Flames GM Darryl Sutter announced signings of Greg Nemisz, Keith Seabrook, and T.J. Brodie today
Add another 3 to the pile. Conspicuously absent: Kris Chucko and Dustin Boyd.
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I honestly don’t give a fig about Chucko either. I could take him or leave him. It’s just odd that Sutter has made wave after wave of signings and both of these guys are still on the sidelines. It indicates either there are contentious issues or they aren’t priorities for the club (or some mix therein).
Rob Kerr mentioned on the radio yesterday that Sutter may be trying to get Boyd to sign another two-way contract…which really doesn’t make a lick of sense. If true, though, I can see why Boyd’s camp has balked.
by Kent Wilson on Jul 21, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Why doesn’t it make a lick of sense? Is Boyd no longer waiver exempt or something?
The Flames can already field over a full roster with nothing but one way deals. So someone is going to get waived and lost or will be making NHL money in the AHL. At some point you have to figure the ownership isn’t going to want to dole out that kind of salary for farmhands.
That’s true, but why not play hardball with Staffan Kronwall then? or Adam Pardy? I mean, is Boyd – a player with 130+ NHL games under his belt and a potential top 6 forward – actually going to spend time on the farm this year?
In addition, as far as I understand the waiver rules, Boyd will be waiver eligible for another 28 games and that’s it. As such, he will be no longer waiver exempt a quarter of the way into the season, making a two-way contract moot since there’s no way in hell the club would risk losing him on the waiver wire.
All that said, we’re speculating over unfounded rumors. For all we know, the two parties are simply haggling over term.
by Kent Wilson on Jul 21, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
*will not be waiver eligible for another 28 games
by Kent Wilson on Jul 21, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Waiver rules give me a headache… is it 28 NHL games or professional (AHL) games? If it’s just 28 games period then yes the hold-up must be due to something else ($ figure, term, or other considerations).
We’re geting awfully close to the contract max now aren’t we? These latest three (+Boyd and Chucko) must put us pretty close to 50.
If it’s NHL games then that changes things. Boyd isn’t so good that he shouldn’t have to compete for his spot on the roster. So if he can be signed on a two-way then I think D. Sutter is professionally obligated to try and save his bosses (Ownership’s) money and get him on that two-way in the event that someone else earns that spot.
If they sign him to a one way deal for a million or less and he doesn’t make the team, they won’t have a tough time trading him. If this is the game Sutter is playing, he’s already forgotten the stupidity of what he did in the Giordano situation. That little faux pas cost the team a proper NHL defenceman in 07/08 for no reason but bloody-mindedness.
by Robert Cleave on Jul 21, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Nonsense. Boyd is the best forward prospect to come out the Flames own system since Lombardi. He led the farm team in scoring as a 20 year old and already has 130+ NHL games under his belt before his 23rd birthday. He’s well ahead of Prust, McGrattan and probably Primeau and Nystrom as well. He’s poised to take the next step developmentally; that’s the guy you sign to a 2 or 3 year deal with an aim to seeing him outperform his salary, not haggle over a two-way deal because it might save the org a few grand if he can be sent to the farm within a 28 game window.
Besides that, Sutter has never been about saving the Flames ownership money. Calgary has been one of the most expensive clubs in the league in terms of real dollars the last couple of seasons. Hell, he didn’t even bother to buy out Warrener last year when it was clear as day that the old warrior was finished – a move that would have saved the team real money and some cap room.
LTIR
WRT to Warrener, given that he was on LTIR, which effectively reduces the cap hit the team bears by the amount of the injured player’s contract (I know it allows it to exceed the cap by that amount but same difference) then I think a buyout of Rhettsky would actually have increased the effective cap hit of his contract. Plus it would have put a cap hit on this year too.
I always suspected that is why DaSu didn’t make that move.
re: ownership doling out money to farmhands
After watching the baby Flames move from Omaha to Quad Cities I think the Flames ownership would be more than happy to ice an extremely potent AHL roster this year in Abbotsford.
It’s a new rink, a short flight from Calgary, and a new chapter of the nomadic franchise.
If a couple one way deals have to be paid by the Flames in Abby, I think the owners could justify that cost assuming it improves the Heat roster and thus solidifies the teams Farm club’s future in the Fraser Valley.
I don’t think ownership will have any issue subsidizing success in Abbotsford on the ice and in the community, especially in the short-term.
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by jealous broadcaster on Jul 21, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Also somewhat curious is why Mitch Wahl hasn’t been signed when Brodie and Nemisz have been. I don’t know if there’s any time frame on when he needs to be under contract or not.
I’m curious about that too. I think we can hang on to him a bit longer before losing their rights. It comes with consequences regarding the length of time he can be waiver exempt IIRC. And maybe Sutter is just keeping a contract slot open for a future acquisition and Wahl and Bouma just drew the short stick…. who knows.
If I’m reading the CBA right, they have until June 1, 2010 to sign Wahl. If they don’t, he goes back into the draft.
by Robert Cleave on Jul 21, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m increasingly worried about Boyd not coming back, but then I read this stuff and it seems to calm me.
From the Calgary Sun
“His signing leaves the Flames with 22 players on one-way contracts, and one big-leaguer remaining to sign, Dustin Boyd.
Dawes, who attended a golf tournament with Boyd last week prior to the transaction that made him a member of the Flames, has spent time scouring the Calgary roster."
They are already doing the teammate rounds? Sounds promising.
They’re both from here (Winnipeg), Lawrence. They likely know each other from earlier. Winnipeg is the world’s largest small town in that way sometimes.
by Robert Cleave on Jul 21, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I think everyone’s reading too much into Boyd not signed yet. I wish he was, because I do think he’s potential top 6 (especially if he can get a bit more strength); however, the fact he isn’t yet could be for a number of potential reasons, and doesn’t mean Sutter is playing hardball, or screwing up. Maybe Boyd’s agent has a number of other deals he’s working on and has a “we’ll get it done, just give us a couple of weeks” agreement with Sutter. Maybe Boyd’s lucky month is August.
I’m guessing this will happen soon, for a longer term than we’re expecting. My gut feel is only wrong 88.6% of the time, so there’s at least an 11.4% chance I’m right!
let’s not forget to count the number of times last season that boyd’s two-way deal totally and uttery boned him. 1. the first week before warrener went on LTIR, 2. season’s end when they couldn’t afford pelech & negrin PLUS boyd (though peters’ contract was cheap enough) etc. etc. etc. i think he was demoted three seperate times simply because he was on a two-way deal.
no way in hell i’d sign a two-way deal if i was boyd.
True…and he’ll again be waiver exempt for the first 28 games of this season. The 2 way would just save the Flames a few grand when/if he gets sent down again…which is why I say that the 2-way thing is silly (if, indeed, that’s the hold-up).
I assume he’ll be sown up soon enough, just odd that’s taken this long given how Sutter has sewn up other loose ends. Hell, it took him 3 days to sign Dawes.
Hell, it took him 3 days to sign Dawes.
An impending date for an arbitration hearing does have a way of concentrating the mind, Kent.
Darryl Sutter gave a one-way deal to Prust last summer, and to McGrattan and Kronwall this year. As you noted up thread, Boyd is clear of those guys. If Dustin Boyd doesn’t get a one-way deal, I’d be genuinely surprised. His agent would be well within his rights to start trolling for offer sheets as well. He might not get a pile of dough, but he’s worth a one-way deal to someone. This is also a team that will almost certainly lose at least 1 or 2 of their top 3 centers next summer. Jokinen will be gone for cap reasons and Conroy might very well retire. I don’t see them pissing away a long-term asset over money that they’ll likely never save.
by Robert Cleave on Jul 21, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Of note to this topic Sutter was on Fan960 and when the subject of Boyd came up one of the things he mentioned was whether it would be a 1 or 2 way contract. Between Those comments, the length of time it’s taking to get this done, the number of 1-ways already signed, the fact that Boyd has a 28 NHL game waiver exempt window, and the number of non-waiver exempt folk expected to challange for roster spots I’m almost starting to get the feeling that Boyd might not be in the NHL this season.
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