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How Injured Was Phaneuf Last Season?

Alright, I brought up this topic in a random post on calgarypuck.com, but I feel it needs a little more attention than being buried behind Craig Button and his "Phaneuf-Torpedo" effort.

After last season, Dave Marcoux was having lunch with a good friend of mine when the topic of Phaneuf was brought up. Marcoux stated that Phaneuf had a serious hip injury since the beginning of the year, that could potentially require surgery.

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Marcoux's relayed prognosis was that it would be a 50% chance that Phaneuf would be able to play HOCKEY again, let alone miss an extended amount of time.

Well, that seems very dire, considering hip surgery typically takes 12 weeks to recover from.  Phaneuf apparently opted to play out the year and test healing through rehabilitation.  It's pretty easy to rehabilitate a hip, but once surgery becomes the option a player is out for a LONG time. Perhaps this was french hyperbole, but if there were complications (i.e. Cuthbert has placed her tracking chip IN THAT hip, or he has an allergy to aenesthetic) perhaps it wasn't as simple as a labral tear and it was as Marcoux had pessmistically outlined.

Marcoux went on to say that the team had found another specialist that was more optimistic about the injury, and that Phaneuf's career didn't hang so loosely in the balance - but it brought up an interesting point, and something most Flames fans were wondering about all year.

Phaneuf had a brutal year last year, but refused to sit out any length of time.  Keenen still chose to play him 30 minutes a night regardless of his state of health (which would also relate to Sutter's reasons to dismiss Keenan based on personnel decisions).  When he was to sit down and take a break, Phaneuf jumped on a plane to Vancouver to join the team even though he had been left behind.  He refused to cater to his hip.

Apparently he finished the season with a bad hip, 2 broken ribs, a bad shoulder and a concussion.  He sat out the remaining games against Chicago because his head had been nearly dislodged from his body, and he likely couldn't remember that he was wearing skates.

So, even though the media and a large proportion of the fan base lambasted the Norris Candidate of 2008, lots of people were wondering if there was potentially something else bothering the future Geico spokesperson. 

Was this a gross mismanagement of a Franchise asset?

Was this a coach that let his stars dictate their own schedule and playtime? Keenan did it with Kipper, why not Phaneuf?

The bottom line is, will Phaneuf return to form next season?

p.s. I also talked with an NHL defenseman about Phaneuf and the Olympics, and he said that Phaneuf aggravated Yzerman SO MUCH at the All-Star game in Montreal, that he's "talked his way off the team"....fancy that.... 

Poll
What was Phaneuf's BIGGEST problem last year?
He was injured
50 votes
He was mismanaged by his coach
42 votes
He was incompetent
22 votes
He had his time in the spotlight, his dissolution of skill and talent was inevitable
8 votes

122 votes | Poll has closed

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I’d like to split my vote across the first three choices. I think several smaller factors combine together to make his season end up the way it did.

-Colin

by Colin S on Jul 28, 2009 3:48 PM PDT reply actions  

i also would have liked to vote for #1 and #2.

by walkinvisible on Jul 28, 2009 4:31 PM PDT reply actions  

I went with injured, but number 2 sure as hell wouldn’t have helped number 1. I wonder how many Flames will still be nicked to start camp? Phaneuf, Bourque, maybe Giordano? No wonder Sutter wants enough defencemen for 2 rosters. He figures he might need them all.

by Robert Cleave on Jul 28, 2009 5:17 PM PDT reply actions  

hopefully sutter’s bearing in mind the massive replacement players v. cap issue he had last year. there’s no way the league will allow 15 skaters /game again. forfeits, anyone ?

by walkinvisible on Jul 28, 2009 6:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I went with incompetent. It was increasingly angering whenever Phaneuf had the puck, because he would race up the ice, take a shot, and be behind the play while the other team went up the ice with the puck.

It always seemed like Langkow was the only one back playing D, which inevitably led to a goal on Kipper or a penalty for Bertuzzi somehow.

by ellisdee on Jul 28, 2009 9:14 PM PDT reply actions  

That sums up the flames season beautifully

by Dustin Timberlake on Jul 29, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he was actually injured, then obviously injury. However there are a lot of question marks surrounding the veracity of that assumption.

by Kyle M on Jul 28, 2009 11:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Injured he might be

but it is up to the coach to rein in a player. Why? As someone who played sports growing up, I always wanted to play, and I would lie and mislead my coaches about injuries just to get back onto the floor earlier than I should have been. Same applies here, I suspect Phaneuf was too stubborn to see how bad it truly was, and Keenan as coach has to be able to step in, stop the fool from playing, or at least LIMITING his potential time if the player is not performing.

Phaneuf was both injured and a fool, but it ultimately rests on the coach.

by brisulph on Jul 29, 2009 4:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I always get tons of crap for this...

…but don’t ignore the fact that dating a Hollywood celebrity (she may be a D list one, but still) coupled with the fact that he might of been severely injured and Keenan having no desire to develop his young players as a factor in his down year. Having paparazzi take your pictures and hound you when on vacation and guys like Sean Avery starting a media storm about your private life can definitely effect the way a guy is playing especially if he’s hurt. Not everyone handles that stuff the same. To use a bad pun, the spotlight may have slightly blinded him last year. With that said, there is no reason he shouldn’t bounce back next season.

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by KingJafi on Jul 29, 2009 8:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Injured, with a slight nod to mismanaged.

Inevitable depreciation of talent is ridiculous for a 23 year old player.
Incompetent? One year after a Norris nomination? Not likely.
Injury, especially when you consider the list of injuries he was revealed to be playing with at the end of the year, seems like the overwhelmingly obvious explanation.

Mismanagement by the coach at first seems silly, he was coming off a Norris Trophy nomination under the same coach, after all, but if the team knew he was hurt, the coach should have scaled back his minutes. And, frankly, if he required surgery, it should have been done. That would put the fault partially with management and the doctors as well.

by Resolute on Jul 30, 2009 7:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Apparently hip injuries are sufferable through rehab, which is a route commonly taken before surgery. Symptoms of a bad hip are groin pain and limited mobility.

Rehabbing a hip involves
1) Rest – looks like there wasn’t much of that!
2) Anti-inflammatory drugs
3) Physical re-hab
4) Cortesone shots

I can imagine that Phaneuf was so bullheaded he tried to caveman his way through the injury, and ‘convinced’ the org to try the rehab route instead. Keenan probably said “okay, sure!” as he did with Kipper wanting to play, the entire season.

If he went with surgery, he’d be gone for 3 months, and I doubt he comes back the same, at least for that season!

Nonetheless, I agree with you – I think Phaneuf had too much input into the whole situation, and doctors and the team weren’t involved enough.

by Bullard22 on Jul 30, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

The odd thing is I’ve heard nothing about Dion having surgery or anything this off-season. Does that mean he’s back to trying to rehab the hip?

by Kent Wilson on Jul 30, 2009 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

this is also my fear…. as mentionned in the “big questions” comments thread.

by walkinvisible on Jul 30, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m actually worried a bit about Regehr – he’s still going through a pretty extensive knee rehab.

by Bullard22 on Jul 31, 2009 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

i actually heard yesterday that regehr might be gone for a good chunk of the season

by walkinvisible on Jul 31, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess we’ll have a better idea of the veracity of that rumour in a couple weeks when the Olympic camp opens. Though if he was likely to be out that long, I expect Regehr would have simply declined the invitation outright.

by Resolute on Jul 31, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

i agree that we’ll know in a couple of weeks on reggie’s status due to olympic camp, but i disagree that he would have declined the invitation…. did sakic ? i don’t think so….

by walkinvisible on Jul 31, 2009 8:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Sakic said he would not be attending the camp when he announced his retirement.

If he is that seriously injured, it would not be wise for Regehr (or Phaneuf, for that matter) to attend, since he would not be able to achieve much beyond risking an aggrivation of an injury.

by Resolute on Aug 2, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully it’s just a re-hab issue and not a “still something f**ked up in there” issue.

by Kent Wilson on Aug 1, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Didn’t hear that about Regehr! With this many people potentially injured it takes a lot of the luster out of the line up improvments. Better get these guys some good chiropractors, physios and sports rehab guys or we may end up in a larger than usual early season slump.

by 44stampede on Aug 6, 2009 4:05 AM PDT reply actions  

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