Flames jump the queue for flu vaccine
Apparently the Flames brass decided to jump the line to get vaccines for several Flames players and family members. I can see why they would do it - millions are on the line when dealing with the health of players - but given the shortage in Canada, couldn't they just have bought these vaccines from private clinics in the US instead?
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May they all die horribly of some disease!
by Kent Wilson on Nov 3, 2009 1:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There is a massive shortage of the vaccine down here and buying some from a private clinic may not be that easy.
by maimster on Nov 3, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Huh. In that case I question the move even more. The rationale is obvious (risk mgmt) but there is undoubtedly a negative PR aspect involved. And maybe questions of legality? I dunno, I’m no expert but the whole thing looks a touch shady and perception becomes reality pdq.
And of course from a moral standpoint they’re just flat out wrong imo. But business be business.
by R O on Nov 3, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I find the people getting mad at players are missing the point. Players are told by their boss/trainer/coach to go get the shot… so they do it. It’s not like the players slipped the doctors a few hundred bucks (or a couple of autographs) to get ahead of the queue, hoping that people other than them get sick from H1N1.
However, it’s definitely not cool that someone in management tried to bypass the provincial regulations to get the team in there. I realize the reasons and motivation in it, but unless your player has a pre-existing condition, the player missing 3 games isn’t nearly as bad as a 17 year old with chronic bronchitis dying.
Silver Seven: the Daniel Alfredsson of Ottawa Senators blogs.
by DarrenM on Nov 3, 2009 2:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
In no way do the Flames brass have the power to “decide” such a thing.
And jumping on a chance to avoid standing in line for several hours for anything is hardly a dereliction of civic duty, let alone immoral.
by MattF on Nov 3, 2009 3:23 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
The vaccine is in shortage right now which is the lens I view this through.
by R O on Nov 3, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Has there ever been a hockey related story that simply begged to be written in Marxist language?
You have a government trying to deflect attention away from their own incompetence, a privileged class hoarding a scarce resource from those who need it more, and a populist outrage building over the destruction of the myth of a classless health care system.
I wish I was a pinko writing for a university newspaper. This would be the best cover story ever. Just think of all the socio-political language you could use. I can’t believe I get excited over stuff like this.
by mclea on Nov 3, 2009 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Whereas I simply dread having to hear about via the MSM for the next week or so.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 3, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is quite an Orwellian quandary the Flames have stumbled into here. “All Hockey Players are Equal… But some Hockey Players are more Equal than others.”
Seriously, if anyone who follows or writes for this blog is critical of this move due to the political unfairness of it, my head will explode:
1. We all obviously support the Flames, so why don’t we all hope they can stay healthy? The sad thing is that pretty much everyone here will probably be more pissed off about an 8 game losing streak for a flu-ravaged team than if somebody dies from H1N1. This is a hockey blog. We all love the Flames. I personally enjoy Flames news more than reading the obituary.
-We are Calgary fans. Calgary=strongly against socialized health care. Pour yourself a glass of Merlot, and go cheer for the Maple Leafs at an art gallery while you discuss Freud with the transvestite sitting next to you if you are going to bitch about the political implications of this.
by Dustin Timberlake on Nov 3, 2009 4:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
You know what…I am a Flames fan. The Calgary Flames yes, but my allegiance is to the team and has nothing to do with the city itself. We are Flames fans, not “We are Calgary fans” (not that I have anything against the city of Calgary other than it’s endless urban sprawl.)
However, one of the reasons I read and participate in this blog, is because of the intelligence, good spirit and quality of what I read and the discussion I participate in. Kent manages to attract and keep a high level relative to the blog. This piece does not fit any of those qualities and the author of such material should be embarrassed:
We are Calgary fans. Calgary=strongly against socialized health care. Pour yourself a glass of Merlot, and go cheer for the Maple Leafs at an art gallery while you discuss Freud with the transvestite sitting next to you if you are going to bitch about the political implications of this.
Please, spare us your opinions on these matters, and stick to hockey, if this is how you express yourself.
by LawrenceS on Nov 4, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it makes sense that management would want to get the players vaccinated and keep them healthy, enabling them to put the best product possible on the ice for fans, but opting to vaccinate those who are not in high risk priority groups identified by Alberta Health over those who are when there is a shortage in the vaccine clearly presents a moral dilemma. It is entirely possible that players’ family members, whom I understand also received the vaccine, were in the high-risk groups (pregnant women, children under five, etc.).
From what I understand from the TSN article, Ken King contacted Alberta Health Services and made these arrangements before it was announced that there was a shortage and Alberta Health would only be vaccinating the high-risk groups. The Flames organization is really not a fault here, they saw an opportunity to protect their players and their families and took advantage of it, smart move on their part. The whole situation is really just another black eye for Alberta Health, IMO. I’m angrier that Brian Mason has tried to drag the Flames organization into a political debate, claiming that they’re in cahoots with the Conservatives.
by Hayley on Nov 3, 2009 4:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
precisely. the only thing at fault here is the alberta government for A) not identifying high risk people and reserving the vaccine for them only (when the flames got vaccinated, anyone with an alberta health card could get the shot) and B) for giving the flames a ‘private’ session. why WOULDN’T the flames request that ?!?! why should they get in trouble for the government saying YES ??
by walkinvisible on Nov 3, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Mason is a tool, and the leader of what is now basically the fourth party, and a near complete non-entity outside of Edmonton. He’s going to desperately grasp at any straw he can find. Getting mad at him is about as useful as raging against the fact that you are getting older every day.
by Resolute on Nov 4, 2009 6:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap I didn’t realize this would realize in political discussions. Generally I try to stay away from that, I mean hockey is infinitely simpler than politics and it’s still difficult, at times impossible, to rationally discuss.
So I won’t talk about what Alberta Health Services is doing right or wrong, that’ll stir up a shitstorm and it’s not worth it. Suffice to say, there are issues with the vaccine distribution, that much is obvious on the face of it.
On the subject of the Flames and this vaccine: am I in the minority in opinion here that the Flames org made the wrong (morally) decision? At the very least I would think it impossible not to acknowledge that there are people who are unvaccinated now who need it more than the Flames (from a safety-of-life perspective). Although Hayley brings up a good point that many of the Flames have kids in the identified risk groups.
by R O on Nov 3, 2009 5:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks! I agree that there were and are people who need the vaccine more than the Flames’ players, yes, but as WI said, the vaccine was fair game at the time the players received it; I got it last Wednesday. I hope that Alberta Health is on the right track now and that everyone who qualifies as high-risk receives the vaccine as soon as possible, but I find it hard to believe that other professional sports organizations in Canada and elsewhere haven’t had their players privately vaccinated. I don’t think the Flames org. should be vilified for taking preventative measures and having their players’ best interests at heart.
At the very least this could partially explain why they played so terribly on Saturday night, it took me three days to feel normal again after I got the vaccine.
by Hayley on Nov 3, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
an interesting theory re: their “lack of energy” on saturday….
by walkinvisible on Nov 3, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
again, to re-itterate: the alberta government’s edumacation on the subject of those most high-risk and in need of the vaccine was poor, and offered the vaccine carte-blanche to the public straight through until saturday when they abruptly closed all clinics without warning.
if the flames got vaccinated friday, they would only have been guilty of having a private “session.” all players and their families would have been welcome to the vaccine if they got up bright and early.
by walkinvisible on Nov 3, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is absolutely ridiculous
When you get down to it, the Flames orgnaization took steps to protect an investment that costs $50 million and nets $100 million in revenue annually. Do I fault them for this? HELL NO. They had access and they had ability. Good for them for protecting themselves.
It is also worth noting that two of the last three teams they have played have players who were confirmed to have H1N1. They are clearly exposed, clearly at a higher risk, and clearly, being an athlete wont help you avoid it. If we are going to be looking for blame, look 275KM north of here. Look at the Oilers for exposing everyone else in the NHL by allowing Smid to play despite his illness, and look at the Stelmach Tories for their grossly incompetent handling of this entire mess.
Maybe the Flames should be running the provincial clinics. They are clearly doing better than Stumblin’ Ed is.
by Resolute on Nov 4, 2009 6:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
More to the point, they ordered the vaccine at a time when the government was telling EVERYBODY to get it, and ran their own clinic, thus reducing the strain on the others.
Funny how nobody is whining about all of the low risk people who created those massive lineups and “took the shot away from pregnant women”. I would be willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of people outraged over the Flames doing this are low risk people who stood in line for hours. And every single one of them is a hypocrite.
by Resolute on Nov 4, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I’m going to shut this puppy down. No real good can come from the discussion.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 4, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs





















