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Going Forward in 09/10 - Olli Jokinen


Darryl Sutter finally landed a shiny bauble he'd been coveting for years at the deadline in March. Olli Jokinen cost the club Matthew Lombardi a first round draft pick and, ultimately, a bunch of cap space that proved to be more valuable than the player himself down the stretch. Heading into next season, Jokinen is the second highest paid forward on the club, so it goes without saying that he has to have a good year in order for the team to squeeze value out of both his cap hit and the price they paid to acquire him.

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Jokinen had a fairly dreadful season last year for a guy with his price tag. His 29 goal total was the worst he'd managed since 2003-04, while you have to go back to 2001-02 to find a lesser point total than the 57 he cobbled together in 08/09. His ESP/60 rating was a mediocre 1.81 and his PP production efficiency wasn't anything to write home about either (3.93). In PHX, like almost everyone else on the team, he was well in the red in terms of corsi (-162). None of this is good news.

However, A lot of that can be disregarded as a guy having a bad year in bad circumstances. And that's true - moreso than just playing on a lousy team. I looked at the starting locations for everyone in PHX last year and Olli was actually buried a bit by Gretzky in the desert: -80 (offensive-defensive draws) in terms of zone start. Of the 418 draws Jokinen took in Coyotes colors, only 81 of them (!) or 19% came in the offensive zone. To channel Austin Powers for a moment - that's not Jokinen's bag, baby. Dude can't win face-offs and he's not all that compelling at the wrong end of the ice. I don't know if Gretzky was sheltering some of the other kids in Phoenix or what, but that starting zone figure suggests he didn't really know what kind of player he had in Jokinen. Scorer? Yes. Veteran? Sure. Guy who can play through tough circumstances? Not so much. Heck, Jokinen even spent a good deal of time skating with Daniel Carcillo and Peter Mueller at even strength. Yikes.

Things didn't exactly turn around for Jokinen in Calgary. He went scoreless during the last 13 games of the season (you know, that portion of time when the club really needed scoring from it's still healthy and active players) and his post-season wasn't much better besides a single notable performance. That said, some of his underlying numbers certainly improved. In his time as a Flame his zone start was +21 and his corsi rate was +56. To put that latter number into context, Jokinen played about 303 ES minutes with Calgary, meaning his corsi rate per 60 minutes of ice was a decent +11.09. That rate isn't in the Moss, Glencross or Langkow range, but it's still clear of Bertuzzi and even Jarome Iginla.

I am marginally encouraged by these findings. In PHX, Jokinen was played in a role counter to his nature and it killed him. In Calgary, and in better circumstances, his corsi (+11.09) and ESP/60 (1.98/60) improved, which points to potentially better things next year...assuming the team continues to move the puck forward as well as it did last season AND Brent Sutter deploys Jokinen in a sheltered, scoring role, where he belongs. If used properly, I can see Jokinen's counting stats getting back into the shiny bauble range again (30+ goals, 70+ points), which is all the Flames will likely need out of him.

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This could well be the dumbest thing I have ever said, so I won’t be upset if someone points that out, but here goes. Every time I watched Jokinen play Calgary, which I can count 3 times, twice with FLA and once w/ PHO, I thought he was great. He was the most dominant player on the ice, and even looked more powerful than Iggy (sometimes Iggy looks like he is playing basketball when he tries to work around defenders) he uses his speed and looks right fierce when he gets going (which is also one of my knocks on the eternal ‘cut-back with a full head of steam’ Lombardi). So, yes, great. Then when I saw him play for the Flames, all but three games, his first and two playoffs, he looked average to not-so-great. So here it comes….somehow, I’m optimistic.

D for 3 and now goal for 21 years, of course I'm a goaltender apologist.

by LawrenceS on Aug 24, 2009 10:08 AM PDT reply actions  

Jokinen has tools. He’s big. He’s fast. His shot is scary. It makes sense that he would stand out. It’s the space between his ears that holds him back I think.

I’ve seen Jokinen and he’s looked like a beast (first couple of games with the Flames) and I’ve also watched him and he’s looked terrible. So I understand completely.

by Kent Wilson on Aug 24, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the saying is “great tools, no toolbox”.

To the point, I didn’t like the Jokinen-Iginla pairing that Keenan tried to force last year. I’ve got the sense that both of them need to be the focal point of whatever line they’re part of. Last year they each tried to defer to the other on occasion, and I don’t think anyone was happy with the results. Split them, use Langkow with Iginla, and put Jokinen out there with Moss and/or Bourque against other teams second or third best. Olli Jokinen’s most likely opportunity to flourish will occur when he’s in a situation where he can shoot with out conscience. With that in mind, the best chance for getting an acceptable year from him is to keep him out of the power vs. power match-ups and hope he has a better year on the PP. If Brent Sutter can make him more responsible defensively, that’s just a bonus.

by Robert Cleave on Aug 24, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wrote almost the exact same thing in an earlier thread, so I won’t say its the dumbest thing you’ve ever said.

I mean, I’m a Kipper fan and even I couldn’t defend some of your math in that thread! :-)

by maimster on Aug 24, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh snap! What about (heaven forbid) having Jokinen on the number 1 line to get out of him what he’s good for, and put Iggy with the 2’s. I think Iggy has the tools to make others better even if it’s Nystrom and ride Joker for scoring with the most ideal linemates?

D for 3 and now goal for 21 years, of course I'm a goaltender apologist.

by LawrenceS on Aug 24, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jokinen on the wing that is of course…with Langkow and Bourque maybe? Dude can’t face-off so why force him to?

D for 3 and now goal for 21 years, of course I'm a goaltender apologist.

by LawrenceS on Aug 24, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

The tough match-ups are going to follow Iginla around, because that’s who the other coach will target. Whatever line Iginla is on is therefore the number one line.

But, technicalities aside, I agree.

by Kent Wilson on Aug 24, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Im optimistic that Jokinen will rebound. Realistically he is thier 2nd best forward and will be treated as such. That means he will be given more favourable situations and more PP than a lot of other players. In addition to this he is in a contract year. Khabibulin looked capable last year in his career year after a much much bigger slump than jokinen was in. Im pretty optimistic but I still think he will turn out putting up 70+ points

by Brent G. on Aug 24, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions  

And as long as Sutter doesn’t turn around and re-sign him for $5M+, that will be sweet.

by Subversive on Aug 24, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

For him to put together 57 points playing most of the season with the yotes, I think we can expect another 13 or so+ with this team. Good thing about it is if it doesn’t work out he is gone at the end of the year.
I really like Langkow but I still do not believe he is a number one centre. Jokinen has a chance. Of course then you run into the playing with Iggy problem. I guess this is why Brent makes the big bucks. Let him figure it out (which I think he can).

by 44stampede on Aug 24, 2009 8:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Jokinen didn’t put up 57 points with the Yotes. He put up 57 points total.

Langkow doesn’t have the attractive package of tools that Jokinen does, but I consider him a much better hockey player all around. He’s smarter, better at moving the puck, has better vision and it better in his own end. That said, I guess we’ll see how things shape up this year.

by Kent Wilson on Aug 24, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Flip 'em both in and out of the top unit!

Curtis will AGAiN fly under the radar, help out Rene and Olli as well as pay attention to “D” he can mix in with anybody, just like Nystrom and Boyd… no problems, hit the gas, floor it baby!!!

by Niulrana on Aug 24, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

He better show up more consistently

As this team needs to have the scoring come in measured amounts, not fits and starts like it has the past few years. Besides, he will not be making up for a lack of scoring in other ways with his skill set.

by brisulph on Aug 25, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

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