Flames @ Red Wings Gamethread
by Kent Wilson on Nov 27, 2009 3:35 PM PST
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Mark your calenders - the Detroit Red Wings are currently outside the play-off picture. Will it last? I don't know, but it's been a long time since that club last had to look up at the post-season cut-off point. The problems infecting Detroit are numerous and, for once, they look rather vulnerable.
"Glimpses of grandeur now faced with defeat...
I've waited so long...I've waited so long..."
Stuff to watch for:
- Chris Osgood is dreadful again this season. I'm a subscriber of Detroit's "skrimp on goalies, invest in the skaters" strategy, but the key to following that path is to have at least average puck stopping. An excellent team can overcome terrible netminding for only so long.
- Despite their struggles, the Red Wings still have some players that are scary as hell. Zetterberg and Datsyuk are amongst the best two-way forwards in the league while Lidstrom can still get it done. As such, having Jamie Lundmark play with Iginla and Jokinen on the road against any one of these guys makes me nervous.
- Calgary has begun to eat into the ugly shot differential they were sporting at the end of Ocotober. They're still underwater (-3 and change), but that's pretty sizable improvement nonetheless.
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Since they're talking about Curtis on SNET:
Curtis Glencross:
+10 (plus/minus) leads team
+ a lot (scoring chances) leads team
+8.61/60 (corsi) second amongst forwards
Thank you, Kevin Lowe. Thank you.
I’m glad it broke the way it did, but I always wonder what really went down there. There were those rumours that he wanted north of 5 million over 3 years, and if that’s even close to the truth, I understand why the Oilers didn’t jump at it. Good for Calgary, at any rate.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
So I guess the puck in the face wasn’t the problem for Sarich, if Loubardias is correct. Lower body.
That makes more sense, because guys can wear a shield for most injuries short of a busted jaw.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not drinking to that level, even in service of the blog. I have limits.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
that’s hilarious…. so. uh. corey perry can literally knock over and land on kipper and it’s a-ok, but one inch of cleary’s skateblade is in the blue paint and that’s no goal ? shades of glenX. ridiculous.
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
I’d say more than an inch of Cleary’s skate was in the crease on that one. Similar issue as Glencross last year, but a little more egregious. That Perry call was bunk though.
And look, here’s a makeup call on Langkow!
maybe >inch, but seriously ? that’s a goal in 2300 of the 2378 nhl games per year.
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
(or is there 2460. i’m not good at maths)
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
Or 1200 of the 1230. But I know what you’re getting at.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
When he’s standing right in the crease like that, it shouldn’t be a goal in any of them.
That said, given how many times Kipper has been blatantly run over, that is a really odd play to get the make-up on.
I figured, since she loves Pocketdogs so much. I could make a joke about the phallic shape of hot dogs at this point, but I think I’ll restrain myself.
And yet, somehow you got a mention in any way. Quality work, sir.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
fyi: they are technically called pocketDAWgs, which is why “pocketdawes” is so genius…. (also cause he’s little).
:)
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
kent clearly no longer reads my blog…. ;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions
C’mpn, Kent. He’s worthy of the Hall of Fame and the Olympics, don’t you know?
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
That would be “C’mon, Kent” if I had a friggin’ clue.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know why he would think that would work. Didn’t Mike Keenan show everyone that coddling the big guy was the way to get the most out of him?
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
You have a two goal lead and the puck deep in your end. Attempting the stretch pass from behind your goal line doesn’t make a lick of sense.
No. Boyd and the other forwards bailed Johnson out by getting the draw out of the zone.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
After a decent start, the ice is tilted hard towards the Flames end. At some point, Calgary’s gotta push back some.
Umm…that’s not a penalty. It specifically stipulates in the rule book that the follow-through on a shot isn’t a high stick.
The officials tonight are totally incompetent. Again.
You should be more like Avalanche fans, Kent:
“Woohoo, we’re great. Whaddya mean getting out-shot by a million is bad?”
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
It usually does require losing for most people to get to that point, true.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, 32-11….this is not good, thus far. I would be a little more sympathetic of the wings, if the calls that are obvious penalties on Detroit (ie interfernce on Regehr and the holding the sticks were called) …but no. So, I’m not.
However, we need a 10-5 shots for the Flames kinda period now, cause this is just silly.
I really could drag out the annoying aspect of saying “see answer 1” again, but I’m actually not confident tonight the Flames have an “up” in them.
That McGill interview was funny. “We should have plenty of energy for the offensive zone, because we spent that whole period in our own zone.”
haha.
One thing that strikes me when we play DET or CHI is how apparently slow the Flames are. That might be just an artifact of chasing the pusk around all night though.
(i just spent 45 minutes in traffic driving what would normally take 10….fyi)
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
Grey Cup traffic, wi? Lots of demented green folks?
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
nope. just snow. you know how it is… people forget.
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed. We haven’t had any snow yet this year, and it’ll be a cluster when it comes.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
so yeah, as per the above: i came up with pocketdawes last week but because they’re technically “pocketdawgs” and because #15’s so little, it seemed kindof perfect.
i told one of my buddies that it was the best nickname of all time. he suggested king tut was better.
;)
Gio’s had a relatively good game, considering he’s seen a lot of Datsyuk. I mean the team had 2 terrible periods, so it’s all in context.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
“4 very important” pretty much covers it all, shep.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
Well, nice to escape with that win. Kipper played well and was lucky to boot. So were the Flames at the other end.
Kipper was good, and Detroit just can’t buy one right now. Boo-friggin-hoo.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
well. let’s call a spade a spade… probably shouldn’t have been considered a shutout…. just sayin’.
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
cleary had both skates in the blue
notice that holmström is an expert on this, always tries to keep his feet right outside the blue
well, i would like the nhl to call those all the time then. cause i’d say 85% of the time that’s a goal in this league….
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
he actually DIDN’T get that goal. it was called back.
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
That’s what I mean… he got his “bad-call” then, we got ours now. This was much more obvious to me anyway, there was contact and he had both feet in the crease. If the goalie is allowed to use ‘his crease’ to move about to save a shot, then Kipper couldn’t use all of it there.
With Glenny, he wasn’t even close as I remember.
i hear what you’re saying. and i’m pretty sure you can hear me when i say that that’s generally considered a goal —whether it should be or not. i’m suggesting that i’d LOVE it if the league got those ones right more often than not.
and technically tonight they got it right.
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
why’s that? last time I looked 0 goals against is a shutout. If you’re talking the disallowed goals…those are the right calls, that’s why the rules are there.
of course it’s debateable, and so are the other 4-5 times he was run without Det being penalized. The best part is, noone will remember in ten days because they’ll only read sv% and shutouts and they’ll both be recorded.
i’ll remember. the same way i remembered a similar goal getting called back on glenX last year…. and guess what ? YOU REMEMBER TOO !!!!
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
go to bed, shep. you gotta get up in 4 hours.
;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, you were in traffic. Yes, right under the crossbar on a rocket.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
so… that’s a positive !!! his first real goal of the year !!! :)
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
The goal against the Hawks in Calgary was legit, but I could understand if the rest of that game might have faded that memory.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
i was actually unable to watch that game. thank christ…. ;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
that was a fluke goal. shouldn’t have gone in. bounced weird.
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
You guys are talking about two different goals. Lawrence is referring to the one I mentioned, and you’re talking about the fluke in Chicago against Niemi.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
nah, you;re thinking the other Chicago goal….against Niemi…. this was the high hard shot against Huet,
ah. yes. two different ones. both against chicago, perhaps….. hence the confusion… ?
we’re still friends, right ?
:)
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Flames -26, so only -6 in that period. Sheesh.
EV shots DET 29-16, 8-6 DET in the third.
That third goal slowed the wave.
Lower body, according to Loubardias tonight, and Kent said that was reported on the radio this aft. as well.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
is he on the roadtrip ? or at home ?
i see johnson wasn’t too well-liked tonight by herr sutter 9:20 is not top 6 minutes.
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
….and i see gio got more mins than dion. interesting.
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
(nevermind. i forgot about all the PK time)
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
He still had 1 extra minute. 21:03 to 20:01.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, but it’s not that interesting with 12 mins of PK time. i can’t get the event summary to open so i can only presume gio took alot of shifts on the PK
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
2:21 for Gio, 3:16 for Dion. Dion actually had 20:39 overall TOI, Gio 21:04
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
this is pretty much exactly opposite to what i would have expected. meh.
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
He’s at home. No other word.
Aaron Johnson is a seventh defenceman, the end.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
funny, cause anton strålman sure looks like a top 4 blueliner for about the same price.
;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
He might be better than your average 7th D-man ;-) I don’t think he’d be in the top 2 pairs on the Flames, but he’d be useful.
That move wasn’t worth the 200K they saved.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
yes. i’m not suggesting he’d be a top 4 HERE but he’d sure look nice there next to pardy. ;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
For the first time this year I will overlook the stats. The Flames played very smart getting the puck out when it mattered and got good goals early.
As a diehard fan this what I look for night in and night………………. well maybe not the getting outshot but still beautiful game by the Flames.
30 years of the NHL's Best Hockey, It got us through some tough times.
Night, Lawrence. CBus tomorrow, indeed.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 27, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Not a great game, but a good 3rd and hard to overcome that many penalties. And Kipper looks like a completely different guy than last year, much more nimble on his feet and less panic. I like it. I’ll like it better if they run Columbus (or Nashville, if you prefer, lawrence) out of the rink tomorrow.
i really do wonder if it was keenan. or marcoux. or if noodles is just truly the best effin’ goaltending coach in the universe. or what.
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
Kipper just gave everyone who doubted him a giant middle finger tonight.
“I dare you to name someone else the starter, Kurri. I dare you.”
career ending injury enroute to a finland gold, perhaps ? sweeeet…..
by walkinvisible on Nov 27, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
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