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Calgary Flames Trade Targets

Before the recent goal recession, it had already become pretty clear that the Flames were in need of more offense. They've been amongst the very worst teams in the league by most offensive measures ever since the initial SH% outburst petered out. They're not good at drawing penalties, they rarely score on the PP and they're bottom of the barrel in the league in terms of getting shots on net.

In addition, pretty much everyone in Calgary's top 6 is on par for a below average offensive season, with the possible exception of Rene Bourque. I say "top 6" even though it's a misnomer for this club: as many as seven different players (Moss, Nystrom, Sjostrom, Boyd, Lundmark, Glencross and Conroy) have auditioned with Iginla with varying degrees of success (ranging from a bit to none at all). On this team, everyone is a potential top 6 player because, excepting a few notables, no one is.

The cold snap has brought these issues into sharper focus. Jarome Iginla, with one goal in his last 13 games, looks like he's swimming against the tide with a boat in his teeth most nights. His underlying stats are some of the worst of his career. He's the very face of franchise, precisely because he looks frustrated to the point of distraction. Once upon a time, perhaps he could have carried lesser line mates against the big boys singlehanded, but those days have passed. He needs some help. This team, one with aspirations towards some measure of post-season success, needs to help him.

Star-divide

The trade deadline is still some forty days away, but for the Flames the impetus is to ramp up the goal scoring ASAP. Sutter hasn't shied from pre-empting the March frenzy in the past (Conroy, Stuart come to mind) so anything's possible I guess.

There are an almost limitless number of hypothetical trade targets for Calgary, but let's the cull field with some educated assumptions:

1.) Play-off bound clubs won't be dealing top 6 players.

2.) The Flames only have a strictly limited amount of trade chips (few draft picks, prospects).

With those parameters in mind, let's take a look at who might be available.

1.) Paul Kariya


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Paul Kariya 42 9 11 20 -5 16 3 0 1 0 111 8.1

 

Formerly one of the best wingers in the league, time and injuries have rendered Kariya a shadow of his former self. Both his counting stats and underlying numbers are unimpressive and he's an injury risk on top of all that. He's still a step up from certain options on the Flames (say, Nystrom, Lundmark, Sjostrom etc.) but he's hardly ideal.

2.) Keith Tkachuk


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Keith Tkachuk 43 11 16 27 -1 34 4 0 0 0 81 13.6


Similar to Kariya, Tkachuk is an aging ex-star who has drifted away from his dominant days. He has an even worse relative corsi rating than Kariya does on the same team and he faces marginally weaker competition. He also only averages about two shots on net per game. I'd pass on the big guy unless he was available for next to free.

 

3.) Ray Whitney


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Ray Whitney 46 15 19 34 -6 18 3 0 3 0 97 15.5

 

Probably the most oft cited trade target for the Flames is the similarly old, but still effective former Shark. Whitney has scored 60+ points in each of his last three seasons and is one of Carolina's offensive leaders again this year. He faces decent competition for the Hurricanes but is amongst the top 10 in terms of corsi for the club. His underlying numbers are strong and he's capable on the power play.

Overall, Whitney would be a relatively attractive rental. He's 37, so there would be little chance of the club retaining him next year, plus he has a lot of experience which some consider important. Of course, with the 'Canes well out of the race, there's likely to be a number of play-off bound clubs sniffing around after Whitney come the deadline.

4.) Colby Armstrong


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Colby Armstrong 48 7 9 16 2 43 0 1 1 0 57 12.3

 

While Kovalchuk will be getting all the attention in March, the Thrashers may also be shopping Colby Armstrong if they find they can't re-sign him either. The pending free agent doesn't have attractive counting stats, but has been a key contributor for Atlanta for several years. Essentially, Armstrong is the 'anti-Ilya': he starts out in his own zone a lot, faces the other teams best players much of the time, but still ends up moving the puck in the right direction.

Armstrong isn't your prototypical scorer. He's an effective hockey player, but the Flames immediate needs probably extend beyond his abilities: Calgary doesn't simply need someone who can get the puck into the good end of the ice, but someone who can do something with it when it gets there. That said, I wouldn't complain if they acquired him (or signed him this summer).

5.) Alexei Ponikarovsky


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Alexei Ponikarovsky 51 18 15 33 1 36 4 0 1 0 132 13.6

 

"Poni" is to the Maple Leafs what Rene Bourque is to the Flames - a top-notch all around forward. Ponikarovsky faces a decent level of competition, has the second best corsi rate on the team (+19/60!), the best ESP/60 rate on the club (2.27) and he can play on both the PP and PK. He's also a 6'4", 223 pound guy who can skate. 

I consider Ponikarovsky the ideal candidate for the Flames to target. He's managed sterling underlying numbers for the last few seasons, is just 29 years old and is the type of guy the team could try to retain next year. In fact, he's so good it would stun me if Burke didn't have his name on a new contract come March.

6.) Alex Tanguay


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - Alex Tanguay 48 8 19 27 1 22 3 0 2 0 53 15.1

 

Darryl Sutter once called Alex Tanguay one of the best left wingers in the league. At the time, he was right: Tanguay was one of the most efficient producers of even strength points in the NHL. He was routinely the Flames second best forward at ES when he was here in town behind only Jarome Iginla as well. That said, things have gone poorly for Alex since he left the Flames - he spent most of the season with the Canadiens nursing a shoulder injury. This year, he's felt the wrath of Rick Tocchet in Tampa. His stats are mediocre across the board, but he has the advantage of history with Jarome. In addition, his skill set matches Calgary's needs almost exactly: a sublime passer and effective puck distributor who has a knack for opening up defensive coverage.

I emailed Raw Charge's John MClellan about Tanguay recently and this was his response:

The entire situation in Tampa is crappy for offense with thanks to what Rich Tocchet preaches and the skill-set of the offensive players that are on the club.  Where Tanguay is a pure passer, where St. Louis and Lecavalier are more finesse and speed...Tocchet wants grit, "dog the puck"..  He seems to value tip in shots, deflections and junk goals more than actually using skills.

Would Tampa Bay trade Alex?  If you ask any casual fan who sees Tanguay's production and compares it to Vaclav Prospal's production in New York, they'll give you a frustrated "Yes, he's worthless!" 

For someone like me who sees a bigger issue in Tampa, I'd sooner hold on to him and change other things with the Lightning. But the fact is, right now, the Lightning are a lower-middle club and moving pieces to acquire more assets will be more likely than re-signing free agents to be. So Alex likely will be available by the deadline (if Tocchet isn't replaced by then).

Now what would the Lightning want in return? That's subjective. They are rebuilding the club in an image that is their own. While Brian Lawton has already rebuilt the defense in part, he will be looking to acquire more guys on the other side of the blue line to thicken things out.

While Poni might be the best player available, Tanguay might be the most ideal in terms of circumstances. He's not valued by the coach, so even if the Bolts think they have a shot at the post-season, there's little chance they'll keep him around. John asserts above that the Lightning may want a defender in return (the one thing the Flames have plenty of at every level of the organization) and they may want to get rid of him sooner rather than later considering their on-going financial issues.

The Flames don't have the assets to go big game hunting this trade deadline, so the group above is likely as good as it'll get for Sutter. He 's got no first or second rounder next season and no Matthew Lombardi to dangle as a trade chip. He'll have to find a pretty friendly trading partner to make a deal, which may very well take any or all of these targets out of the picture, depending on how much demand ramps up post-Olympics. I'm imagine he's already begun to work the phones in earnest.

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You stay away from Colby Armstrong.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Jan 20, 2010 10:25 PM PST reply actions  

C’mon…you know he won’t want to sign in Edmonton.

by Kent Wilson on Jan 20, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Whitney and Tanguay seem like the most realistic choices as far as actually getting them here. Ponikarovsky would be awesome to have, but it seems highly unlikely that Burke would let him go, especially considering what we could offer.

-Colin

by Colin S on Jan 20, 2010 10:37 PM PST reply actions  

Armostrong would be feasible as well, however I don’t think he would be what we really need.

-Colin

by Colin S on Jan 20, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Whitney & Armstrong would be nice. Would settle for Ponikarovsky, I guess.

I know Phaneuf probably doesn’t get moved until the summer (IF), but a look at some potential targets would be sweet in the future. Could the Devils put together a package with Travis Zajac?

by RossCreek on Jan 20, 2010 11:03 PM PST reply actions  

Now that would be awesome. Zajac is a quality player who is underrated due to the role that he plays in NJ.

by Justin Azevedo on Jan 20, 2010 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, more the fact he plays in NJ and doesn’t get the exposure due to the other 3 teams in the region.

by Justin Azevedo on Jan 21, 2010 2:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Whitney is my ideal pick up but I can just imagine him in Pittsburgh or Washington because right now they seemed more gunned for a long run this spring.

But what would the Ideal deal be to getting Whitney. I can’t see Sutts giving up Boyd or a Prospect for a player that might retire in the Summer. So my next choice would be Tanguay trading a Keith Aulie (Although I see him to be the next big thing for the Flames and that’s something most of us have been craving.) or a John Negrin as Tampa Bay would like to bolster the back end with younger talent.

So here is my list out of the 6 you pointed out.

1. Ray Whitney: Simply the most consistent of the older guys and he has a ring.
2. Alex Tanguay: The easiest to get and has past experience with Iggy.
3. Alexei Ponikarovsky: Best player on the list but Burke would be dumb not to resign him.
4. Keith Tkachuk: Still plays with that edge but I don’t think he’s a cure for the offense.
5. Colby Armstrong: This guy has the tools to get the job done but will he actually put it all together, Oh and we have his Brother as well.
6. Paul Kariya: My favorite player growing up and was a warrior with the Ducks but not so much now and I don’t think he’d be a boost, he’d be more of a problem.

Players that you didn’t list but could be under consideration.

1. Teemu Selanne: Poor guy can’t catch a break (Yes he can) Coming off a busted Arm I believe only to suffer a busted jaw. If he’s healthy enough Selanne is a boost to the Ducks powerplay when he’s healthy so he might be able to carry it over here.
2. Alexander Frolov: Not out of the Picture but if the Kings are out of the race come March obviously has great offensive skill but the Kings will want quite the return.
3. Raffi Torres: Columbus will dismantle the team come March and Torres is a fairly cheap option and is reliable.

I want my Scoring please.

by CofRed on Jan 20, 2010 11:31 PM PST reply actions  

I shouldn’t say dismantle for Columbus more of a spring cleaning to get rid of older bodies to bring in more youth.

I want my Scoring please.

by CofRed on Jan 20, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d love to get Frolov but I can’t imagine the Kings parting with him unless they are well out of the race (which is a long shot). Plus I am convinced Sutter has no time for Russians.

Torres is an interesting thought. He’s a bit injury prone but has been effective at ES for years.

by Kent Wilson on Jan 21, 2010 6:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess Poni is Ukrainian too…does that count as Russian?

by Kent Wilson on Jan 21, 2010 6:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, I don’t care what the name is. Just get Iggy somebody to fucking play with. Jeez. I mean, Lanks is a good player, but like I said on the game thread for Monday’s debacle, he’s 13th or 14th in terms of playoff-bound centermen. It’s like a top 6 with only top 4 skill-wise. (I hesitate to include 15 just because of his lack of consistency over his career.)

by Justin Azevedo on Jan 21, 2010 12:19 AM PST reply actions  

And because someone will ask:
Backstrom, Zajac, Roy, Crosby, Stall, Malkin, Bergeron, Savard, Marleau, Thortnon (Depending if he plays his actual position), Toews, Stastny, Kopitar, Sedin.

by Justin Azevedo on Jan 21, 2010 2:42 AM PST up reply actions  

i proposed that ponikarovsky is more like langkow than bourque; he’s probably the steadiest maple leaf (and has been for years), he’s played many a shift on the top line and with elite players, and he hasn’t had near the injury or consistancy problems.

to each their own.

i WOULD like to hear kent’s opinion on my theory.

by walkinvisible on Jan 21, 2010 12:41 AM PST reply actions  

I think it has some merit, although some of the comparisons were strained (as they are bound to be, since it’s hard to have a true 1:1). I would suggest, for example, that Stempniak is a much better player than Nystrom for example.

Another area the teams are similar: needless over-investment in the blueline. Neither team has a first round pick next year either.

At least Calgary is in a play-off spot I guess.

by Kent Wilson on Jan 21, 2010 6:32 AM PST up reply actions  

My question would be: If we do pull off one of these trades and get rid of a decent prospect and draft pick…What happens next year (or the ones after)? I know that most teams have to go for it now in the cap era but it is pretty pathetic if “going for it” for us would mean getting out of the first or maybe second round. I can’t believe anyone in the org would think that even with the current roster plus one of those guys, that we could win the cup.
We are already screwed for the next draft or two. The guy who takes over from Daryl is going to have quite the pieces to pick up.

by 44stampede on Jan 21, 2010 2:20 AM PST reply actions  

My secret fantasy is that the Lightning decide to have a fire sale due to their money problems and the Flames scoop Martin St. Louis. Of course, that’ll never happen, but..

You’re right, though, 44 the Flames are in the precarious position of trying to “win now” because they’ve invested so much in the team. Unfortunately, they don’t look like a club that can win now and don’t have the futures that they could invest to either land a difference maker or suggests they’re going to get a lot better any time soon.

by Kent Wilson on Jan 21, 2010 6:13 AM PST reply actions  

If you wanted to get rid of Phaneuf you could get some serious talent in return. He seems to be in the doghouse in Calgary and teams in the East would kill to have him. I personally would love to see him out of the Northwest Division, but New Jersey, Ottawa, Tampa, Atlanta, Washington, Montreal could all use him. Hell, even New York, Toronto, and Pittsburgh would consider it.

If your D depth, which is seemingly never-ending, wouldn’t be hurt by a trade, I could see someone like St. Louis coming.

Avalanche 2009-2010: Ostensibly, the worst team in the league. Realistically, top of the NW division.

by c6hor8 on Jan 21, 2010 6:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Moving Dion has been a hotly contested topic since the summer. The general feeling is that Sutter loves him and isn’t going to move him any time soon. Personally, if the right package were offered, I’d personally trade Phaneuf without a second thought.

Great tag-line on the bottom of your profile BTW.

by Kent Wilson on Jan 21, 2010 7:15 AM PST up reply actions  

It came from either your or R O's post

The post called us ostensibly the worst team in the league. Now I understand, of course, the anger and hatred between intra-division rivals, but instead of a petulant response, I chose to use humor at the fact that often ostensibility does not necessarily correlate to actuality. However it only works while neither your nor Vancouver take it away from us.

It’s been a weird year. Montreal gets 7-man power plays. We’re good for some reason. Heatley’s not complaining.

Please get rid of Dion. He harasses our players too much.

Avalanche 2009-2010: Ostensibly, the worst team in the league. Realistically, top of the NW division.

by c6hor8 on Jan 21, 2010 7:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Glad to see he does make a difference out there. :D

by SmellOfVictory on Jan 21, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I give this two thumbs up. Sarich is really the only conceivable trade piece we have, so…

Go Flames Go

by Justin Azevedo on Jan 21, 2010 8:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I doubt that would work for the Lightning. Now you could still do it but I think you’d have to go something like Sarich for pick to a contending team, pick to TB for Tanguey (Maybe throw in Freddie Sjostrom who seems to be in the doghouse for some reason).

by Parallex on Jan 21, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Either situation works. The 2nd one is actually probably better due to the ownership troubles they are having-3.5mil more probably would be hard to swallow.

Go Flames Go

by Justin Azevedo on Jan 21, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Another potential deal and he might not cost a lot due to being a backup. The Canes have also said that Manny Legace will get thrown around but I know Sutter won’t go after a goalie unless one of the two get injured but it never hurts having two goalies that can bring in the wins.

I want my Scoring please.

by CofRed on Jan 21, 2010 9:46 AM PST reply actions  

Never hurts, but the issue with back-ups is they are nearly useless…right up until the point you need them. For example, if Kipper doesn’t get hurt, the back-up won’t play a single game in the play-offs.

I can’t imagine Sutter spending assets on back-up unless something happens to Kiprusoff.

by Kent Wilson on Jan 21, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Try for Tucker

I’d try for Darcy Tucker-an old Kamloops Blazer who played with Iginla, and Tucker is from Castor Alta-he’d probably like playing close to home. Sutter is adept at finding people in trades-something has to give. If keeping Jokinen I’d look at finding him a match too-he hasn’t been up to his potential-maybe another Finn like Tuomo Ruutu would help-personally I’d like to see more Western Hockey League players and try to give Calgary an identity again. I’d mention Brendan Morrison and Eric Fehr in Washington both would help. Morrison was available as a free agent which Calgary passed over but he signed a one year deal so perhaps he could be acquired. Eric Fehr has potential and size.
We need something to spark the team so a character player would be the ideal candidate-thats why I like Tucker-he fights when needed and can check and contribute offensively.

by budgie d on Jan 21, 2010 10:06 AM PST reply actions  

what makes you think colorado is gonna move ANYONE at this point !

by walkinvisible on Jan 21, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Tucker can’t contribute offensively anymore. He’s been fairly useless since he moved from TOR (where most of his contributions were limited to the PP). They can’t stand him in Colorado these days.

by Kent Wilson on Jan 21, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

They can’t stand him in Colorado these days

.

Co-sign. Greg Sherman would likely drive him to the airport personally. Why would we do Colorado a favour?

by Robert Cleave on Jan 21, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Niklas Hagman?

I’d like someone better, but Niklas Hagman is likely available, and he seems to be the type of guy the Flames could target (being a former Panther and all)… perhaps he’s a realistic option? They’d have to move sarich, too.

by RossCreek on Jan 21, 2010 11:07 AM PST reply actions  

Perhaps, although Im not a fan of his contract.

Stempniak might be available from the Leafs as well.

by Kent Wilson on Jan 21, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t want another trade deadling playoff run acquisition, as it won’t work. No more rentals, please. Maybe try to trade Joker as a rental for some kind of a pick in the draft, completely tank and miss the playoffs, and then trade up to 2 of Phaneuf/Regehr/Sarich for some good young forward depth/prospects/picks.

The problem with what the Flames are doing is that they do not have the basis for a playoff-winning team, even with one good addition (short of a miracle, anyway; stranger things have happened). As a fan I’m more than willing to let them have a year of ACTUALLY getting their shit together, rather than cobbling together Darryl Sutter’s Last Stand of players for the umpteenth time, in order to provide a more successful team a couple of years in the future.

by SmellOfVictory on Jan 21, 2010 10:11 PM PST reply actions  

Pretty much sums up my thoughts.

-Colin

by Colin S on Jan 21, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Reality is apparent

It seems that some think that teams will just cough up a player when in reality we have to look at what we have the others might want. We have Defencemen, that is our depth. When I suggest a player like Tucker its because the reality is that he is available without having to surrender a high draft or a prospect. The other targets mentioned are high priced veterans good for a year in some cases, and the younger players are too costly in terms of depth and a high draft pick. I like Tucker because he may come at a minimal risk or cost. Tucker is about half of the salary of the other veterans mentioned, he makes 2.2 million. Its a risk but maybe he needs a ressurection. Other players I like are Nik Andropov, who went from 1st line centre to 4th, Brendan Morrison in terms of the type of Player Iginla could benefit from. I would just not agree on acquiring a high-priced veteran for one year and with the intention of making a Cup run-is that what people think? A Cup Run? This teams needs character first. When suggesting players that are targets think of what we have to offer, reality is we can’t target anything but struggling players unless we want to offer a core player like Phaneuf.

by budgie d on Jan 22, 2010 8:39 AM PST reply actions  

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