Phaneuf, Sjostrom, Aulie dealt to Toronto for Stajan, Hagman, Mayers, White
by Resolute on Jan 31, 2010 8:47 AM PST
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PrintPhaneuf, Sjostrom and Aulie to Toronto. Not sure on the return yet. Heard speculation of Kaberle, Stajan and Kadri. Heard speculation of a three way with Anaheim (Toronto also got Giguere). I hope it is the three-way and we got something from Anaheim, because Toronto has very, very little that I find appealing. Of course, it isn't like TSN or anyone out east cares what Calgary got, so we don't know yet.
Shocked, to say the least.
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Well, that’s one way to upgrade your offence, I guess. Nicklas Hagman’s a good player, at least in the counting-numbers, fantasy-hockey sense. I don’t watch Leafs games — they give me hives — so I don’t know beyond that.
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OH MY LORD…it has just been reported on the Flames site. This is probably the worst trade I’ve ever heard of in any sport. Ever.
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http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=515664&navid=DL|CGY|home
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Seriously. I hope Sutter loses his fucking job.
-Ian White is a d-man who, like Gio, is highly underrated and has great underlying stats.
The good stops there.
We just traded a franchise d-man, one of our best penalty killers and a great prospect for ANOTHER washed-up grinder, and two second liners who have expiring contracts. Seriously. How many second-line players do we have now? 6? And it STILL dosen’t shore up our problems-backup goalie and first liner for Iggy to play with.
fuck
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hm. i expected more of a return but i’m feeling fairly smug this morning i gotta say…. ;) i’m just hoping daz ain’t done.
If he is, he really screwed his replacement.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
honestly, this has rebuild written all over it….Burke said he would take on teams’ bad contracts and the Flames just gave up a huge contract for a bunch of guys ultimately not worht resigning in the future. this is awful. jamal mayers is the poor man’s nigel dawes.
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This is a far lesser return that I imagine when I advocated moving Dion. Hagman and Stajan are decent enough players, but they fact that they aren’t even signed through next year…
Mayers is also useless. White is decent enough defender and I like the way he’s shaping up…but…
Sjostrom is no big loss. I don’t think Aulie is either.
Wow.
Sutter must of had a directive from the top to push the reset button on the Phaneuf signing.
F’ing Brian Burke….I hope Phaneuf doesn’t become his new Pronger.
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A couple of guys getting Phil Kessel handoff points, another damn 4th liner and another mid level defenceman. What’s the point?
Hagman was scoring before Kessel came to town.
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He didn’t play much with Kessel either. He’s good. And his wife is smoking hot.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
That’s what I thought, but I wasn’t sure, so I didn’t say.
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Hagman and White
are the two main parts of this deal coming from Toronto.
Hagman was actually NOT playing that much with Kessel, nevermind that Kessel is a scorer first and a playmaker second. Hagman is a solid guy who can and will score around 25 goals every year.
White is a solid top 4 d-man who plays his heart out every shift. You will love him.
I’m guessing there was a huge problem with Phaneuf in the locker room. He asked for a trade and he got it. There obviously were further issues than were ever led on in the press. I guess the “blogger” wasn’t making up the trade request.
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I’ve heard from multiple sources that he was a problem in the dressing room. It may all still be rumors, but there’s a lot smoke for there to be no fire.
by Kent Wilson on Jan 31, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
As a leafs fan
Thanks for Phaneuf…. I am sorry that Sutter is dumb. If it makes you feel any better I will be cheering for you guys come playoff time.
Rumour is that Toskalol+Another for him.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Leaf fan here...
The rumour at the moment is Giggy + a 1st for Toskalol
It’s official: Toskalol+Blake for Giggy, according to Dreger.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Mirtle has the cap implications up. Not a big difference altogether, although the Flames save a bit of room.
for NOW. it becomes a lot rosier when you think about the next four years.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
great trade
I’’m going to go against the grain here and say that this is a good trade for the Flames (and the Leafs). Stajan and White are solid players with a lot of potential. Hagman basically IS Sjostrom with a little more scoring touch, and Mayers is a wild card with promise. All are offensive players, and this is a team that needs offense in a serious way. Phaneuf was a great character and is a solid d-man, but with Giordano, Regehr, and Bouwmeester, it’s not like the Flames are hurting on the back end. Giordano and White are both better offensive d-men than Phaneuf, so we’re not really losing anything.
Ehhhh… Stajan is a perfectly acceptable 3rd line centre (with offensive upside) on almost any team. White is definitely a solid top 4 d-man, he plays his heart out every shift and you will be VERY happy with him. Hagman is a solid second liner who will pot ~25 goals every year… Mayers is basically useless.
I wouldn’t call Mayers a wild card with promise. I would call him another useless 4th liner that’s taking a spot away from a young guy.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
So I’m going on my Flames tour de force in Florida this weekend. I will be sitting behind the Flames bench on HNIC on Saturday and wondering whether or not I should hold up a sign in protest. Something like Sutter is Burkie’s bitch. Lol.
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This isn’t directed at you specifically, but I do find it comical that so many people were trashing Phaneuf all year long, and so many wanted him dealt, and yet they are all pissed today that they got what they wanted.
What were they expecting? Sidney Crosby for a “terrible, lazy, stupid, selfish defenceman who can’t score, hit the net or play defence anymore”?
Let’s not generalize here. I know a lot of folks who were reluctant to trade Dion whenever is was mentioned. They may be the same folks who are lamenting the trade now.
by Kent Wilson on Jan 31, 2010 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, no doubt. I have a few people in mind (not here, mind you) that I am thinking of when I state that.
Ahh fair enough. Messageboard folks I assume.
by Kent Wilson on Jan 31, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
i, for one, have come to terms with it. rumour was that dion has had fistfights with iginla and bourque in the past month. it’s well documented that reggie HATED him (infact, dowbiggen just talked about this on the radio). he was lazy on the ice and his offensive productivity was more or less gone. buh-bye.
“hagman is solid,” said my huge leafs fan buddy. stajan is a solid two-way guy, and ian white is a cheap minute-eating defenseman who, realistically, is better than dion and 5 million dollars cheaper. RFA means he’s sign-able. our top 4 got a lot stronger with this dude.
it’s a shock to see one of your core guys out the door, and i’m sad for all those folks with #3 jerseys, but if you sit back and think about it we got a couple of decent players and a whole lotta cap space for an underperforming 6.5 million dollar “semi-roving” blueliner.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
For the record…I didn’t want him gone. Never suggested it. Was one of my favorite players on the team. Though I won’t hide the fact I wanted Elisha gone. And I was of the opinion that if they did trade such a marketable NHL guy that they get something significant offensively to appease fans. But cap room is fine as well I guess, if that leads to a nice signing. I’m going to keep referring to this trade as a reset on button on the Phaneuf contract.
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I would like to think I have been pretty staunch in my opinions of Dion, and I do not like this deal at all.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
I like it!
In all honesty guys Im Remotedevice on this. I think this trade is what both teams need and am surprised by the reaction. Phaneuf is not a star and will not be. White has more points this year than phaneuf all on toronto. He was a bust they needed to rid him of his salary too.
All players are signable and sutter can choose who he wants to at the end of the year. (all wont be resigned)
I think i really like it because this trade doesnt put all of the eggs in one basket. the trade for jokinen was a terrible trade because he failed and there were no redeeming factors to it. Say hagman sucks, stajan may not. Mayers will suck, white will not.
I also think this is a big big addition by subtraction. Regher should be much better with white by his side. If not guess whos next to go?
Sarich wont go until the offseason now but he will go too. They would be spreading themselves much to thin on the back end if sarich goes next
Regehr has an NMC, I believe, so he isn’t going anywhere.
As far as Phaneuf not being a star goes, he’s 24 years old and has two all-star game appearances and a Norris nomination. He still has franchise calibre potential, which is why people are unnerved by the return. If he never gets back on track, then yeah, we did well on the trade. But if the Leafs can get him back on the path he had his first three seasons – especially in the soft Eastern Conference – this trade will look baaaaaaad.
Because I don’t make a habit of assuming the future is set in stone. Sometimes a guy just gets it. Toronto might have a coach that manages to make the light bulb go on for him. Or, he might well simply stagnate.
But Phaneuf is just 24. He is not at the end of his development path.
Agreed, certainly the risk is that Phaneuf will ‘get it’ in Toronto. But, so what, really. He wasn’t getting it here and there wasn’t enough evidence that he wouldn’t get it without a change of scenery. (Oops, triple negative there!). Anyway, I hope he makes it in Toronto, honestly. I certainly don’t hate him. But, I’m still glad he’s not here.
Something that hasn’t really been discussed: Is losing Aulie going to kick us in a few years?
-Colin
We aren’t exactly hurting for defensive prospects. Sad we lost him, but hardly a loss to worry about.
Yeah, Flames are swimming in those guys. It makes sense to move one of them.
by Kent Wilson on Jan 31, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah? I never really had high hopes for him. Negrin and Brodie on the other hand…
by Kent Wilson on Jan 31, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
You’re probably right, I’m not that knowledgeable about our prospects…he just seems like the kind of player that transitions to the bigs nicely.
-Colin
i actually thought aulie would be the best of the lot (brodie aside —-too early to know). i haven’t looked at his numbers, recently, though….
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
We have enough defensive prospects that any loss of talent as a result of trading Aulie will probably be covered.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Dear Mr. Sutter,
Please do not trade Mike Backlund.
Thank you,
King Jafi
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i’m sure sutter is über aware that backlund is the only offensive prospect he’s ever drafted that has the potential on the top six. no way he’s going.
‘course, i would’ve said the same about dion one year ago.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
The fact that Backlund doesn’t cost 6.5 mil/year makes this prediction much more solid.
by SmellOfVictory on Jan 31, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I just want to note that one of our great commenters predicted something like this happening a private correspondence to me on Friday. He/she can take the credit here if they want, but I won’t name names. Kudos! Looks like your source is legit.
I honestly think White is just as good as Phaneuf too and costs way way less. That is the main reason I can get behind this deal…
White has been emerging as a legit player a la Giordano the last couple of seasons. He’s a nice piece to get back.
by Kent Wilson on Jan 31, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Better than a rental
I think this is preferable to other rumours I’ve been hearing, like Regehr for Kovalchuk. Rentals are for teams who have a pretty good chance of making a deep playoff run, not for teams who have problems with their core.
I was at a wine tasting thing last night for One Yellow Rabbit and I overheard some guy talking about how many goals Hagman scores, blah blah blah. I figured it was Leafs fan blustering, but maybe he had advance information! Guess I should’ve chatted him up…
In any case, I went on to discuss Hagman with my buddy and we both agreed that yeah, he’s a good player to have around to anchor the second line, but only on a team that has something resembling a first line, i.e. not the Leafs. What remains to be seen: will he land on the top line here?
Ruminating…
This is pretty much a rental. 3 of these guys have expiring contracts.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Holy f’ing wow.
It will take a lot to get used to this deal now I wonder what happens to Moss when he gets back. Him and Sarich for Draft Pick and a prospect maybe?
And aren’t Stajan/Hagman UFA’s at the end of the year I have to believe there is a clause if one of them doesn’t resign we get a Leaf draft pick?
At least it's not 97-98.
I’ve never seen Dion emote, so I’m not convinced this actually is the case.
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“where do you go from here, dion ?”
“i go to TORONTO.”
wow. what a stupid question.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
oh my god. what’s the “i’m very excited about being a maple leaf” count in this presser ?
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
lol. you beat me to it. that is a fabulous exchange.
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it is truly one of my favorite soundbytes of all time.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Hopefully this doesn’t mean Backlund gets sent down, he’s playing progressively better every game. Mayers is a dud, Hagman is Jokinen, positives on this trade are Stajan and White. Looking forward to seeing what they can do in Calgary.
i foresee mayers on waivers before week’s end.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
infact, i foresee more movement today.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
I agree. They do not need mayers at all. I hope he doesnt draw in before macgratton. Im quite enjoying watching him these days.
I do also think Stajan and White are the major winning pieces to this trade. Hagman isnt bad but likely will not be here after this year either.
stajan’s the UFA this summer. hagman’s signed for another couple. why would you say that ?
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Jermaine Franklin: Where do you go from here Dion?
Phaneuf: Toronto.
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as if he wouldn’t be emotional. even if he wanted out and hated it here, it’s still home. emotion is gonna play a part for sure.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
And I was saying just yesterday at the game that Dion looks like he’s coming around. I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’m going to miss Phaneuf.
At least it's not 97-98.
I like this but I was honestly hoping for more in the deal. I really wouldn’t have minded Giggy coming here.
Flames have 5.83M tied up in their starter. They can’t afford to add 6M+ goaltender.
by Kent Wilson on Jan 31, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
I was thinking just that
they need a back up but not giggy. They can get someone to better fill the role.
Oh geez. I also have a Phaneuf jersey shirt.
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collector’s item.
i’ve got a #5 gio. i’m feeling very smug about it.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Gios definitely not going anywhere now! he is their best defender msot nights. I quite like the defense actually
White-Regher
Gio-Buow
Sarich-Pardy
Sarich will go in the offseason guaranteed.
Hey, I was hours away from getting a Regehr 49 jersey to go with my Regehr 28 when Richie suffered that concussion…
well i guess im safe for now with my #4 JB jersey shirt
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hey, let’s not forget how jazzed i was about getting a sjöstöm jersey. i guess i should thank the flames for not offering the women’s cut retro or it’d be a relic already….. next year i’ll get a backlund.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
Man torontos gonna be an exceptionally weak team now. In one day they lose white, Stajan, Hagman, Blake, and gained … giggy and phaneuf?
I wouldnt be too excited about that todayas a maple leafs fan cause they dont get a good prospect to suck
My god did toronto give up a lot for Giggy actually. They honestly think hes the answer?
I get they are rivals but they should went after halak
Toskalol+Blake isn’t that much, methinks.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions
Before reading all the comments, I just have to say I really like this. I’ve said enough about Phaneuf already, but I think WHite and Hagman are both solid or better and this is addition by subtraction. The fact that Sutter was willing to trade Phaneuf is all you need to know. Phaneuf is Jovanoski, version 2.0. He was not necessary on this Flames roster, White will fit in his slot just as well, and Hagman is underrated.
I admit, now that I’ve wanted this a while that since it’s happened, I guess it’s time for the instincts to be proven. If Phaneuf becomes a superstar, than so be it. Still, I think this doesn’t hurt the Flames this year and gives them more flexibility going forward.
Phaneuf is Jovanoski, version 2.0.
I agree with this. He’ll wow you with his talent at times and occasionally put a few great games together and then his brain will kick in and he’ll start thinking again and everything goes to hell.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 31, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
why do they keep comparing this to the gilmour trade? stop it already…
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Whos to say white coming here wont be a huge mistake from their stand point. I look at phaneuf as a very good top 4 defender getting #1 money. This gives a good opportunity for a do over to sign white to a reasonable contract respective of who he is. white is a top 4 defender but not as good but they dont need him to be. Buow replaces phaneuf
Hartford got Shanahan.
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by Bruce McCurdy on Jan 31, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
I was thinking just that
This isnt the same I pray to god.
BTW, unless they make it really far and win division I still think D. Sutter needs to be fired and told to go fuck himself.
multi player. why bother even mentionning mayers in this move ? he’s obviously a toronto salary dump and is destined for waivers etc.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
I’’m a little surprised that there are people that don’t like this deal. We got rid of Phaneuf’s contract, and we brought back scoring depth. What else can you realistically ask for?
scoring depth AND an INARGUABLY cheaper, better defenseman.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Because it’s not what we needed. The most important things we needed were a first liner who can score and a backup goalie. That’s the main reason I dont like this.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Jokinen – Stajan – Iginla
Bourque – Langkow – Hagman
Glencross – Conroy – Moss
Nystrom – Boyd – Dawes
Bouwmeester – Giordano
Regehr – White
Sarich – Pardy
Pretty good forward group now no?
and then we just need to get rid of prust, mcG, mayers and conroy to make room for mickis ?
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
That’s his name in Sveeeeeeedsih.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
That too actually.
Maybe im reluctant to see change but I enjoy the 4th line. Prust and MacG are fun to watch, really. They dont have to always play together but I like watching them and are relatively pretty effective for a 4th line.
I dont think that needs to be said. Any guy who you trade away and then trade for within a 3 month span has something you really like.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, my thoughts…
1: This is a shitty return for Dion Phaneaf, must be a locker-room problem. I genuinely like Hagman, Stajan and White though and this does give us way more depth at forward.
2: I’m going to be collecting a lot of “I told you so’s” today from folk who insisted that Phaneaf would never be dealt.
3: I’d rather we had kept Aulie. I mean it’s not like it’s due to a roster slot or cap reasons… yuck, means we had to sweeten the deal to get it done.
4: More moves must be forthcoming. Either waiver moves or trades cause once Conroy, Moss and Dawes get healthy we’re way overloaded at forward.
5: We couldn’t have gotten the big Ukrainian?
6: Toronto is now really thin up front.
I was thinking he would be when I heard it was Toronto
Sutter hates Eastern Europeans…
I already wrote D.Sutt a letter (see above)...I hope he listens to me.
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i can’t find what you’re referring to here and i don’t want to look anymore.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
“Dear Mr. Sutter,
Please do not trade Mike Backlund.
Thank you,
King Jafi"
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Anyone been to Pension Plan Puppets to see how those fans are taking this? One thing Burke understands about working for Leafs Nation…that’s making splashes with big names…that keeps his fans at bay…
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I dont think these trades benefit them. Who do they have left at forward. They dont have a 1st rounder for a couple years and they will finish bottom 3 now and will not get a good prospect.
A couple quick quotes from PPP:
Ian White is underrated for sure.
Loved Hagman. Great professional, good player.
My opinion, Ian White is the Gio of the east. And, the best mustache in a Flames jersey since 1989.
Joker’s moustache makes him look like a sexual predator.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
funny. i might have actually said that here.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Backlund is going back to Abbotsford are forwards are set right now and once Moss and Dawes get back whenever the hell that will be.
Backlund stays if Moss get’s sent.
At least it's not 97-98.
moss can’t get sent to abby cause he’s injured.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
I’m giving this a thumbs up right now.
Phaneuf became redundant as soon as JBo signed; watch for JBo’s numbers to go up (especially on the PP).
I like Stajan and White, and Hagman won’t hurt our offense either.
Get us a real NHL backup now, please.
Good luck in TO, Dion…and look on the bright side, you’re closer to PEI now!
Yes, All the best Phaneuf
Dont become a star though.
Honestly, I hope he does…no problem for me if that happens, you can’t regret a trade like this for something that may happen, if you’re doing it for the right reasons now. Kind of like Hull for Ramage and Wamsley.
exactly. excapt i don’t think stajan, hagman, and white are gonna get us a cup.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Even sooner. Four bodies in, two bodies out. Two more have to go down, and Backlund and Lundmark are the only two who can go.
Lundmark has to clear waivers now, though.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
He’s a great injury fill in but I suspect he doesn’t resign this offseason.
At least it's not 97-98.
Now that I think about it i think he has done enough to stay for now. I think him resigning is depending on who they resign from Stajan and Mayers.
ohmygod we will absolutely not re-sign mayers. sutter ain’t an idiot.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
So we have like 16 forwards now, right? Something else has to happen today for this to all make sense.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 11:00 AM PST reply actions
we picked up an extra bourque, an extra dawes, and an extra gio and lose a primeau and beauchemin. if you look at it that way it’s not actually that bad. ;)
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
That is quite comforting. Thanks WI.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
So our new players can play ridiculously good games and then do nothing for the rest of their careers here?
-Colin
with the emergence of backlund and the entrance of stajan, having a 5.5 million dollar third line center seems kindof dumb, non ? joker + a couple bottom feeding stooges (mayers ? prust ? mcG ?) outbound ?
i sortof agree. chemistry is important.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
i agree. i’m suggesting he’s already on a plane. if not, then we are gonna see more action, is my point.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
I think that this shows we are not re-signing the Sex Panther. Unless Daz is simple, Stajan and Bork could be kept around at about 7-7.5 total.
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by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 11:10 AM PST reply actions
I hope I wake up tomorrow to see both Bourky and Stajan signed to long term deals that would just be exceptional.
Also what’s even better is that this deal happened two weeks ahead of the Olympics if this happened after the Olympics I think it could be a volatile situation.
At least it's not 97-98.
Yeah but the good thing is Stajan is 25 not really spoken of a lot outside of the T.O. media and doesn’t have a lot of baggage like Joker did.
At least it's not 97-98.
i used to live in toronto. i really like stajan.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, but he’s kindof omitting the stuff that dowbiggen said: his teammates hated him and he was lazy on the ice.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
he’s omitting the fact that he was the “whipping boy” of the fans because he was fucking awful.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Dowbiggin is not trustworthy. He has made a career out of sensationalizng minor or ficticious events.
my opening comment on the gamethread last night:
“i have sworn to enjoy the shit out of this game cause i honestly think we’ll see a deal next week. could be the last hurrah with this version of the flames. these are my thoughts, not yours. :( "
just sayin’ :P
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I really think this deal will work out Daz didn’t hit the home run (Burke did) it helps the cap, we’re getting younger players. I could really get used to hearing Stajan to Iginla.
This also could have been a deal that might have bought Daz maybe another year at least the hardcore’s will understand. The casuals will just cry just like when Lombo got dealt but I’d take that one back in a heartbeat.
At least it's not 97-98.
has anyone had a look over at CP ? i’d be scared to.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Here’s one way to look this trade…
We subtracted 11 goals off our roster and added 47.
Stole that from someone at Calgarypuck in between server crashes.
I wish it was that simple, haha.
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
okay. here’s my thought.
these radio chumps keep saying “you get the best player, you win the trade.” if ian white is the gio of the east and (i think we can all agree that) gio > dion, then do we not win this trade ?
Depends. It will have to wait till after the Olympics to figure out if they work in the system, etc. I see no reason why they wont, though, so for the way Phaneuf played this year, yes, it’s a win right now. Next year, or a couple years, we very well may have lost this one.
Go Flames Go
by Justin Azevedo on Jan 31, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
nope. it’s on the radio over and over though.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
i’m sure it’ll be on tsn/sportsnet (or wherever franklin is). could be already.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
duncan just said “i’m worried that burke is the right guy to knock sense into him, but equally optimistic he ends up spending a LOT of time at ”http://www.yelp.ca/biz/jillys-toronto" target="new">jilly’s"
oops.
can i try that again ?
duncan just said "i’m worried that burke is the right guy to knock sense into him, but equally optimistic he ends up spending a LOT of time at jilly’s"
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
no idea how that got so effed up up top.
by walkinvisible on Jan 31, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
More Trades To Come.....
all shoes have not dropped yet……the team has not been completely built. Watch what is about to happen….some favorites are on the move……good luck to one and all……
M.B.
Jokinen Trade A Bust
I got no problem moving Jokinen, he obviously cant produce the way we need him to, but Chris Higgins in return, cmon Sutter you can find a better deal that that.
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