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Forecasting the NW Division


Before the injuries, the break-outs and the disappointments, it's time for the annual ritual - prognosticating. On the eve of the new season, Robert and I present our takes on the North West:

1st Place

Robert - Vancouver. They have the two most consistent top-end forwards in the division, Ryan Kesler is a very good second line center, they have decent team depth, and their goalie is elite. They're running very tight to the cap, so I suppose a late season injury burst like Calgary had last season could hamper them, but good coaching, the Sedins and Luongo can paper over a lot of problems. The X factor for Vancouver, IMO, is Kesler. He took a major step forward last year. If he's truly the type of player that can regularly outplay good competition while producing 55-60 points, his line combined with the Sedins' guaranteed output make Vancouver the favourite in the NW.

Star-divide

Kent - Vancouver. When asked earlier in the summer by various people, I actually picked the Flames for the NW crown and that still might be a good bet. But, with lingering doubts about the Flames goaltending and the potential for the club to struggle at first to implement a new system, I have to choose the Canucks. Not only do they not have any glaring weaknesses in the line-up, AV has them playing as a single, cohesive unit which was clear even in the pre-season. It'll take a step forward by the Flames money players or some sort of catastrophe to unseat Vancouver.

2nd Place

Robert - Calgary. Bouwmeester is a significant addition not only because he can play against other teams' good players, but because he pushes Phaneuf down the ladder at EV. The back-end looks very good, and the over-all forward depth is solid. Brent Sutter is likely also an upgrade behind the bench. At the very least, they'll practice the PP on occasion. The Flames still have more question marks than the 'Nucks, though, and that's why I have them at number two. Iginla needs to bounce back at EV, Jokinen needs to not bleed goals, Nigel Dawes needs to be productive, and the most important X factor of them all is Kiprusoff. The Flames likely can't live with another .903 SV% year and hope to be a contender. I'll put a marker out there. If Kiprusoff ends the season at .910 or above, the Flames win the division. 

Kent - In what was previously the most competitive division in the league, the Flames are the second horse in what is a two-horse race. Calgary has the best blueline in the division (conference?) and they are probably three lines deep in quality forwards (four lines sans McGrattan). The addition of Brent Sutter and Dave Lowry is likely to be positive one as well. Unfortunately, as Robert notes, the Flames still have some real question marks. The top end of the forward roster is a little thin and Calgary needs $12M worth of Iginla/Jokinen to bounce back after lack luster seasons. Also, Kipper must halt the decline.

3rd Place

Robert - Minnesota. Havlat, Sykora and Brodziak are three good additions at forward, Mikko Koivu is excellent, their defence is OK, if a level below the other teams in the division, and their goaltending appears to be good. Backstom at 6 million a year might look like an over-pay down the road, but he and Harding are a good tandem. The two major X factors for the Wild are a) will they be able to play a more up-tempo style under Todd Richards and still be relatively stingy in terms of GA and b) can Marty Havlat play more games than Marian Gaborik? I love Havlat as a player, so if he if can play 70 games or more, the Wild will be in the mix for the play-offs, and might give the Flames a run for 2nd.

Kent - Minnesota. I don't know what to make of the Wild now that the old regime has been swept aside. I do know, however, that they now possess two of the most capable two-way forwards in the conference in Koivu and Havlat as well as potential bounce back season for Brent Burns, who was looking like a future Norris candidate before injuries slowed him last year. A total wild card, since we don't know what kind of coach Richards is, although their celing may be limited by their lackluster forward depth.

4th Place

Robert - Edmonton. They aren't quite as terrible as some precincts in the Oilogisphere might have you believe, but they look susceptible in their own end. The defence is highly skilled, and Tom Gilbert is a player any team would covet, but they aren't the hardest group to play against. The forward group also has a few nice pieces. Horcoff could play on my team any day, Hemsky is a talent, if slightly erratic, and I'd expect Penner to have a better year under Quinn. Gagner and Cogliano will also be good soon, but they still can't be relied upon to play tough minutes at this point and Moreau and Pisani appear to be on the slide. With all that, Khabibulin is the biggest question mark in all of this, because he's been injury-prone for years, and Deslauriers isn't ready to carry a team. They need a lot to go right to challenge for a playoff spot.

Kent - Edmonton. A middling squad with lots of pretty good players, the Oilers don't have any heavy hitters (aside from maybe Souray...on the power play). The fact that Edmonton is a cap squad with no superstars warms my heart. Their ntable kids are still learning not to get their heads beat in at ES (kinda like, say, Boyd), their front liners are good but not great (Horcoff, Hemsky, Penner) and their starter is inconsistent and injury prone. Unless Gagner and Cogliano take a giant leap forward, the Oilers will be on the outside looking in again.

5th Place

Robert - Colorado. This is the first rebuilding period for the team since they were in Quebec City. Stastny, Matt Duchene and Wolski are this team's future, but the forwards behind them are non-descript, and their defence is old, expensive and not great. They will be better in net. Craig Anderson was a very good pick-up at the price as a free agent, and not having Andrew Raycroft as a semi-regular is always an improvement. Joe Sacco might be an upgrade behind the bench, if only because Tony Granato looked completely lost. The 'Lanche have three veteran D that will be UFAs at the end of this year. I'd suspect the biggest news Colorado makes will be if/when they trade those players, because the team won't be any good on-ice. They're in the Taylor Hall sweepstakes, IMO.

Kent - Colorado. The rebuild is on. The Avs are a no-brainer to finish last even though the goaltending should be improved with Anderson in net. Stastny is a great player but guaranteed to miss 20+ games and the rest of the forward unit behind him is unimpressive (to be charitable) now that Smyth is gone. Expect to see both Darcy Tucker and JM Liles to be agressively shopped this year at the deadline - it doesn't make any sense for a team with zero hope of making noise to pay out some $6M+ for these two rather average players (well...it probably doesn't make much sense for any team, but you catch my drift).

That's where we stand. There was no collusion here, just honest agreement. Feel free to add your own division rankings in the comments.

Poll
Where will the Flames finish in the NW this year?
1st place - No March meltdown this time!
55 votes
2nd place - The Canucks are too strong (damn them!)
50 votes
3rd place - Minnesota surprises
25 votes
4th place - Iginla gets injured, Kipper gets worse
0 votes
5th place - Mass panic in the city. Chaos ensues.
6 votes

136 votes | Poll has closed

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I have to agree with the analysis

Vancouver is looking most likely to win the division, battling with the Flames. The one thing that might work in Calgary’s favour is Vancouver’s extended road trips based around the Olympics.

by brisulph on Sep 30, 2009 5:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I thought about those road trips, and you’re correct, it’s the one thing that might help the Flames beat Vancouver that isn’t related to a player having a catastrophic injury. Six weeks is obviously a very long time to go between home games. Every team in the division has terrible travel, though. Calgary has it’s own schedule issues, like two stretches of four games in five nights right around New Year’s, so unfortunately the advantage isn’t as much as I might like. If Vancouver hasn’t built a big lead by late January and the Flames are healthy, Calgary would have then have the edge, IMO.

by Robert Cleave on Sep 30, 2009 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, don't the Canucks have a lot of Olympic players?

I know Iginla, Jokinen, Bouwmeester, Kiprusoff (or has he fallen so far to not count) for the Flames, but Vancouver has a load of guys who could be considered. If you believe Pierre McGuire, Dion is going to be selected as well, but I can not see it, since Team Canada has tons of other choices to fill the blue line with.

by brisulph on Sep 30, 2009 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hard to argue with this, although I do think the Flames will win the division. I also think that Minnesota is going to be much closer to the top 2 than the bottom 2 and may squeeze into 2nd place in the division.

by maimster on Sep 30, 2009 8:08 AM PDT reply actions  

i like minnesotas team, interesting to see if bäckström was all lemaire.

off topic: interesting read on babcock/bertuzzi

by shep_ on Sep 30, 2009 8:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Or maybe...

Lemaire was all Backstrom (Fernandez, Roloson). Could be the coach was made by the goalies, not the other way around.

http://www.hockeywilderness.com

by BReynolds on Sep 30, 2009 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, well, they’re all very good goalies but lemaires system seems to benefit them.

have a look at this

by shep_ on Sep 30, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Thanks for putting the Wild at three. I think that’s where they finish, too. Most of the predictions I have read though, has them at 4, which is a joke.

I think you guys are being a bit hard on your home town team. The Flames are going to push the ’Nuckleheads for first. Believe me when I say that Wild fans have a much harder time watching our boys play the Flames than the ’Nucks. You guys have an amazing team, and while I would never admit it, I have a begrudging respect for everyone of the players on your squad.

Good luck this season boys and girls, I’m sure we’ll see you around.

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by BReynolds on Sep 30, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions  

It probably comes from observation. The Flames always seem to play well against the Wild while the Canucks always seem to play well against the Flames.

by Kent Wilson on Sep 30, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dunno, I think Calgary v. Vancouver is going to come down to whatever team has to fight the injury bug the least. Hate to see the division come down to what is essentially random misfortune but that’s how close I see it being.

Maybe give the edge right now to Vancouver based on the fact that they’re the defending division champs and we aren’t.

by Parallex on Sep 30, 2009 8:52 AM PDT reply actions  

That about describes how last year went, and they are already down Demitra and Schneider. Cody “The Saviour” Hodgson is back in junior.

We’ve got the better defence, a massively underrated offence and a superior head coach. If Kipper is an average goalie, we should walk out of this season in the 2-3 slot in the conference.

by Resolute on Sep 30, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

from flames twitter:

Flames make final cuts: Lundmark and Stuart have been assigned to Abbotsford Heat. Jaffray, Armstrong (IR) and Kronwall earn roster spots

by shep_ on Sep 30, 2009 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Good for Jaffray…of course, he’s back to the farm as soon as McGrattan is healthy…

by Kent Wilson on Sep 30, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

every part of that statement is right, yet so very, very wrong.

D for 3 and now goal for 21 years, of course I'm a goaltender apologist.

by LawrenceS on Sep 30, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just want to see how the Canucks deal with the schedule around Olympic team.

This division is a coin toss between the Flames and the Canucks.

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by CofRed on Sep 30, 2009 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I picked the Flames to win the division in the poll based on three reasons:

First: I’m bias and therefore blind as a bat and dumb as a rock.

Second: I think the Canucks played closer to their ceiling last season than Calgary. IMO, it took the Flames to have disastrous seasons by their top flight leaders at each position, a slew of injuries and some untimely decisions by coaching/mngmt. I think Sutter has taken major steps to ensure that debacle doesn’t occur twice. Of course, Luongo was injured so maybe……..

Third: I think that depth favours the Flames. I don’t see that Vancouver did much to get better. They just took the necessary steps to remain very, very good for the long term. The Sedins, Luongo etc. Looking at their line-up, the key for me is Ohlund. I think he was hugely underrated and his departure makes the Canucks “d” worse than last year. Add to that, their propensity for injury and it’s dicey. Lastly, the forwards still look like a first line, Kesler, two thirds and a pugilist forth. Of course if Shirokov becomes the next Bure, I’m going to vomit.

I don’t think I’ll reflect on the Flames, as it really just comes down to players on this team getting back to earning their value. Very strong showings by Iginla, Jokinen, Phaneuf and Kipper combined with consistently good performances by Regher, Moss, Lankow and JBo and it really should be a five-seven point cushion. It also means beating the Canucks, which is key, and which hopefully starts tomorrow.

D for 3 and now goal for 21 years, of course I'm a goaltender apologist.

by LawrenceS on Sep 30, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

One last thing….(I guess I am reflecting on the Flames). The backup. McL is a huge key this season as well. I am from the camp that believes a back-ups role is to play well enough that the team wins (or doesn’t lose, whichever semantics you prefer). Like a relief pitcher in baseball, they are to come in and get the job done, no matter how it gets done. (Although, I’m only thinking in games he starts, not in relief) In other words, the backup, who often sees the weaker sisters of the league should really have better numbers (both sv% and w%) than the starter because of the usage he sees→ I’m looking at you McL. It’s not like Kipper set the bar high last year, is it?…903??.

We cannot have a situation where we put the kid in and think….“Oh no, McL is playing, well…. we’re in trouble.” If we are going to play Kipper less and McL gets 10-15 starts this year we need him to be better than good.

I agree with your marker Robert and I’ll put another out there. If McL ends the season with twice as many wins as loses (say 8-9 wins, as opposed to 1) the Flames win the division.

D for 3 and now goal for 21 years, of course I'm a goaltender apologist.

by LawrenceS on Sep 30, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

They aren’t quite as terrible as some precincts in the Oilogisphere might have you believe

Liar.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Sep 30, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

They are bad. Luckily they aren’t as bad as Colorado until Khabibulin’s groin disintegrates.

Editor of The Copper & Blue, and leader of The Cult Of Hartikainen.

by Derek Zona on Sep 30, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for 2nd place

minus the “Damn Canucks” part. I really wanted to vote for fifth place though :-)

I’m not sure the Canucks D got any worse wth Ohlund gone, but the Flames D is noticeably scarier (from a ‘nuck perspective). There are a lot of "if’s" though with Calgary:

If Phaneuf plays better this season…
If Kipper bucks his stats trend of rising GAA and lowering sv%…
If Iggy can rebound after an off-year…
If Brent Sutter can implement his system with this group…

And probably a few others as well, though the same could be said of every team I guess.

It’s going to be good. Apologies in advance for ignorant drunken commenting tomorrow night.

by Temujin on Sep 30, 2009 6:13 PM PDT reply actions  

The arrows are pointing in the Flames favor this year. Vancouver was mediocre at territorial play (negative shots +/-, negative Corsi) and benefited from high percentages from both ends of the ice. It’s possible Luongo sustains his 0.932 ES SV% but the odds are against Vancouver shooting 1% above league average at ES. A regression to the mean on 1700-odd shots (5on5) means 17 less goals scored. And heaven forbid if they have an unlucky year.

Meanwhile Kipper’s SV% is pretty much rock bottom. It’s entirely possible he regresses further but at that point I think Sutter would be forced to acquire a goalie who can provide replacement level goaltending (i.e. league average). Hell even five points below league average might be sufficient given how territorially dominant the Flames are.

Percentages are the reason that Montreal regressed last year and they are the reason that Vancouver will likely regress this year.

by R O on Oct 1, 2009 7:51 AM PDT reply actions  

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