involve almost 30 million dollars.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Higgins has been the whipping boy of NYR all year. Brutal this year. UFA as well
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 7:44 PM PST reply actions
He’s another guy getting beat up by percentages in NYR.
No way the Flames keep all these guys. No. Way.
i am too overstimulated to think anymore
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
well, i’d said that daz would never trade jokinen and he did. i also presumed daz would never give up a first rounder and he did … that said (as much as i have questionned daz’s sanity) there’s no way he loses a first round draft pick for kotalik and higgins. someone better is coming. absolutely 100% we have more outgoing players and someone flashy coming in.
or Daz goes full kamakazi and trade Iggy
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Then I become a fan of whatever team he goes to.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
also an implied NMC, in that the city would get burned to the ground.
by Passive Voice on Jan 31, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Which is even better than the real McCoy, IMO.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
They would have to go to Springbank to get his house. He lives across the street from me. Plus, the ownership would never let him do it.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
And why would they? It’s puzzling. If Daz gets Kovy or comparable, he’s a genius.
If not, he’s an idiot of epic proportions.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
i just have to think there’s something more. if it ends here, that’s effed.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
if it doesn’t end here….and the Flames dont start winning…and they don’t make the playoffs…does daz get to keep his job?
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Not likely. If he goes really big and it blows up on him, he’s in a total cluster. He’d have to go.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
Brent would go. Either he would be fired or he would leave out of protest.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
Wow. If he gets that done, he gets everything we need. If the Flames cant win with what they have+that, they never will.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
Just out of curiousity since I’m not too familiarly with Flames minor league assets, etc, but what sort of package could you guys offer that you think would be worth that in return?
by Beantown Canuck on Jan 31, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
well the flames do have 6 new players on the roster as of tonight lol
Backlund? Kotalik? Higgins? Hagman?
Backs goes down, Kotalik and Higgins gone.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
None. They will all be gone by the end of tomorrow. Maybe not Sarich, tho.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, he’ll get over it. As long as he dosent play like shit while he is. Besides, Hagman can help him cope.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
You’re only allowed 23 roster players. At this rate, Calgary will need to make a three for one just to get down to that.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
If we send Joker+Prust and then another (probs Moss) with Kotalik and Higgins for Kovy, it evens out, right?
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
by Passive Voice on Jan 31, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe. The collection’s kinda in the “dogs playing poker” realm at this point, though.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe the Flames are going to apply for an expansion team to play out of Airdrie? We’re certainly collecting the right type of players for such a new franchise.
HA
I used to live in Canmore and played vs. Airdrie a bunch of times. They never beat us, but they made sure they took 50 minutes in penalties per game.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
I'll say it again. Somewhere this man is laughing.
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Keenan works for Michael Landsberg atm.
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Self-proclaimed Douche Michael Landsberg, at that.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
Look at that ’stache. Look at it!
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Came over to ask what you guys think of this trade?
By the way, the chosen drinking game of choice at blueshirt banter is “higgins misses the net.” Believe me, you’ll hear it a lot if this happens…
Unless
This is part of a bigger one it is a meh reaction. A bad salary that would come off this summer for one that will take 2 more years I am not a huge fan.
by canadiancolts on Jan 31, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m personally not thrilled about getting Jokinen, but Sather loves that 8th playoff spot in the East. And I would be confused too if I was you guys. Its been an interesting day to say the least
We don’t really have the pieces on defense to get past the first round of the playoffs though. I mean, Wade Redden, need I say more? lol
Redden never should have left Ottawa.
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by Chuckles Canuckles on Feb 1, 2010 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
Better put him on the point when on the PP, and let Dubinsky take every tough even strength matchup, because Joker can’t handle more than middling comp.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
Sure. I still think he needs to be a second line option if you did that, but at least his slipshod low coverage wouldn’t get exposed as much.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
Little warning, you guys should NOT use Kotalik on the point. He has a blazing shot, be has is the laziest backchecker ever. He has single-handedly given up shorthanded goals.
I watched his act in Edmonton last year. He’s terrible, full stop. I wouldn’t want him under any circumstances, to be honest. The only plus is Calgary has three capable PP defencemen in Bouwmeester, Giordano and White, so he’d never see that spot.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
God knows we need help there.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Well, your PP isn’t exactly world-reknown right now.
Ales could serve some use playing the wing on the PP and having guys setting up the cannon.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 31, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
you guys seriously think any combinations of these guys for kovi?
mayers
stajan
hagman
kotalik
higgins
that just looks like a bad bad trade…let’s face it…daz is trading for new players for his roster…not a superstar…
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The Flames have way too money forwards now. I don’t know if it’s for Kovie, but something else has to go down.
No one wants Mayers, and I hope we keep Stajan and Hagman.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
Of course it is a bad trade. But so is this deal. And Sutter is smarter than Wadell!
/faith
//faith
///faith
////how the hell am I left hoping we get Kovalchuck?
crazy day, eh?
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I’d rather have Jokinen & Prust TBQH.
Was Darryl Sutter told to take drastic measures or get fired or something?
here are the tradeable guys (IMO):
sarich
pardy
mcG
nystrom
mcE
kippy
lundmark
johnson
kronwall
stajan
hagman
mayers
conroy
moss
higgins
kotalik
debateably dawes and glenX.
package up a couple of those dudes and send’em. it’d be a good deal for kovalchuk as a rental, IMO.
*kindly remove kippy from that list, please and thank you.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
that was obviously a cut n paste job that i accidentally overlooked. relax fellas….. ;)
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
that is an oopsies if I’ve ever see one.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
Kipper can’t go unless there’s a number one goalie coming back, and I don’t mean Kari Lehtonen either.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
wi…please remove mcE…daz will never part with him…he is the hidden gem on the roster….
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for me its a case of who ISNT tradeable. iggy, kipper, jaybo, white, gio, robin and really, not much else IMO
i had more than that: bourque, ian white now, boyd, backlund….
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Boyd because you don’t want him to be traded? I think sutter demonstrated how attached he is to some of his players today.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
’Twas a mistake via ctrl+v
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
lol…. i wonder who the eff they have slated for the cover ?!? could be a collector’s item.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
Daz and Brent. They’re the faces of the franchise. Take that as you will…
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
i was about to say that i am no longer so excited to go to the panthers and lightning games this weekend…i won’t even recognize the damn squad…its gonna be like a summer charity game put on jarome iginla…only thing missing will be jason priestley and alan thicke…
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haha, the funniest thing is I was going to do the Flames/Oilers post-game today.
No chance of that. Christ, I still have to tally the scoring chances.
rob kerr said the deal wont go down officially tonight, according to dreger
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 8:18 PM PST reply actions
From that link:
And that reason, I’ve been told, is that the complications that arose last night are still not yet resolved.
Wonder if that has to do with Kotalik’s NMC. Wonder if Kotalik won’t go to Calgary, or not right now—ultimately he will, for $6+ million reasons.
i wonder if kotalik won’t go to atlanta……..
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
That seems the most logical explanation, eh? Sutter intends to flip him, but thanks to the NMC, he has to agree to go both to Calgary, and to wherever we want him to go.
well, perhaps he’d go to calgary but not atlanta. i wonder who leaked this shit ?
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
The Blackhawks sure know how to fuck with the Flames.
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3rd funniest thing I’ve seen today.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Via Dreger now:
Trade call is unlikely tonight. Sounds like the Flames are holding this deal up. Working on why.
Either Daz wants Prusty to stay or Kotalik won’t go to ATL.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
Trying to nail down the ATL deal before they pull the trigger? They don’t want to be stuck with Kotalik and Higgins if a Kovy deal tanks.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
If I’m flipping those two for Kovie, I want every safeguard possible to ensure we dont get fucked somehow.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Unless they’re flipping him, no doubt about that.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
Man, the only thing missing from today is the round the clock coverage on TSN. i.e. No amusing Pierre McGuire malaprops.
Speaking of which…
http://twitter.com/ShitMcGuireSays
this cracks me up
http://uranowski.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/world-jrs-pierre-mcguire-drinking-game/
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The one thing I’d worry about is, if this deal falls through, then what? I know these guys understand the business, and all of them have been traded in the past, but I just keep thinking back to that clusterfuck the night the Oilers thought they had a deal for Heatley. That was some damned amusing reading on Lowetide that evening, but it isn’t the sort of thing that you want to have involving your team.
Yeah…finding out you were traded…and then having to play for the team that was trading you is bad news.
that’s ugly. just ask cogs, penner & smid.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Cogs still hasn’t recovered.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 31, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
fine. let’s trade jokinen for penner then.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Nah. Tambo’s still in assessment mode. Maybe in a year or two…
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Penner was fine until Hemsky got hurt, and he’s still OK, and very droll, which you need to be when your team is in the shit every night.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t worry about it. Joker can’t play any worse, can he? And Prusty can use all that anger to make other people bleed, so…
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
Well I did predict a deal for the Flames and Rangers but it’s not what I want. Higgins and Kotalik are okay but we still are missing a draft pick and maybe a backup deal.
Don’t wait for TSN go listen to the Fan 960 there in on this all.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
I would but I work at a radio station, so I don’t think it’s a good idea to be listening to another one, lol.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Man, I go out for two hours, and this happens! It’s taken me 20 minutes to skim the thread, and I still have no idea what’s going on.
Basically, Joker is gone, which is good, Prusty is gone, which is bad, the two guys we get back are not that good and we are hoping for a flip to ATL for Kovy.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Have to admit I don’t understand this trade at face value. The Kotalik contract looks like an anchor, why pick up 2+ years of that when the Jokinen pact at least has the benefit of expiring in 2010. Can’t see Kotalik helping the team more than Jokinen this year either.
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word was that kotalik was headed from here to atlanta for kovalchuk
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Don Waddell is even dumber than I thought, then.
… which is pretty effin’ dumb.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 31, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
At face value, Bruce, I totally agree.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
i don’t think anyone really believes kotalik would have ever laced up his skates for calgary.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
UPDATE 2 – Darren Dreger now reports that the Flames haven’t okay’d the trade for some reason. Deal not official yet
And hopefully don’t. Unless it’s part of something else (Lecavelier. That deal sucked. Seriously, even in his current suck mode Jokinen is better then Kotalik.
we’re all guessing it’s because kotalik wouldn’t agree to go to atlanta. which makes the trade dumb for calgary.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Becuase Sather is a fucking moron.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
No. The post game vs. the Sharks is my vote. That video does so much in that situation.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
i have an essay due tomorrow morning and its 20 to 11 here… not likely im going to be getting started for a little while either.
PS: If anybody knows anything about islamic nationalism i the 1920s, send me a message.
ohhhh dude i think you’re screwed there.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
In all honesty I still dont get why the Flames want Kovalchuk
Hes not resignable AT ALL. They arent going to win the cup this year. Why would they do this?
Whale hunting. It’s an Alberta GM prerogative, apparently.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
Sutter needs to call a Lowe style presser on it though.
“I’d like to announce that we almost acquired Ilya Kovalchuk. To be quite honest though, I really just wanted to give the media a giant ‘fuck you’. Especially you Jermaine. Nice question this morning with Phaneuf. That shit was gold.”
I don’t want to do it, but…
Fuck it.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
seriously….im starting to think that’s how the guy keeps his job…makes big and flashy trades and crazy coach hirings like Keenan.
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no, SERIOUSLY ? how does jermaine franklin, with a straight face, ask dion “where do you see yourself going from here ?”
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
i think the quote is actually “where do you go from here.” yeah. that’s funnier.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
With Kovy and the guys we got, we could. Besides, the only thing we give up if he dosent resign is Prust at this point.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
indeed. if we were talking about the canes, i’d actually be able to figure that out. rangers ? not so much.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
Hagman-Stajan-Iginla
Bourque-Langkow-Kotalik
Glencross-Boyd-Charlie Simmer
Pikachu-????-
????????
I don’t F’ing know anymore
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
Don’t forget the Master Chief.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Huh, Charlie Simmer was a helluva lot better player than he is colour commentator.
He could lace up the blades tomorrow for the first time in 15 years and it would still be true.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 31, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see why Daz might not be able to re-sign Kovi. Everyone said J-Bo was going to free agency NO MATTER WHAT and Sutter locked him up for less than he could have gotten on the open market.
Having the capability to do something does not mean it is the right thing to do.
Kovalchuck wants $10 million a year. At that price, I would argue we could get two players who could score as much as he does, while providing much more in other aspects of the game.
if i’m not mistaken, kovalchuk has said he wants to test the market. with jaybouw it was presumed.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
i thought you meant $6.99 as in, the price of a shitty dvd at walmart.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
At some point we may have to split this thread in order to accommodate the comments.
That is…absolutely nuts.
ah would you mind? Mmy computers about to blow up
by Rod Blogojevich on Jan 31, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not even going to try.
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
Most of the scuttlebutt floating around is about some kind of package to get Kovalchuk, but there have been murmurs about Lecavalier as well. Is it possible that Sutter is acting so bullish about the leadup becasue he has two potential deals in the works and he knows if one falls through the other will be an option?
It’s pretty damn exciting is what it is…
Kotalik sounds exactly like Jokinen. The guy could sell jeans. Great shot! All the tools! Finally some right-wing depth for Jarome Iginla!
Major pass. Whatever happened to getting real NHL forwards? You know, like the trade that some GM did today to unload a high-salary defender to get two real NHL forwards? The kind that gets blasted in the media but might pick up a point or two on the ice?
This is whale hunting.
I’m literally sick to my stomach and the players that are already here this could be a very volatile situation.
I am really scared but thank god this happened before the Olympics.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
i remember saying that i wanted more losses because it would insight change. i’m not upset in the slightest right now…. did you SEE my list of “tradeable players” ??? it’s long. (and accidentally had kippy on it) … i don’t love this team. i’m okay with this team.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
You know what I’d love to see? Sutter trading some sort of personnel for a draft pick a la Al Davis circa early 2000s.
It would make today complete in so many ways.
Trading Chucky for draft picks was the beginning of the end for that franchise. Proceed with caution Daz.
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
When I say personnel, I mean a coach of some sort. Like Playfair. Or his own brother. Purely for entertainment value.
yeah i know…Chucky = Gruden.
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
“The Flames have dealt Rich Preston to the Boston Bruins for a fourth round pick… what? We can’t do that? … you mean Preston isn’t here anymore? But our powerplay still sucks. I just assumed we still had him!. Oh… umm, how about Dave Lowry for a 3rd rounder and an athletic therapist to be named later?”
by Resolute on Jan 31, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He already traded down in the draft for the rights to his brother, if you want to believe the rumours.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Well I guess Mayers can have Olli’s 21.
Where even Dion Phaneuf can get traded. So don't think your untouchable.
they might not want to sew that on just yet. ;)
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
hey, does anyone know matt stajan ? is anyone going to the airport at 6 am to meet the redeye ? SOMEONE needs to tell him that taking #14 is a very bad idea.
Draft pick?
Personally I’d rather see a couple of trades for draft picks instead of Kotalik and Higgins. How fast the teams complexion has changed-too many forwards now. I’d like Jokinen to stay till the trade deadline and build his stock-he is in the Olympics too-typically Europeans do well with the bigger ice surface. Maybe a good showing would help his stock-it can’t get worse at this point. At this point if there is a deal I hope its a three-way-we avoid those Rangers and get at least one 2nd. round pick and another Goalie.
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