Flames At Stars Gamethread
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 5:00 PM PST
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Calgary Flames at Dallas Stars, Nov 4, 2009 5:30 PM PST
Lot's of down time recently, so questions about the team have been left hanging over everyone's heads. Through the first month there's things to like and dislike about the club but we're probably still not all that close to knowing precisely what we have this year. One thing we can probably say for certain is: choosing Jokinen over Cammalleri was a mistake.
Calgary rolls into Dallas, who is suddenly healthy. This isn't a team I fear anymore and I think that Modano and Lehtinen are lesser additions to the roster relative to a few years ago, but...Calgary can't afford to take anyone lightly given the quality of their play lately (outside of a few bright spots that is). On top of all that, beleaguered back-up Curtis McElhinney will get a chance to redeem the game 5 loss this evening. I've been slow to indict the youngster on the strength of so few starts (and such crappy support) but the truth of the matter is he'll have to put together better than average performances going forward in order to preserve his place in the line-up. Maybe he'll start tonight.
Let the swearing begin!
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I’m hoping that a more normalized schedule will benefit the Flames. Playing 1 game every 3-4 days as they have been for the last few weeks makes it difficult to find any kind of rhythm or groove, despite all the rest that they are getting.
-Colin
by Colin S on Nov 4, 2009 5:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
McGrattan will deter Steve Ott tonight, right? Right??
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 5:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He’ll likely do as much good as Pedro just did against Matsui.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Kent, sorry for not responding to you earlier, but it was going to be a game-time decision watching this game.
Fortunately I am going to be able to watch. So I’m going to give the Jarome-watching the old college try. Although full disclosure, I get distracted sometimes and I’m also going to keep an eye on who matches up vs. Richards.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 5:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No problem. Bob already volunteered, although if both you guys want to do it and then compare notes, that could work too.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m good either way. If you want to take a swing at it, R O, feel free.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re going to watch Jarmoe, I can focus on Richards. That matchup is key imo.
Betcha it’s a mixture of Langkow and Iginla units. Dallas is at home after all.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We should start a pool: when do the folks in charge realize that Olli Jokinen isn’t one of the Flames best players.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 5:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m jealous that you guys get to watch Jarome Iginla on a regular basis.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 5:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well you shouldn’t be. Not this year, at least. He’s been abysmal.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s depressing… want Wayne Primeau back?
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what McGuire was smoking. Jarmoe took his usual right wing position once the puck went into the Dallas zone.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 5:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
connie + stick infraction ??? noooooo….
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to get mad at Boyd for losing the defenseman there, but then he made the block on the ensuing shot.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 5:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lack of offensive support doesn’t excuse McE’s poor goaltending. He has to make some saves early and give his team a chance to believe in him. More importantly, he can’t kill momentum like he did the firt game against Dallas.
Interesting to see if this team means it for once when they talk about needing to be better.
by Resolute on Nov 4, 2009 5:45 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
pretty stoked that they put cumac in the first game of a b2b.
also stoked that i’m gonna see kipper tomorrow at scottrade
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 5:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
McElhinney handling the puck like a grenade on that chance. The first rebound – forgivable. The second – not so much.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 5:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Flames aren’t skating or passing the puck with authority thus far.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 5:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How was Jay Bouwmeester looked thus far?
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 5:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No complaints. Pretty much as advertised.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hard match so far I believe. Iginla vs. Richards.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 5:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Except when the 4th line for Dallas had them pinned, yup.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 5:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
omg..
That little girl is way too far on the obnoxious side of cute.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 5:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Flames kinda look like they’re stuck in pre-season. A lot of “You got it? Me? You? Who’s going to get it?” around loose pucks.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 5:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It’s like Night at the Roxbury, without the head nodding. And somehow less funny.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great check by Iginla to keep the play alive there.
-Colin
by Colin S on Nov 4, 2009 5:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is Iggy hurt or something?? What happened to his ice time?
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 5:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I always ignore Pierre. When the glint from his scalp isn’t busy destroying my retinas.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Iginla is getting more ice because the Flames dressed McGrattan and he’s basically useless.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 5:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oui. You should work for TSN. Just yell a bunch of nonsense and you should be good.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Doug MacLean can do it, anybody can do it. And I mean that literally.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yell a bunch of nonsense in your audition, that is. You can be normal when you get the job ;-)
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bouwmeester with Lidstrom-like patience with that stick check.
Another Dallas PP coming up… hopefully not as passive as before.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 5:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I love the fact that have Nelson’s “ha ha!” after an away penalty in Dallas.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 5:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow. They’re rally lucky not to get scored on there.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And now Richards vs. Langkow. Jeez none of our forward lines can get traction against him.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just owned that obnoxious NHLNumbers guy on Twitter.
by Kenjamin on Nov 4, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, I think this answers the “do bag skates effect performance” question. Answer: no.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Five on three. Is Dallas’ as bad as Calgary’s?
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 6:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jeez I wish I could mute McGuire. Fuckin facepalm
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 6:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Flames just need to get out of this period.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Chances were 10-3 in favor of Dallas, including 7 straight. Of course, those numbers are skewed by all the PP time.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
At least 6 on the PP I bet. Dallas is holding a slight edge at EV imo, but not that much of an edge.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 6:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dumb question: how did iggy get his black eye?
by awildermode on Nov 4, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In practice. That’s all anyone has said about it.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he said he was “battling hard” but he wouldn’t say who with.
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I thought McElhinney had himself a good period, which is nice. Not sure there was much else to recommend.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I dunno Kent, he got saved by the D I think. A ton of soft rebounds into the outer crease area and those go in bang-bang if the D didn’t subdue the forwards.
And his save recovery is worse than Kipper. Yikes.
But he saved all the shots. +1!
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Him saving all the shots is all Im looking for right now.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK so Richards seems to have against a mishmash of our guys. Iginla for a couple shift, boyd for a couple shifts, and then Langkow. This all a bit fuzzy but that’s what I saw.
And not a single one of them held traction against Richards. Not one.
The defencemen 1-4 were all outstanding though, and they had to be. I suppose that’s what happens when you pay for them, they are all good. But the forwards have to help, they have to bring the puck into the Dallas zone.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 6:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That’s probably Crawford’s doing (Richards hopping around).
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a lot of empty seats in Dallas
by Calgarian in SJ on Nov 4, 2009 6:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Does Bouwmeester have the “A” on his sweater? Not sure he’s much of a leader, seems like he’s a bit reserved for the job.
Good period minus all the penalties. McBackup looks… better? Is it my imagination or does he seem to give up huge rebounds. And will someone please punch Steve Ott in the face… got dang I hate Steve Ott.
by Parallex on Nov 4, 2009 6:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i think he looks better. probably because the D isn’t too tired (like in the usual 2nd game of a b2b) to clear his rebounds…. anyone hear much about kipps not feeling well…. ?
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sutter just said he had a bit of a bug, without much else. I guess he went to the rink for the pregame and headed right back to the hotel.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kipper was good enough to dress, but I’d guess if Irving was easily available, Kipper would have stayed at the hotel.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
9 shifts for Iginla, but 1 was for 1 second. In his 8 real shifts, 2 were on the PP. With all the penalties, he basically didn’t play the last five minutes. He was out against the 4th line twice, and his line went nowhere either time. His only really noticeable shift was the first PP, with the hit on Robidas and the shot from the middle that Robidas blocked. Tough for someone to get any traction in that kind of period when you’re a guy who doesn’t PK .
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 6:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, not much of a chance to make a mark.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
since when do gio and pardy play the PK ?
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
or better, since when does gio play more PK mins than dion ??
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(not that this is bad or anything buuut….)
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sitting here watching the Hitmen be everything the Flames should be. Hard skating, hard checking and miserable to play against. The Flames need to take in a junior game to see how it is done.
by Resolute on Nov 4, 2009 6:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
maybe they should hire the hitmen coach.
uh.
wait….. ;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ps: i am in st. louis, and nerding out with you chumps…. turns out i AM a loser !!!! :)
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were supposed to be down there. Enjoy things tomorrow.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m SILLY excited… :) hopin’ for a win. my buddy jason’s got a SWEEEET blues third jersey with berglund on the back….. i’m gonna jersey him in the concourse
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
goblins have taken over adthe.net
by Calgarian in SJ on Nov 4, 2009 6:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can I declare a moratorium on use of the word “structure” when talking about the Flames?
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
“the structure is collapsing?”
by Resolute on Nov 4, 2009 6:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to believe Jokinen didn’t bury that.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
is it really that hard to believe ???
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Such was the quality of the chance.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can tolerate McGuire over McNab – but Pierre is such a Phaneuf nuthugger it’s pathetic
by Calgarian in SJ on Nov 4, 2009 6:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I assume McGuire dreams about Phaneuf and Crosby having pillow fights.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
awm: jay got your $$, btw…. thanks !!! did you get the book ?
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Will the Flames EVER manage to get a shot past a Dallas defender in this game? Jesus Christ boys.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, the score may be 0-0, but the Flames don’t even look like they belong in the same rink as the Stars.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Iginla is trying to win battles but when it’s a midget like Robidas he’s battling, it doeesn’t really prove anything.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 6:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He’s doing something for a change though.
The cycle dies with Jokinen all the time still.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No idea how that Gio chance didn’t go in.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
every once in a while he comes up up with one of those – and then nice hustle on the backcheck at the other end
by Calgarian in SJ on Nov 4, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sarich is being killed tonight. That’s like the 5th 10 bell chance for Dallas this period as well. I’d say the goaltending is actually holding the Flames in this game.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One team looks sharp. The other is Calgary, unfortunately.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 6:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ofificiating is bullshit right now. Flames interfered with at least twice in their own zone. Fine, it’s obvious but don’t call it. But don’t go and call the obvious trip.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 6:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this is where we find out if cumac’s a real goalie
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
McElhinney looks much better this period in every way except the numbers (where he is the same).
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 6:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That’s a break for Calgary. Missed PS beats a five on three.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 6:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Saw that penalty shot. Nice save. How the hell do you give up a breakaway on the pk anyway?
by Resolute on Nov 4, 2009 6:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
A very short breakaway. It’s definitely call-able as a PS but I’ve seen it not called a PS before.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that new mask is working for backelhinney
by awildermode on Nov 4, 2009 6:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WHY ARE WE NOT CALLING HIM BACKELHINNEY ??!?
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
dunno, i just made it up a few minutes ago. you like?
by awildermode on Nov 4, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m totally in. except it’s pretty effin’ long for a nickname….. ;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cause I prefer “Mc-L-Hinney”?
Sounds like he has been good tonight though.
by Resolute on Nov 4, 2009 6:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
mcbackup, cumac, backelhinney. the latter is the best, methinks.
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
shots are 29-14 for Dallas. Flames are playing like shit in front of him. Again.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
16-9 at EV. Still killing, but the PPs aren’t helping.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 6:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a fight is what will spark the flames goin’…
by Outz on Nov 4, 2009 6:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is an absolute massacre in terms of scoring chances. Probably the most lopsided game I’ve seen, aside from the Flames-Avs game.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 6:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
vintage iggy. the only goal he can score.
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pierre is completely right. He was watching on the Dallas forecheck and floated into the middle even before that play around the net.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 6:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Extremely fortunate to score there and not the other way around. That said, nice shot.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure. Whatever line he’s on is getting kicked at EV, though. Corsi for the team is going to end up around -4 after two, and Iggy is -9, worst by a mile.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly a function of icetime I think. By my eye Iggy’s getting doubeshifted, NHL TOI tables confirm he’s played 11 of a possible 27 EV minutes
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See this is where we can categorically disprove the notion that Sutter is bringing “structure” to the Flames. Iggy’s the weakside winger there, and he anticipated the puck battle would be won by Calgary and moved appropriately.
I mean that was a horrible guess (that was Dallas’ first line I believe, so they’re good) but if Sutter was implementing “structure” then that decision is not even in Iginla’s hands. That’s the sensible approach anyway (wingers should be able to adapt).
I think the trumpeters of the Flames “structure” don’t know what they even mean by that.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McGuire finally comes up with a decent comment … Iggy scored but got beat seconds before in his own end
by Calgarian in SJ on Nov 4, 2009 6:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
anyone find it interesting that iggy scores on the first shift he plays with conroy and not jokinen ?
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 6:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i could be wrong but that’s what it looked like from st.lou. ;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish these douchebags would talk about EV shots. It’s basic hockey knowledge that PPs affect shot volume.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 6:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They also affect fatigue. Overall shot totals have value too.
by Resolute on Nov 4, 2009 7:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
What do you expect ….. it’s MCGUIRE!!!
by Calgarian in SJ on Nov 4, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly a good period, except for CurtisMc, and One good shot from Iggy
by Outz on Nov 4, 2009 7:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That is a good period for us.
by Resolute on Nov 4, 2009 7:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Flames are extremely lucky to be ahead at this point. They did sort of look like an NHL club after the Iginla goal though.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Chances were 10-4 in that period for Dallas. They’ve already garnered 20 scoring chances and we’re only 2/3rd of the way through. To put that in perspective, I almost never hand out 20 scoring chances in a game.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
An overall Richards vs. Iginla hard match by the looks of it this period.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 7:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
corsi through 2. Iginla just getting his ass handed to him, despite the kudos the panel is currently raining on him.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Safe to say Modano, Benn and Ott are on a line, and playing terrible?
by Resolute on Nov 4, 2009 7:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
haha, don’t really notice it with all the PP and PK time. I think they’re being beat out by Glencross/Boyd/Moss.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Iggy through 2: 18 shifts, 1 goal,. He had one decent forechecking shift early with Joker-Nystrom. The shift after the goal, he was on the wrong side of his guy down low again, in almost the same spot where he was before his goal. He still seems soft on the puck when he isn’t shooting. -9 Corsi. Double shifted or no, he’s getting a tongue bath despite his actual play.
Oh, and Jokinen, oy vey. He looks terribly awkward when he’s taking the puck up ice, like it’s a SuperBall on his stick.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 7:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey Kent, did you catch this article on TSN from Scott Cullen? http://tsn.ca/blogs/scott_cullen/?id=297105 ?
Mentions how Jokinen and Iginla have faced some of the most high level competition. Also mentions Boyd facing some of the lowest.
I only bring this up as you and a few others have mentioned on a number of occasions how Iggy and Jokinen have been in the most favorable conditions and still not producing.
I admit I have no idea what the corsi values measure compared to what he does (or behindthenet.ca)
I haven’t been able to see a full game besides the occasional HNIC (I live on the other side of the world and it is morning time for me at work during most games) so I can’t really comment on his actual play but wondering why the opinions are either that he is still very good to being terrible.
by 44stampede on Nov 4, 2009 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He’s going purely off of QUAL COMP from behind the net which is a useless measure at this point in the season (sample too small).
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wandell goes around Pardy like a knife through butter. Pardy has looked AWFUL tonight.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jokinen is trying to defend, but he has absolutely no anticipation. Just chasing around the man with the puck, getting rope-a-doped instead of finding the open man behind the net.
Piece of fucking dirt shit.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 7:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i think i’d rather mcgrattan and prust.
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What a horrible shift by the first line. Again. Culminating in the tying goal.
36 shots on goal now…with 15 minutes left in the 3rd. What a disaster.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What did Sjostrom do to deserve that suggestion?
by Resolute on Nov 4, 2009 7:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It was a line that appeared briefly, with Jokinen playing the wing.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was Dawes I believe. Bad bad risk taking the wide slap with no support.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 7:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
we will not recover from that goal. mail in the rest of the game. rest the guys who will do wll tomorrow.
jaybouw looks rough tonight.
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Y’think? I’m liking his game, very patient with incoming attackers.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i just saw him in front of the net on both goals. i realize now the second was not his fault. still not sure about the first.
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No idea what the Flames are doing on that play. They allowed Richards time and space with the puck, even though there was ample players around to get after him.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, multiple things there. Sarich might have had a chance to cut that off in the neutral zone, but he backed off a bit.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Looked like a 2 on 1 eh? Poor Bouwmeester, he had to play it like that.
On the replay, you see him react away from taking Ricahrds to taking the pass once he realized Eriksson was uncovered? Sublime intelligence on that play, even though it ended up in the nets.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mcguire taking a note from the kevin weekes book of announcing, stating that “you gotta go all the way.”
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Beyond anything I’m doing when Iggy watching, the team’s passing seems terrible tonight.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 7:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Aside from Curtis, I dont think there’s anything in the way of positives to take from tonight. They’ve been fundamentally outplayed in almost every facet.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. at this point, i would still give BackElhinney one of the three stars
by awildermode on Nov 4, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
does pierre mcguire even watch the flames ? like, ever ?
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What a fucking dangerous pass by Jokinen there.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 7:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Has McGrattan had even a single shift tonight?
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah one. 55 seconds. 1st period. zero stats.
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
now it’s classic old habits looking for a goal: dion tries the end to end, jokinen passes up the middle. brutal.
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Phaneuf needs to get off the ice. And stay off.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i’m starting to get super annoyed with the coaching staff.
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also i would really rather never watch olli jokinen play another game in the flaming C. can we leave him in dallas ference-styles ?
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i missed it —-what did mcguire just say ? he’s got the chatroom all riled up.
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
“The Flames are competing. The shot total might not flatter them, but Gord, they’re competing!”
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s real excited by the Flames “effort” tonight. I think they’ve been mostly terrible.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Phaneuf is losing battles and races all over the ice. He looks positively exhausted.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Langkow-Bourque-Iggy = goal. Why isn’t this every damned shift?
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 7:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was about to echo that sentiment.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
looks like sutter might FINALLY have it figured out.
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SERIOUSLY !!!! was jokinen on the ice ?!?!?
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Moss, according to the game sheet.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Charity point folks, charity point.
Phaneuf needs to learn he’s not Lidstrom nor Orr, he’s not going to drive results unless he learns that his goals won’t come at even strength.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 7:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We have something really rare here folks: a collection of good NHL forwards. It’s really disappointing that Jokinen is being given chances to do what so many others in the rsoter can do better. That 6-on-5 shift nonwithstanding, Jokinen has still been given plenty of opportunities in this game. Sad.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 7:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that’s a shitty way to win a hockey game. but i’ll take it. :)
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 7:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bourque vs. Richards, not sure if it was a hardmatch but it was frequently put out there on the 3rd and to start in OT.
And we got away with a phantom delay of game PP. But we deserve it, we got jobbed on so many interference non-calls it’s not even funny. So Crawford and McGuire can suck it.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 7:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
We owe the Hockey Gods big after this game.
Good for Curtis though. He, at least, deserved the win. Nice to see some vintage Iggy goals, even if he struggled elsewhere as well.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Iggy had a lovely shift near the end of the third, not sure against who though. But he started deep in his own zone (long after Jokinen had left) and then safely carried the puck through the neutral zone, deep in to Dallas territory. There was a scoraing chance in there, I think Nystrom on the ice? I don’t know if you remember this shift.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There was at least something to llke about Iginla’s game tonight. I mean, at least he got some chances and buried them.
Jokinen though…
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas fucked up.
You NEVER play the prevent defence. Ever. For any reason, in any sport, at any time.
by Resolute on Nov 4, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. That’s a totally undeserved win. Thank Curtis. Iggy had about 3 decent minutes, and ended up with 2g, 1a.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 7:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
did this earlier in hopes of a win from BackElhinney
by awildermode on Nov 4, 2009 7:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
did you get the effin’ book yet or WHAT ?!?! we got the cheque. thx !!!
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McGuire has gone from having a crush on Dion right over to nuthugging Bourque
by Calgarian in SJ on Nov 4, 2009 7:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Indeed. But Bourque probably deserves it.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve the credit … it’s the all-out love affair that makes little Pierre so hard to stomach
by Calgarian in SJ on Nov 4, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It really is. It’s worse when the player isn’t even playing that good though.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1st Win from 2nd Start, glad to see Curtis gets the W.
by Outz on Nov 4, 2009 8:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He deserved it, he truly did. I was watching him and wondering how he was making the saves he was making, so awkward that young Curtis. But Results Matter and he was the difference tonight. Damn.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That PS stop turned out to be a big deal.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scoring chances are up. Ugliest game of the year for Calgary by this measure. Wasn’t even close.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 8:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jokinen with an assist tonight. Starting the pump and dump countdown… now.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 8:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I dont know how he got a point on that last goal.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Iggy: 28 shifts 2 G, 1 A . 22:31 TOI, 18:16 EV. 9 attempted shots, 2 SOG. Corsi -10. He had a few decent shifts, but it still didn’t seem like it was all there…
Until he went out with 22 and 17. Then he seemed pretty good. You know, he’s played two shifts in two games with those two guys. The first was the good shift against Detroit at the end of the second on Saturday. The second was the end of the game tonight. Small sample size, but it just looks right. It could put Joker in a bad spot, but I’m pretty sure I’ve quit caring if he plays well.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 8:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea why this hasn’t happened yet. It just makes so much sense.
Iggy +3 and -9 in terms of scoring chances tonight. Yiiiiikkkes.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It could put Joker in a bad spot, but I’m pretty sure I’ve quit caring if he plays well.
Well said — not because it wouldn’t be nice, but because it no longer makes sense to wait for it.
I watched the whole game away from the computer tonight. I had an idea that Iginla was probably in the red when it came to shots and chances, but there was a lot to like. I truly didn’t know that he could, or would, still lay a hit like he did on Robidas in the 1st. And notwithstanding the preceding mistake, that 1st goal was vintage.
Jokinen, on the other hand, just does not make anything happen. My God, how often did the play die with him tonight. And he just never, ever, gets in the way of the puck when the other guys are trying to do something with it.
The comment I made on the Herald’s live chat today was something like, “The only thing Jokinen and Iginla have in common is that neither are playing as well as we’d like.” Jarome Iginla has, in his career, been the best skater in the league. He’s the best player in Flames history. One of the longest serving captains in the league. There has never been a time, in the career of either, when Jokinen was in the same quality tier as Iginla.
If Iginla turns into Roenick-with-the-Sharks by the end of 2010, it’ll be disappointing, but dude doesn’t owe Flames fans a thing. I hereby commit to never lumping 12 and 21 together in any discussion on any topic, and urge every other Flames fan to do the same. :)
by MattF on Nov 4, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Matt, what pisses me off most about the whole deal is that I still think he could have a nice dotage as a really useful player if the team just admitted that he can’t carry crap players by himself any more. That’s no sin at all. 22 and 17 would make his life a hell of a lot easier if he’s still going to see the other outfit’s best.
The only useful thing Olli Jokinen is doing is defending a nice salary slot for July 1, 2010.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said again. And fortunately, there are a number of levels between Iginla’s ~prime and Roenick/Recchi at the end.
So, time to extend Bourque, before he locks in a season with hella counting numbers, or is it a better idea to roll the dice and wait until June, expecting that he remains fairly effective but won’t put up the points?
by MattF on Nov 4, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Iginla-Lanks-Bourque makes seven kinds of sense. Admittedly all the difference makers are in one basket, but Glencross-Conroy-Moss is one fine second-tough-minutes line.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or substitute boyd if he’s okay with the minutes….
by walkinvisible on Nov 4, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, an extended audition by young Boyd centering Glencross and Moss would make me happy too (unless the team starts losing). That may be what the depth chart requires next year if Conroy retires.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If teams are mostly going PvP, there’s less of a worry about spreading things out. I’m a hell of a lot less concerned about how Calgary’s foot soldiers match up. Those guys will be OK. The team needs a first group that can be counted on to drive results. 22-17-12 is the best bet.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, you wonder where this team woud be with Tanguay. Non-sensical move by both parties. Especially Tanguay imo – the difference maker who doesn’t want to be a difference maker, I mean what is that?
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 8:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I do have a point here – swap Tanguay for Jokinen and this team is eight kinds of better.
About Tanguay, Kent: wasn’t his beef with Keenan regarding his role as a checker with Conroy and Nolan? That role made so much sense for him I think. And he did get primo time with Iginla when Keenan saw fit to go PVP. Either way, he was doing heavy lifting and helping the team win, surely he knew that.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Word was, Keenan beat him up behind closed doors. Tanguay was miserable here and not just because he was put in a checking role.
I agree with you though. That simply swap and the team is probably a lot better.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like physically beat him up? Or verbally?
Because if it was the latter… well Keenan is a douche for doing that. But Tanguay’s a big boy too.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Verbally.
Perhaps both parties deserve some blame for how it ended…but I’m going to blame Keenan.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Undeserved verbal abuse is still no way to run a railroad, R O. Employees of any sort know when one of their own is being targeted for the wrong reason. Even if you expect him to nut up a bit, Tanguay had a legit beef.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough. I suppose I just miss having a difference maker slot in at that salary level.
by R O on Nov 4, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You and me and a few other people around here, too. I’d still like to see if they can sneak him out of Tampa at the deadline if the ’Ning are missing the playoffs.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it sucks to go to work when the boss doesn’t like you. It doubly sucks when he’s putting you in a position to get lynched by others (that being the fans who didn’t bother to note Tanguay’s circumstances) and to potentially take a hit to your next contract because of all that.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is, he’d make Jokinen better, too. Smart, good passer, doesn’t need to score to feed his ego, knows his way around his own end. Joker still wouldn’t be that good, but he’d be better, mostly because he’d get some chances to score.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
tanguay
We could have had him in the off season if we wanted him and he wanted to come here. I doubt if he refused to sign here, that Das will be trading for him.
by CalTach on Nov 5, 2009 5:40 AM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
There isn’t any evidence he “refused” to sign here. As a fan, I obviously like it when a player takes a discount to help the Flames, but Tanguay would have had to sign for around a million dollars a year to play in Calgary. He’s a better player than that, and not settling for that sort of salary is not a mark against him. If Calgary had a salary slot within hailing distance of his value and he chose not to come, that would be a different story, but once Bouwmeester signed, it was going to be a tight fit just to get a roster together.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 5, 2009 5:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That said, he still may be had at the deadline.
Other, less heralded guys I’d like to see Sutter chase: Colby Armstrong and Alexei Ponikarovsky.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 5, 2009 7:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto on Armstrong, but if Don Waddell trades him, he’s even more nuts than I already suspect. Guys that can play hard minutes and be productive for less than top salaries should be hoarded like the valuable commodities that they are. Armstrong isn’t the absolute bargain he was last year, but he’s quality to be sure.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 5, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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