Complications have grounded a trade involving the Rangers Kotalik. A deal with Calgary? Stay tuned...
Via Darren Dreger Quite the interesting day in Flamesland.
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let’s just say if i had posted half of the shit i’d heard on friday, you guys would think i’m an effin’ rockstar.
in saying that, i’m fucking shit-scared right now. but in order to protect the not-so-innocent, i will not elaborate…. but i HAVE been dropping hints for two days…. jesus. i wonder what the COMPLICATIONS are ??!?!
You can’t say something like that and not tell us. I would get on my knees and beg but you can’t see me so it wouldn’t matter. Unless it would?
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
can you afford a brewery ? no ? bummer…..
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
Well, you did through the Sjostrom call out there, nice work.
Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.
i felt good about posting that one cause i thought of it on my own.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
*i thought of it on my own as a piggyback trade, i should say.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
I picked a hell of a week to be away from home.
If the Flames acquire Kotalik, even for Sarich as per Resolute’s post, that would be not optimal. That guy can’t play at all, and if the Rags are stuck with him for another 2 years, too damn bad for them. I’ve just gotten back to the hotel for the night, so I’m still letting the Dion move sink in a bit, but initially, the Flames for this season are deeper and likely a bit better. Whether I still feel that way in July or three Julys from now will be another matter. But to repeat, Kotalik should be a non-starter. Cory Sarich might not be playing as well as we’d all like, but Ales Kotalik is a complete stiff.
Yeah, I’m not fan of him either.
What I’ve heard is the deal with NY doesn’t involve Sarich though. Think uglier.
i am confident in saying this: peter maher said that sather and daz talked about olli.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, and this pisses me off. I want to go, relax and read, yet this speculation has me glued to my computer waiting for news. Grrrr.
well then the numbers wouldn’t work anyways for what i heard. unless this is a lot bigger than just kotalik.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
I absolutely hate to use it because it is hockeybuzz affiliated, but nhlscap.com has Kotalik at $3 million even for this season, next and 2011-12.
Yeah, the features like figuring out how much space a team has left every day until the deadline and the buyout calculator are very useful.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
3 million a year for this and two more years.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
i guess it’s too much to think that it would be kotalik for mayers, hunh ? cause i could probably get behind that.
do you know more than what i told you, or are you going off of that ?
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
then there’s a lot more to it, strictly numbers-wise. nhl approval could be the complication.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, wi, I wouldn’t even do that deal. Ales Kotalik gets paid second line money, and he can’t play worth a lick except on the occasional PP and he’s shaky even in that role.. At least Mayers is off the books on July 1. That’s worth more than Kotalik, IMO.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
i hear what you’re saying. i’m not super jazzed about what may or may not be going down right now. cause, for the record, i never heard about the return. just the outbound guys. but i think what daz did this afternoon is enough for now. there’s no reason to rush another trade…..
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
We don’t really know if this is happening or not, but one minor positive point: Kotalik has been completely jobbed by the bounces this year. To the tune of a 93.8 PDO (!!).
True. Still, dude is a minus re:Corsi against the dregs comp-wise. Pass, Darryl, pass on that guy if the Rangers are offering him and don’t look back.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I would love to get rid of Kronwall, McG and Joker at the same time. Please make it happen Daz!
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
New York Rangers forward Ales Kotalik has been sent home from the team’s road trip after being told that he would be traded.
The Rangers had a tentative deal in place to deal the winger, but some complications have derailed the trade for the time being.
It’s not known who the Rangers are talking to about Kotalik.
oh, and this kind of thing is why i hate sather and murray. there is no way this shit was leaked to dreger from the flames camp.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
i just want to make it über clear that this was really only a throwaway comment that darren dreger’s twitter made into a semi-reality. we can hm and ha about it all night but until it’s announced, player names won’t be uttered from this end.
hahahahahaha if we end up with kovalchuk i’ll fucking laugh.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
and if we end up with peverley, i’ll be STOKED.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
I’m told TSN is reporting this rumor:
Jokinen to NYR for Kotalik+prospect
Koatlik+Moss+prospect to ATL
Kovalchuk back to CGY.
well that’s actually a hell of a lot better than what i heard, somehow.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
They’re in a play-off spot currently and may be pushing for roster players more than futures.
Still, seems like a paltry return.
presuming that the prospect is a “fringe nhl defender” and not a guy like backlund.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Can that even work cap wise?
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
is that really the most ATL could hope to get for Kovy?
by Passive Voice on Jan 31, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
Expiring contract that won’t be resigning…may get a little more from some places but it is close.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
If the word is out that he absolutely isn’t resigning, that would drop Atlanta’s leverage. The other thing is his agent has been pretty clear that if he gets moved, he’s not necessarily going to be talking extension with his new club. That knocks a bit of his value down as well.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
definitely true, and i guess if they’re going for current roster players the pickings would probably be slim. i just figure they have to know that they (ATL) aren’t winning anything this year, and getting a top-end prospect or two (Teubert) would be a better move long-term.
by Passive Voice on Jan 31, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
(teubert) being just a random example; i have no idea how amenable the kings are to moving him.
by Passive Voice on Jan 31, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
No argument from me on that. I just wonder if prospects are enough for the Thrashers. Waddell is in a pickle down there, and if he trades Kovy for prospects, will those owners stand for another long term rebuild? He might need NHLers coming back to sell a deal. Then again, it’s Don Waddell, so who the hell knows.
by Robert Cleave on Jan 31, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
I cant decide if thats good or bad…
Jokinen can eat shit and moss is having a bad year but he could turn it around…
No way they resign kovaluchuk. I just dont see how. If they traded sarich, and langkow maybe…
It’s a win now team if it’s the case.
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
well you’d lose jokinen at the end of the year anyways. i guess it depends on the prospects. stajan > moss ….
So lets assume kovalchuk signs for 8 mill.
jokinen covers 5.5. sarich covers the rest. Actually that would work. Cause then you resign bourque with some of the money gained by trading phaneuf. You couldnt resign stajan though and it would make that trade look bad.
on a team that wouldnt win the cup.
Youd be giving up moss for nothing…
i could think of worse things, actually. no offense to mossy. but him and glenX both have struggled and i’d rather keep glenX.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
ultimately, we’ve got 26 guys right now (healthy and on IR):
roster guys:
jaybouw
gio
sarich
pardy
mcG
iggy
boyd
bourque
glenX
joker
langks
nystrom
regehr
prust
mcE
kippy
the fringe guys:
lundmark
backlund
johnson
kronwall
the new guys:
stajan
hagman
mayers
white
the injured:
dawes
conroy
moss
we can’t keep ’em all.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
absolutely has to. i mean, you can send backs to abby and kronwall is already there (so subtract two), that’s still a couple guys too many.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
there’s actually 27 on that list. i added kronwall last minute. :)
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
I would argue that if the Flames could get enough goals out of the new guys, a new back-up may not be needed.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
second best quote of the day, after “I GO TO TORONTO”
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
Bullshit
Jokinen isnt good but still way better than kotalik. this rumour has to be wrong because why would ATL make that trade involving NYR so they get Kotalik instead of just trading him to calgary for Jokinen Moss and a prospect?
kotalik is signed for two. he’s a sure deal. if you get joker, you might as well just keep kovy.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Joker wont want to stay in ATL. He’s played on enough shit teams.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
yeah but it’s not a sure thing. they can just as easily sign joker in july.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
although if kotalik is threatening khl, maybe THAT’s the complication. realistically, the gentleman’s deal with the KHL suggests they wouldn’t take him….
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently he is threatening the KHL if he isn’t traded.
That said, we can play along. Kotalik wants to go out west. Atlanta is not out west. So, Kotalik = happy in Calgary, but =/= happy in Atlanta, therefore = threatening to return to Russia?
yeah but russia probably wouldn’t take him. after the radulov mess there’s a moratorium on signed players…. this has yet to be tested, of course.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
As someone with Ukranian descent, all I can say is that the word of a Russian isn’t worth the paper its written on. ;)
Would we have to pay him if he defected? Becuase that would be a great deal for us.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
the prospect would have to be someone pretty good too to make a lick of sense from ATL standpoint too. If anyone could reasonably think the flames would win the cup i would say do it but they are a fringe playoff team presently. that would be a horrendous trade made by a gm who is clearly pulling out the stops tp save his job and should be fired instantly.
Flames expected to deal Jokinen to the Rangers for Kotalik and Higgins or Gilroy. www.tsn.ca will have the details as they break.
Via Dregger on Twitter.
I take that back. It makes complete sense in the “Sutter Equalibrium”. Get rid of defensive prospect, get one back. Get rid of shitty contract, get one back, etc.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
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