Gamethread #3 - Hawks @ Flames
by Kent Wilson on Apr 20, 2009 2:00 PM PDT
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PrintChicago Blackhawks at Calgary Flames, Apr 20, 2009 6:30 PM PDT
Enjoy the injection of fanciful sentimentality and can-do-ism below? Great...
But now we're back to the real stuff. Flames are down by 2 to a club they haven't once beat this season - or even scored more than 2 goals on. Regehr and Sarich are still injured and the PP, while no longer oh-fer, still has all the poise and organization of gaggle of toddlers at recess.
To air a dreadful cliche, this is a must win game - that is, if the Flames have any designs of coming back in this series. Or at least squeezing one more home date out of the first round for their owners, who spent a lot of money on this 5th placed roster this season. They probably owe them that at least. On the other hand, if a contingent in the dressing is working on getting Keenan ousted, this would be an ideal game to throw...
Good news:
- Word from practice this morning is that Patrick Kane is a "game-time decision". Kane hasn't been Toews or Havlat good so far, but he is a significant cog in the Hawks offensive machine. His absence could only help Calgary's cause.
- Mike Keenan was seen running with these lines today:
Bork - Old man - Jarmoe
Squid - The Chin - Sore Thumb
Glengarry Glencross - No-lli Score-nin - Mo(N)sster*
Pluggers
Which closely matches my own thoughts on the matter. Here's hoping Keenan sticks with them for more than 5 shifts.
*(nicknames used to amuse long time readers and confuse passing enemy fans).
Bad News:
Anders Eriksson, curiously, declared to the media throng that he's playing. He had put in a few reps with Dion Phaneuf during the morning skate.
"I’m in tonight. Playing tonight," said Eriksson. "You’ve got to give the old guys a day off in between games. But I’m back in. I’m excited. I think it was good to sit back and see and watch the game the other night just to see what’s happening. Hopefully, I can bring that in tonight.
This might actually be good news, depending on how Keenan deploys ol' Bubba. Of course, since Iron Mike can't seem to contain himself when Anders is in the line-up, I wouldn't count on it. Twelve minutes of Eriksson against nobodies = good. 20 minutes against anything better than nobodies = trouble.
- Also, looks like Lundmark is the odd man out tonight. That sucks for a guy who had really proven to be a useful player down the stretch for this club. If there was any justice, Bertuzzi would be the healthy scratch this evening.
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by jealous broadcaster on Apr 20, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions
i would accept “superman” for “chin” (obvious reasons), and would prefer “dustin timberlake” for the the pluggers line centre.
can you please tell me who’s in for “third time’s a charm” ? is it “the king” or “WoPete” (this is a “MoPete” reference for anyone who watches basketball/was a raptors fan three years ago).
also, i’m not sure who “sat for pardy” is but i’m pretty sure vandy’s on the blueline. ;)
Watching the Caps game right now...
…Ovechkin looks like a force of nature out there. Anyone remember when Iginla used to seem that way?
i presume this will be the place to be once again this evening…. in which case, i’d like to point out that pj stock’s playoff beard is coming in nicely…. ;)
i disagree entirely.
on a lighter note (if you can get lighter than pj stock), i saw your doppleganger at the vrri today.
Ugh.
Not good
Welcome to Smashville, Tennessee.
by Aditya T (smashville) on Apr 20, 2009 6:47 PM PDT reply actions
By the way
I’m a Preds fan first, Flames fan second. Since the Preds were ousted, GO FLAMES!
Welcome to Smashville, Tennessee.
by Aditya T (smashville) on Apr 20, 2009 6:48 PM PDT reply actions
so what team do you guys wanna support next year ?
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
you know who’s been better than jokinen ? EVERYBODY
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s guys I’d rather have than Keenan but he isn’t one of them.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
No kidding. That’s the scoring line from the very beginning of the season. Surprise, surprise, it generates some scoring chances.
Strange what happens when you put your top centre with your top wingers. Who’d have thunk it?
by BIGBADBLAINE on Apr 20, 2009 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Our defensive coverage needs to be much better. We let them have way too much room to work when they have pressure on.
-Colin
it’s swiss cheese period. we need gio/regehr or more healthiness
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
“He can’t be stopped.” Mike Keenan said about Bert this year. But he failed to finish his sentence:
“…from making stupid, backhand passes.”
That was the point where I thought, “yup, he’s crazier that a shithouse rat.”
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I use the Bertuzzi spinarama at wednesday night ball hockey and it’s gold!
by BIGBADBLAINE on Apr 20, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m at the point where if it doesn’t turn into an odd man rush the other way, I accept it. That isn’t good.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn’t that in the Donavan/kobesew days?
by BIGBADBLAINE on Apr 20, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
OK, let's look at that play
Bertuzzi makes a rare good physical play, and gets a scoring chance. His pea brain decides the refs are blind and he can get away with anything since he’s a good player, so he high-sticks a guy away from the puck.
BIGGGGG BODYYYY PRESENCEEEEE
Wow…Kipper flops at the side of the net and almost hands them another one.
And the hawks hit their 2nd post.
I think that Kipper has been over committing all season long. He’s always sliding further then he needs to.
by BIGBADBLAINE on Apr 20, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I just thought you were channeling Don Cherry.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m more shifty than violent, Kent, but you’re not out of line, given the circumstances.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not our problem we are down 2-0. It’s the hot goaltending of the Khabibulin. We should stop being so hard on Jokinen and Bertuzzi. It’s not them, it’s him.
If Chicago still had Darren Pang we’d be up 2-0 with Joke and Bert with atleast 10 points.
by BIGBADBLAINE on Apr 20, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
hahahahaha…… awesome…. (that’s a joke, right ?)
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Im not going to give a free ride to Jarome, either. I think he had maybe 2 good shifts in that period. Six minutes of ice, zero shots. Just not enough out of him.
Yeah I miss the days when he would draw 2 guys over to him and he would power through them into the slot for a shot or pass.
by BIGBADBLAINE on Apr 20, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough
But in fairness to him, it must be tough playing withthe shit rotating linemates he’s dealt. His best two shifts were those with Langkow, and they generated chances.
no, seriously. there are cross-crease passes but NOBODY in red out front of the net. EVER…. waht’s up with that ?
Well look at Detroit it obviously doesn’t work for them.
by BIGBADBLAINE on Apr 20, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Just go hard to the damn net for once.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That view behind the net really showed Iggy’s sloppy play. He missed the pass and lost the puck, because he was looking for the next play before he had made the previous one.
i honestly cannot explain what makes jarome terrible this year, other than (at this point) it’s confidence lost.
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Never mind this crap PP
I can’t believe that assface in the Bertuzzi jersey just insdie the blueline at the left of your screen is still standing up when the camera comes by. It’s playoffs!
meh. no point in watching the game….. plus he’s probably trying to get the wave going. :P
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Bertuzzi missed that pass from Iggy because it was on his forehand. We know that Bert is only good on the back hand.
what’s your dog, pluggers,’ favorite thing ?
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
This is brutal
The Flames can’t pass, can’t shoot, can’t skate. Are they actually TRYING to lose? Those two powerplays were worse than the St.Louis powerplays last night
bert did. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *sigh
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a bad sign when ...
Negative to positive comments in a string like this go at a ratio of about 150:1. I mean, we’re some negative bastards, but …
we’re totally in this game, we just need to make smarter decisions so that this doesn’t end up like the last 2 games!
The Hawks must feel like the Flames did in that 4-1 loss to Vancouver in the Division Title game right now.
you might notice i’m never right when i guarantee shit. it’s one of those stupidstitions.
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
(also, i probably need a shower, period).
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
So who’s ready for the shutdown defense? (That is, the Flames shut down their defense to give up a couple of goals)
The Flames may actually win a second period this series. That would be a positive. It’s amazing how much Chicago dominates puck possession. Everytime they hem the Flames in and then we break out, I think OH….TWO on ONE…..then the screen pans over and their are 2 Hawks “D”. Then I remember….god we suck right now
Bert and Jarome, obviously. They’re unstoppable…
/Keenan’ed
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, we're ahead. That's good
I wasn’t overly impressed with that period, but what the hell.
At least we aren’t the Habs I guess.
Uh, don't speak too soon
There’s a whole third period ahead, and I smell an ineffective 2-2-1 on the way.
Look at Kobasew’s two goals in the first four games of the playoffs. He was definitely expendable at the price of Brad Stuart, just like Ference was absolutely less valuable than Wayne Primeau. At the time AND now.
corsi thus far.
Doesn’t paint a pretty picture. I expect it to get worse now that the Flames are ahead going into the 3rd.
Yeah, I can’t see Olli’s plus 7 holding up. And Iginla and Langkow, uh, not good at all.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I hadn’t been following the Sharks-Anaheim series. I’m not Ducks fan, but I’ll be thrilled to see the Sharks go down in the first round. (Partly because they’re the one team ahead of us on the “most overrated” chart right now, as long as they don’t win a cup.)
I remember looking at Hiller’s numbers midway through the season. Anaheim’s got a steal of a goaltender there.
They’ve had 2 consecutive back-ups (Bryzgalov) that were about as good as Giguere. Nice luxury.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
To attempt to provide an answer to this, both he and Glencross are getting lost in the shuffle. Keenster will DS Iginla and Jokey at every opportunity, and with the lines being adjusted shift to shift, they’re getting shorted.
Not a good reason, but might be the reason.
It’s pretty disconcerting to see the Hawks winning the possession battle against the Flames on home ice. Calgary’s primary strength during the season – ES play – isn’t even winning out here.
They’ve been in the ditch for 6 weeks straight. At some point that’s not a bad patch, just who you are.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
You asking me?
I never had any problem with Moss. Maybe I’m missing something.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Yeah, I realized...
… I’m on the East Coast. It’s past my bedtime. Not enough oxygen to my brain.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Nice! Whodda thunk we would have come out aggressively to start the third? Not me.
Also nice to see a rebound go right onto our stick for a change.
Smartest comment by the color man tonight: When the Flames are all doing the same forecheck/dump in game, they do well.
It took the Flames a while to figure it out. There’s nothing wrong with Dump and Chase, especially if the other team is good at slowing you down over the blue line. The Flyers took two games to figure that out against Pittsburgh. They got it right yesterday, and look at the results.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
seriously ?? has bertuzzi NOT tried either a drop pass or between the legs pass on ANY shift tonight ?!?!?!
Everytime I see Bertuzzi doing that...
… I think, “Is it 1993? Or 1987 even?”
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I’m trying the reverse psychology too, Duncan.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m sure that’s what Pierre will tell us shortly.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Kill the penalty.
Don’t give them life.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Kill the penalty, part 2: Electric Boogaloo
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I just imagine Mike Richards’ Imitation of Steve Armitage when you type that.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s skated very well most of the year, to be fair. He’s been good for his dollar.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
i’m around. just didn’t have much to say….
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Jokinen too, surprisingly.
He needs a goal just to break the hex.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Jesus Langkow. Bad game for Daymond tonight.
I guess they’re not calling anything on the Hawks anymore.
minus 9 Corsi would certainly confirm that, Kent.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The Cory Sarich effect?
Apparently Sarich only played 80 seconds in the 3rd period of game 2, and look at the game he’s had tonight.
Oh, there he is. Bulin the save.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I don’t know if its been mentioned yet but the last time the hawks played the flames at the Dome in a playoff game I believe it was Jarome’s second NHL game.
i love that he’s “unsung” …. mostly by people who think bert and iggy (and jokinen) have been awesome.
Our interpretation of good hockey still isn’t widely shared, I’m afraid.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Tighten up, boys.
We’re not out of the woods yet.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
dion needs to make an effort to get back, actually
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Big Bert
Does he EVER use the forehand?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
hahahahaha…. well considering how he’s been looking…
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t know that Pierre graded on a curve.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
"Monsters love to get hard on people."
Mr. McGuire, that is FAR too open to interpretation.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
haha. If someone mic’ed players for a season and then spliced together the best bits, I’d buy that movie. For sure.
George Carlin’s 7 words would get a workout, I’d wager.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed. this “wasting his hands” thing is bunk…..
btw? i was wrong. this is the warmup start song.
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
more or less hilarious to your dad than the mcguire comment ?
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
These things are so much more fun when my team is winning the game (unlike Anaheim a few years ago).
Calgary’s gonna get it league trouble for 6 on the ice. Hopefully Burish does for that crosscheck too.
-Colin
Just finish the game, please.
Wow, Chicago’s bench.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Well...it wont be a sweep at least.
The support players came through this evening. And Kipper was good.
Parallels?
The Flyers lost game 1, the Flames lost game 1.
The Flyers lost game 2, the Flames lost game 2.
The Flyers won game 3, the Flames won game 3.
May the parallels continue, for the good of both teams.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I’m surprised at that, actually. I guess Chicago got most of their leads in shots on those last PPs.
It wasn’t any hell at the end of the second, IIRC.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Way I see it, math is about right after three games. Flames have won three periods, Hawks have won six, and it’s 2-1 in games.
Good Night and Good Hockey
I’m tired. Off to bed. Great game.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Well it was scrambly tonight, but you clearly saw tonight what happens when you have competent goaltending.
Jarome’s mad now, hopefully all those myths about him “needing to be fired up” are true… won’t hold my breath.
Third line was the obvious MVP, but I thought Sarich quietly had a capable game. It wasn’t mistake free by any means. But, he was the best of the D, I thought.
Vandermeer and Aucoin continue to be bad. Jokinen looked… like a difference maker? Wtf?
Jokinen turned things around after that terrible first period.
Bertuzzi needs to be sat. He’s a total waste.
Sarich is a really interesting case. He was struggling when matched with Regehr on the top line, but I thought he really improved his play when he dropped down to lesser competition. And he’s being called on to take on tougher guys, and he’s holding up. Pretty similar to Conroy, actually. Reduced role → increased confidence → better play, I guess.
Indeed. He’s starting to play to his contract for sure. And the thing is, you can totally tell the difference that having him makes (calmer when he’s on the ice, scramblier when he’s off) – which tells you how different this series could be with Regehr.
okay, so seriously ?
that bertuzzi tap on keenan —the one that said “wait a second, coach. think about it” -- was sortof fascinating.
could you imagine ANYONE else doing that ? boyd ? iginla, even ???
there is a relationship there. a friendship or something.
it was truly out of character for a coach/player relationship. but probably explains A LOT
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
i thought this exactly, before i realized how odd it was. that i couldn’t imagine a single other player ever doing that to keenan.
(leave it alone. too easy)
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
i don’t know what i think it was but i swear it was abnormal. like they for sure go for beers after games or have each other’s families over for dinner.
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank goodness
The Herald is carrying on a “liveblog” tonight. Apparently there’s still 1:25 left, we should find that game somewhere.
Bet she took off for the dressing room and forgot to update.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Not unless you can get the real McCoy out on the ice to go with it.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
You won’t know unless you ask him to model it, WI.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
i’ll ask him if you know where i can get ahold of him…
also, i’m pretty sure he’d prefer wearing his whole name…
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s called commitment. Wearing the Gio 5 would be like a Bertuzzi spinarama backhand at this point.
yeah but if i wear gio to the game, and we lose, i can always come back with the jr XL for G5
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
i agree that you should stick with the JXL.
and i am will stick with my Nieminan jersey that I wore tonight.
tough call… you know, i haven’t pulled the jrXL out for months. maybe it’s only good every now and then (sortof like jokinen) ?
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
but you DO keep going back to the jokinen-iginla duo
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
okay fine. jrXL. can i BRING gio in case a mid-game change is needed ???
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
this is seriously gonna keep me up for the next two nights. i’m pretty sure the gio jersey has only lost once at the dome this year, while the jr XL has lost a lot of games…. i’m seriously gonna lose sleep over this.
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you from a Blues fan
for kicking the Blackhawks in the pills. What a bunch of whiny azz crybabies.
I wanted the Hawks first but right now we’re kinda busy with the Nucks.
LETS GO BLUES!!!
Dum spiramus tuebimur
it absolutely is. my buddy jason is from st.louis and has described to me at length the blues/hawks rivalry
by walkinvisible on Apr 20, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe, but it’s good times for us losers. Almost 1 a.m. here, time to hit the sack. Thanks everyone.
Indeed. As a parting thought, Jokinen gets away from Iginla tonight and plays better. Langkow plays as poorly as we’ve seen in a while with Iginla. Is Jarome the carrier? NIght, all.
by Robert Cleave on Apr 20, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow - interesting read of the comments...
I had a hockey game so tape delayed the feed, and just finished watching. And my impressions during the entire game (other than the first 5 minutes) are so completely out of step with the comments I just read. I’ve already said I’m Mr. Optimistic, but seriously, that was as negative a set of comments overall for a well played win that I’ve ever seen. I guess most everyone is seeing Chicago completely dominating the Flames this series – everyone is entitled to their opinion, so that’s cool. But I’m seeing a well-played, evenly matched series where the home team has won every game…and the next one’s in Calgary.
Oh well, it’s always good to read others to get contrary opinions, so I’ll be back. But reading most of the comments was pretty disappointing…
I’ve never understood why people have expectations of “comments”. Especially gamethread comments, where stuff is said off the cuff without reference to perspective. It doesn’t make me happy or sad to see negative or positive comments. I just find it interesting either way, depending on how I saw the game.
Anyways, I like what I saw from some quarters in the game (support players, defensemen, Kipper), but there were still some areas that could improve (PP, Iginla, Langkow). I thought CHI deserved better through 2 periods but Flames were probably full value in the third. I like the teams chances if Jarome would awaken from his slumber if they can continue like this.
by Kent Wilson on Apr 20, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, reading over the comments and it surprises ME how negative they are.
Maybe it’s the nature of the beast. Either the very good or very bad is expressed. the in-between isn’t bothered to be communicated. Im guessing if you looked at a gamethread at CP it wojuld be similar tonight.
Anyways, I actually came away with a better overall impression of the game than was communicated here I’d say.
by Kent Wilson on Apr 20, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the team played well, even when it was tied. But we all seem to use the comments more to vent about small mistakes than to praise good small plays like, “nice hit by connie” or “smart play by leopold”
Pretty much. Part of it maybe the last 6 weeks of relative futility causing frustration. Also, I make for a terrible cheerleader, even at the best of times.
by Kent Wilson on Apr 20, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I think what happened was that we saw a lot of “the same old bullshit” last night – Jokinen being terrible (in the first), Bertuzzi being terrible, etc. As a fan that really makes watching difficult, as these factors have cost us in the way of losses and post-game grief. Hence a lot of the negative comments.
Overall though I’d say the Flames held their own.
Is Bourque out?
Does anyone know … is Bourque Injured now? Burrish is definitely getting suspended. You wanna talk about a suspendable offense of cross checking to the head and factor in it was in the last minute of a game out of hand (ie sending a message) I cant imagine how he wont be out a game or two. I wonder if that was some sort of retribution. Chicagos full of shit Kanes not out with the flu, hes totally hurting after those hits by Bourque. Its just easier to say “Flu” than “Our Star player is a whiney little bitch who is too small to play in the NHL”
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