November 3 News and Notes
Where the hell did the time go? Golf season's done, the CFL is headed for the finish, and the Evil Empire needs one win for a World Series. The Flames have finished a month's worth of work as well, and they have a 7-4-1 record and a pissy coach to show for it. After the jump, yesterday's fun and games at the Dome, the neighbours are in a bit of a mess, and does anyone really give a rat's ass about Sean Avery anymore?
Flames:
After an indifferent finish to the Flames' homestand, the boss decided he'd seen quite enough, with a practice meant to shake a few people up. I'm skeptical when it comes to the long term effects, so the fact that the players said all the right things won't mean much until the results match the words.
The lines appear set for another adjustment, with Nystrom getting a chance to work with the reunited Jokinen-Iginla pairing. I'm on the record as "not a fan" of that duo, although the next two lines of Bourque-Langkow-Dawes and Glencross-Boyd-Moss are good by me. My hope for Boyd this year was that he superceded Conroy based on good play, and not because the Flames' elder statesman fell off a cliff. There's enough evidence of that to be reassured on that point at least.
Kipper 5 v 5: 3-14 vs. Colorado, 2-25 vs. Detroit. Season total - 21 GA, 256 SA, .918 5 v 5 SV%. Sort of a meh week for the Flames' netminder. An extra save or two would have been nice, but I can't really blame him for the team's results, because slack-ass work from the skaters drove the results into the ditch against the Avs and Wings.
Elsewhere:
We've got a meniscus thing, a back thing, a pubis thing, and some flu
That's the tagline over at The Copper and Blue. Sounds like maybe a shoulder thing, too. The Oilers got whipped by the Islanders last night, and the fact that a team like that could make the Oilers seem so inept has Pat Quinn comparing his squad to the Washington Generals. That's not really what you should be trying for, is it? I'll say this for the Oilogisphere, they do a hell of a job of spinning humour from pathos, and BDHS provides another example today. Sounds like the Oil could use Pat's big fella on the blue.
Craig Anderson has been named the NHL's first star. You don't say? There's been some squawking from the Front Range about how much better the 'Lanche are compared to last year, and I'll certainly admit that their goaltender is a quantum leap ahead of whoever they used last year, Sunday's night evidence notwithstanding. It's still a lot of wait and see for the rest of the squad.
It doesn't look like the Canucks are going to have to rely on Andrew Raycroft for much longer, since Roberto Luongo appears to be on the mend, and might play in the next week. The 'Nucks are beat up, but the general malaise affecting the other teams in the division other than Colorado has bought them some time.
The Flames have a brief road trip this week, with a stop in Dallas to get things going tomorrow night. Two of the Stars' elder statesmen are slated to return, as Modano and Lehtinen have recovered from their early season maladies. These are the lines from today's practice:
James Neal-Brad Richards-Loui Eriksson
Brenden Morrow-Mike Ribeiro-Jere Lehtinen
Steve Ott-Mike Modano-Jamie Benn
Brian Sutherby-Tom Wandell-Fabian Brunnstrom
That's not a terrible group by any means.
In St. Louis, last season's surprise package has fallen on tough scoring times, with the Blues ranking 25th in Goals per game. Their 5 v 5 for/against numbers aren't much different from last year, but that squad rode a nice PP to cover any EV deficiencies. This year's crew has the 27th best PP so far. As so often is the case, a team might not want to admit that luck is at the heart of a good or bad stretch, so the public pronouncements are about effort. Sound familiar?
In T.O., the Leafs lost 2-1 in overtime tonight, with Phil Kessel making his long awaited debut. No points and -1, but he did have 10 shots in 23:50 of ice time. Olli Jokinen has 22 shots in 12 games. Hmm. If the Leafs keep out-shooting teams, they get some wins soon enough, but in the interim, Ron Wilson hasn't been sitting still:
Continue with brilliant scheme of winning one game in October, two in November, four in December and so on. By the time foolish opposition realizes our plan, we'll have clinched a playoff spot thanks to 64-win April.
That's all part of the master plan, people. Seems foolproof.
Up the road in Ottawa, Eugene Melnyk has let his anger at a former employee spill over, as he chases Dany Heatley for 4 million fish. I'm not too sure he's got that good a case. Could be that he's just P.O.ed that the Sens got stuck with Cheechoo instead of Penner and Smid, and that's understandable.
"Take some nachos, take some Coke, and enjoy the game. Hope the guys are going to win", he said. "I don't want to stay at home and watch the game at home. I want to travel and I want to be a part of the team, too."
That's Alex Ovechkin's take regarding his rehab plan as he mends from some sort of upper body injury over the next couple of weeks. The Caps should manage, and I can't exactly imagine Sidney Crosby dropping that first line. It's a team game, and lord knows the NHL isn't exactly a perfect marketing machine when it comes to pushing stars, but it seems to me that Number 8 handles the off-ice stuff pretty well for an ESL guy, no?. That said, I'm old enough to remember an era where "take some Coke" would have won Ovechkin a spot on the Don Murdoch All-Stars.
In less humourous circumstances, the Hurricanes have dropped off the face of the earth. As we know around these parts, they have a few folks on the trading block, and Cory Lavalette figures Chairman Mo is the culprit, but suspects that players, including alleged Flame target Ray Whitney, will be moved first. They've been poor for any number of reasons, but this wouldn't be the first time Paul Maurice's approach has worn thin. Eric Staal hasn't been worth a darn, either, and when you're main guy isn't going, the team will suffer. Hey, I know that tune.
Their SE division mates the Lightning have a struggling star of their own, as Vinny Lecavalier scored only his second goal of the year tonight in Tampa's 2-1 win in Toronto. Rick Tocchet hasn't been shy in voicing his displeasure with the Captain, busting him down to third line duties in an effort to rouse the slumping center. I don't know. A lot of times, guys who haven't been lucky in terms of SH% get raked for their play. With Vinny's goal tonight, he's at 3.8%, with a PDO of 95.1, but he's been averaging 4 shots a game, which is right in line with his past half-dozen years or so. The guy has never shot less than 10% in any year of his NHL career. When he gets back toward that sort of number, will everyone call Tocchet a genius, or acknowledge that guys go into slumps, and that players who are still getting shots will eventually have the numbers turn in their favour? That's not really a skill testing question, but I doubt that SH% will come up in the popular coverage. Just a cynical hunch.
Finally, I don't give two shits whether Sean Avery publicly apologizes for his statements last year in Calgary. This desire to force sports figures into some sort of garment rending nonsense whenever they say something out of convention is completely useless moral scolding. It's fairly clear the guy was butthurt over a breakup, and said something stupid. Beyond what he might have owed his teammates in Dallas, I hope he apologized to Phaneuf and Elisha Cuthbert, and if he had a bit of sense, had a few quiet words with Jarret Stoll and Rachel Hunter as well. But whatever he did, doing in private is just fine, and I don't need the dirty details, a pound of flesh, or some silly stage-managed plea for forgiveness. On a hockey related note, during the Toronto-Dallas game last week, Pierre McGuire blamed Avery for Marty Turco's terrible year in 08/09. Turco had a .898 SV% in 05/06 as well. Was that Avery's fault, too? Or was last year just more noticeable because Dallas was 20th in GF, instead of 11th?
That's my week. Anything else of note is always appreciated in comments.
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Ah Ovechkin. I almost always enjoy his comments to the media. Crosby is probably better at playing hockey imo, but entertainment is the end goal.
It doesn’t look like the Canucks are going to have to rely on Andrew Raycroft for much longer, since Roberto Luongo appears to be on the mend, and might play in the next week.
But why would they want to go back to Luongo? I mean, I know he is the captain, the franchise and their highest paid player, but he is sporting a .902% and Raycroft is currently second in the league with a 1.52 .937%. This is less a hit on Luongo than a “I’m not surprised” for Raycroft. The Canucks have some good structure defensively and I figured he would be the ‘Conklin-story’ of this year. We’ll see how long it lasts. However, when Luo gets back he’ll be doing mop-up and will likely play ….what 6-8 more games? So he’ll really have to shit the bed to not have an outstanding numbers year at this point.
To add to this, and perhaps a really unfair jab at Curtis, but this is what’s supposed to happen with backup goalies. We Flames fans thought “Luongo injured….Raycroft as backup…HAHAHA, this should be awesome!” Well, no. Raycroft has stepped up. Curtis, when you play on Thursday (or tonight) please….follow Andy’s example. Remember, he sucks, and he is doing it.
I wouldn’t say this is what’s ‘supposed’ to happen with backup goalies. IMO, I think backup goalie play 10~15 games and win 9 of them would already be a great backup goalie. The last game when Curtis played, he doesn’t seems out of place or lost, but when you sit 70 games a year, its not easy. Raycroft is a backup to Luo, but he also played 70+ games for the leafs just 3 years ago, and like 30ish last year, so its kinda hard to have Curtis ‘doing it’.
Fair enough, however, historically speaking of the backup role, it’s expected or desired that the number 2 guy be ready and able to give such a performance that a win is not undermined. And you’re descriding win percent range of .900%-.600%, not .060% In other words, the backup has to hold up his end of the bargain. Now, fair or not, McL has not being doing that when looking at a simple sv% analysis (which can be skewed). Watching the games, seeing the untimeliness of GA etc only furthers that objective measure with the subjective. He hasn’t had the best circumstances for success, but he hasn’t helped matters himself either.
For the last four years, Andrew Raycroft has been a name synonymous with goaltender suckage. Perhaps regarded at the worst goalie in the entire NHL (in competition with Toskala). He is forced into action after an injury to Luongo, in a big market (Vancouver) with very spoiled goalie expectations and he hasn’t missed a step. That’s not exactly ‘best circumstances’ either.
If you were a betting man, and knew Curtis was getting the start….do you bet on the Flames or against them? That’s not the situation you want for success when you’ve signed a number 2 guy.
To be fair, the Flames haven’t given Curtis very much goal or shot prevention support, as Kent outlined in the win threshold post a couple weeks ago. Then again, Curtis hasn’t delivered a SV% anywhere near the win threshold anyway. Really both parties are bags of suck.
I’m still not convinced that his performance over the last season and ten games is indicative of his ability to stop pucks. We’ll see in the next two seasons I guess.
My reply button isn’t working Lawrence, but I’m using straight 5 V 5, and not EV. I’m not including 4 V 4, beacuse unless I’m missing something, that’s how Gabe Desjardins collects information on skaters, and I wanted consistency in my assessments. It’s just a number I wanted to track, and I have no problem if others may choose a different way to look at things.
Looks like will get to see Jokinen with Iginla tonight according to yesterday’s practice line (Could Change)
Nystrom-Jokinen-Iginla
Bourque-Langkow-Dawes
Glencross-Boyd-Moss
Sjostrom-Conroy-Prust
McGrattan
Where the Lead is never safe, Ahead or Behind.
You’re a benevolent man, Kent. If those two continue the sort of play we’ve seen to this point, they might need the internet version of a doghouse to be placed in.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 4, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
You know what frustrates me? The stubbornness to stick with the Langkow line vs the ease at dismantling the Prustrom line.
To me, Dawes could float (I think he is benefitting from Lanks and Bourque more than vice-versa, and the +/- of the line ain’t great. but fair enough…keep it)
So your confident in Dawes-Lanks-Bourque and we know Sjo-Prust-Nys beat the hell outta the opp. So keep it too! Then you’ve got six guys, three centres…make something new happen!
Like these:
Jokinen-Conroy-Moss
Jokinen-Boyd-Iginla
Boyd-Conroy-Iggy
Boyd-Jokinen-Moss
GlenX-Jokinen-Moss
I don’t see why Sutter doesn’t stick with two lines that are working and then figure out something else by process of elimination. At least you can find out who really doesn’t work with anyone and then start shopping them. Problem is, one of those guys is Iggy…and he’s un-trade-able. Jokinen IS our best faceoff guy (by the numbers @ 51%) so, he and Boyd on one line may be a bit much….but it could be great for when one guy gets thrown out of the circle.
Also, right now…Joker is much better than the rest in the circle on the road (probably) because of size/strength, so keeping him at centre for the next stretch makes sense. The thing is…if you split Iggy and Joker, then, someone making 5mil.+ is getting the third line treatment no matter what.
That’s going to be the unfortunate reality with Jokinen at least I think. There’s a reason he was playing on PHX’s third line when we acquired him. And he looks to have taken a step backward somehow this year.
It’s either try to force something to work in order to garner some value out of the 5 large you’re paying the guy or swallow you pride and shelter him as much as possible.
I think Sutter is still feeling things out which isn’t good because if you don’t know what team you’ll have come November you have a problem but all in all the ‘’Best two forwards on the Team’’ are the only two that really haven’t found their stride in Sutter’s new system.
But I guess you rather them learn from each others mistakes and in my mind these are what the lines should be.
Bourque-Boyd-Iginla
Jokinen-Langkow-Moss
GlenX-Conroy-Dawes
Sjostrom-Prust-Nystrom
Both Bourque and Boyd have been marvelous and what’s better then Boyd working with some of the two best scorers on the team.
Where the Lead is never safe, Ahead or Behind.

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