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Calgary Flames Trade Bait



So we all know Calgary's in the market for a scorer. We also know what that market basically looks like. What we don't know, or haven't yet explicitly itemized, is what the Flames may be offering their trade partner(s) in return.

It's not a long list.

The Flames are in the unenviable position of needing help without boasting much in the way of trade assets. Next years first and second round picks - common currency in deadline rental deals - are gone. And because they need to supplement the forward ranks (rather than merely incrementally improve a certain position) a player-for-player swap probably wouldn't make much sense either. Moving Langkow for rental-forward-X doesn't really get the team anywhere, for example. There isn't much in the way of prospects in the system either, making it doubly difficult to deal kids: most teams won't want what we have or would demand one of the few guys that are worth a damn.

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What the Flames do have, however, is defensemen. Lots of them. However, given that we know Darryl Sutter likes to collect extra rear guards at the deadline and probably won't be moving any of the "big three" during the regular season (if ever), we can safely scratch Regehr, Phaneuf and Bouwmeester from the list. Giordano's emergence and high value contract ensures he won't be going anywhere either.

There's also a few players at the rosters edges that could be thrown into any potential deals as "pot sweeteners" without severely impacting the current success/fail rate. So we can probably throw them in the mix as well.

Cory Sarich


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Cory Sarich 28 0 3 3 -2 16 0 0 0 0 20 0.0


It's been mentioned in this space before and repeated ad nauseum, but the recent scoring drought hammers the point home to the degree that there can no longer really be debate anymore: it doesn't make sense to pay $3.6M/year for a third pairing defender. Sarich was brought in a couple of years ago after the team struggled for several years to find a replacement for Leopold with Regehr. Sarich was at times good and bad in that role. He was moved to the second/third pairing last season where he fared better and has been demoted this year in the face of injuries/Giordano's step forward and, yes, the presence for 3 other high paid, minute-munching defenders.

He's good enough to play in many team's top two pairings and has an underrated mean streak. Sarich isn't all the capable offensively however and he's on the bad side of 30. I don't know what his perceived value is around the league, but the truth of the matter is his walking papers were signed when Bouwmeester said yes to Darryl Sutter. Whether he's moved at the deadline for immediate help or in the off-season to free up cap space is merely academic at this point*.

*(unless, of course, Sutter actually takes the plunge and deals one of Regehr or Phaneuf)

David Moss


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - David Moss 43 7 6 13 -5 14 3 0 2 0 89 7.9


I'm a huge fan of David Moss. And I think he spent a lot of this season either injured or playing in lousy circumstances (ahem, Jokinen and Iginla). However, his step backwards this season, his relative fragility, his decent contract as well as his 20 goal season last year (what one may call a "selling point") all conspire to potentially make him trade bait at the deadline. He likely wouldn't land anything of value by himself, but could be bundled to make an offer more likely to be accepted.

Dustin Boyd


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Dustin Boyd 51 6 9 15 3 13 0 0 2 0 71 8.5


Ray Ferraro had a line about Boyd during the Chicago game recently. Something to the tune of "Boyd just can't seem to find a fit here". It was a similar story with Matthew Lombardi in town; good enough to tease, never capable of closing the deal. Boyd is the youngest player on the team and one of Sutter's only draft graduates to hint at an offensive upside. However, the kid has failed to find a foothold under a couple of different coaches and his underlying numbers actually back -up the bench bosses (despite my protestations). He's still relatively young and a distance away from his peak, but his utility remains low on this club and I can imagine he'd be target #1 for each and every "seller" the Flames engage at the deadline.

Defensive Prospects

Pick one. Flames have a dozen of them. Matt Pelech, Brett Palin, Keith Seabrook, Keith Aulie, Gord Baldwin, John Negrin, Tim Erixon, TJ Brodie. The guys who will no doubt evoke the most interest are the latter three, being younger and possessing more formidable scouting reports. Frankly, if there's anywhere the org can stand to lose a few futures, it's on the back-end. Hell, 4 of their current 6 guys are 26 or younger - it's not like there's going to be a changing of the guard any time soon. Again, I don't know if any of these guys has the kind of clout to land a viable NHLer on their own, but I'm sure one or two will be asked about.

Poll
Who do you think the Flames will move in a deadline deal?
Cory Sarich
129 votes
David Moss
26 votes
Dustin Boyd
33 votes
Defensive Prospect
34 votes
Other
113 votes

335 votes | Poll has closed

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I’d almost throw Robyn Regehr in to that discussion he would probably be more attractive to other teams more so then Cory Sarich but can be the best defenseman on the ice when not with Phaneuf.

At least it's not 97-98.

by CofRed on Jan 26, 2010 3:15 PM PST reply actions  

That sounds more like a request to switch his D partner than actually trade him, CoR.

by Robert Cleave on Jan 26, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I guess you could say that as would most flames fans, but I still think Reg would bring in a better return.

At least it's not 97-98.

by CofRed on Jan 26, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Lots of votes for “other” thus far. Did I miss anyone or are people just assuming it’ll be some combination of the above?

by Kent Wilson on Jan 26, 2010 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

Phanoof probably.

Of course the poll is “who would they trade” not “who should they trade” plus your article excludes the big three.

I know what I’d be trying to do in the GM’s shoes, but that’s a hell of a higher pay grade than I’m used to I’m afraid.

by R O on Jan 26, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Most of the rumors I’ve heard involve Phaneuf. That’s why I would expect him to be traded.

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by 14theofleury on Jan 26, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Off the top of my head, without much thought, here is the list of players in order of how unlikely it is they’d be traded by the Flames (whether anyone would want them is a separate question):

Iggy – not going to happen
JayBo – big recent signing, also plays a shitload
Giordano – great value contract, solid D
Bourque – great value contract, solid O
Conroy – they’ll want him to retire as a Flame
Jokinen – wish he was lower on this list, but Daz won’t admit defeat
Glencross – small contract, probably worth more to Flames than as trade bait
Langkow – another Daz player, reasonable contract, hard to consider trading him a step up
Dawes – small contract, not going anywhere
Kipper – lower on this list than when I first started doing this
Reggie – think he’s more likely to stay than his defense partner
Phaneuf – I truly can see him getting dealt
Prust/McGratten/Sjostrom – don’t really count, all could be here or gone
Pardy – interchangable depth defenseman, really
Moss – for the logical reasons Kent listed
Nystrom – getting up there in age, not that much value
Boyd – would break my heart, but the parallels with Lombardi are too strong
Sarich – first one to go

by maimster on Jan 26, 2010 4:19 PM PST reply actions  

I’m riding the Phaneuf train. He has value still, despite his garbage season this season. Flames run the risk of dumping either a diamond in the rough, or a trainwreck about to happen. But you gotta play hard to win, and sometimes make the hard choices. Love Phaneuf’s game, but something has to happen to get some scoring.

by jessnbrown on Jan 26, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

My brother just reminded me that Lombardi (and, to a similar extent, Ference) had great value contracts too and that made them both trade bait and gone-baby-gone.

My brother should just post his comment here, rather than e-mailing me! :-)

by maimster on Jan 26, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, meant to say that may be Gio is not as untouchable as I’d think.

by maimster on Jan 26, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s true, but they weren’t providing the kind of return that Gio is. They were both considered “depth” options at best on the club. Giordano, on the other hand, is playing in the Flames top 4 every night and on the first PP unit. He’s also tied for the team lead in points by defensemen.

Anything’s possible, I suppose, but I can’t imagine Giordano being available to anyone right now.

by Kent Wilson on Jan 26, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Dion can win all the Norris Trophies he wants elsewhere. One thing the Norris Trophy isn’t the Stanley Cup.

At least it's not 97-98.

by CofRed on Jan 26, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

i would think darryl’s probably getting the most calls about gio. if the regehr/phaneuf pairing wasn’t so shaky, i would actually think there’s a possibility of gio being the pot sweetner (like lombo was last year). except, in this case, you’d have to have a pot to sweeten…. and unless you’re dealing your blueline a deathblow (gio + dion’s big ugly contract) to get a couple of 3 – 4 million dollar roster guys back, gio stays.

so where i was fairly convinced lombo was on his way out last year, i’m fairly convinced my jersey will look just as good next year.

by walkinvisible on Jan 26, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I can safely say I would lose it if they traded Giordano. Lose it.

by Kent Wilson on Jan 27, 2010 6:44 AM PST up reply actions  

i would cry myself to sleep at night but i can’t say i’d be surprised.

by walkinvisible on Jan 27, 2010 7:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Who wants to trade with us?

If a team wants to trade for a Flame then rest assured its for a Defencemen. There may be inquiries, otherwise its Sutter making the call. Which is better? If someone asks about a player then its a stronger trade position. Sutter won’t shop players around in desperation. The best case scenario is a defencemen gone in return for a draft pick and a forward-Left wing preferably. Alternately, is it time to rebuild? With suspect depth everywhere except on defence, it is likely any trade must include a prospect or a draft pick. Its going to be a top player wanted-one of our top four defencemen. To not deal one of the top defencemen means trading in a position of weakness. Expect a new forward, a draft pick, and a change of address for one of our top defencemen. It doesn’t help that we were shunned by the Canadian Olympic team when choosing defencemen.
If Jokinen is staying then we should look at finding a player match for him, most often we try people with Iginla. We have a number one line-Langkow, Borque, and Iggy! I hope they find someone to play with Jokinen so that Sutter will stop trying to make a square fit into a round hole. Other teams have bonafied first liners playing on the second line and using them on the powerplay. Please try Langkow with Borque and Iggy. It seems weird but trade for a player to play with Jokinen. Its like a car that becomes a money-hole for repairs-after awhile you can’t sell it-it owns you!

by budgie d on Jan 26, 2010 5:01 PM PST reply actions  

in unrelated news, lombardi had a great game tonight. ;)

by walkinvisible on Jan 26, 2010 9:12 PM PST reply actions  

He now has more points than Sex Panther I believe.

by Kent Wilson on Jan 27, 2010 6:21 AM PST up reply actions  

i would presume. i also love how neither of us cares to look it up. ;)

by walkinvisible on Jan 27, 2010 7:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I say suck it up this year and play for next. I don’t think we can match up with the ’nucks well let alone a seven game series with Chicago or SJ. Considering it looks as though IF we get in the playoffs it would be in a 7-8th position, reality must set in at some point.

Even if we just left things as is or traded one for one with someone like the Montreal- Minn trade a few weeks back to inject some new blood into the line, we may just come together at the right time and surprise.

At the very least don’t give up any more picks!

by 44stampede on Jan 26, 2010 9:55 PM PST reply actions  

I’d flush every prospect in the system for a guy who can make a real difference, now, and at the NHL level.

Seriously.

I don’t follow prospects very much at all, in fact the thought of having to spend time waiting for these fuckers to mature into guys that can help the team and are not repulsive enough as people that we might be able to cheer for them… I don’t have the patience.

by R O on Jan 26, 2010 10:06 PM PST reply actions  

I think we should wait until after the Olympic break. That’s 10 games…even though they are mostly against supposedly weaker teams, it should be enough of a gauge to see where the Flames are. Win at least 7, maybe we can be considered legitimate contenders and therefore buyers. Continue to shit themselves – anything less than 6 wins – and sell, sell, sell (or at least send the Sutters back to Viking).
About the legit contenders thing…anything can happen in a 7 game series, and sure there is a chance we could beat Chi, SJ, Van. All we would need are injuries to their key players, 2 goals a game and Kipper playing like he sold his soul. Not too much to ask…right?

by rich snake on Jan 27, 2010 5:03 AM PST reply actions  

Yup. Anything can happen in the post-season. That said, I wouldn’t bet any money on the Flames.

by Kent Wilson on Jan 27, 2010 6:22 AM PST up reply actions  

mikeH bought put 20 bucks on the flames in vegas at the end of june. i’m guessing the odds are far slimmer at this point.

by walkinvisible on Jan 27, 2010 7:33 AM PST up reply actions  

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