Flames Versus Coyotes Gamethread
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 6:06 PM PST
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Phoenix Coyotes at Calgary Flames, Nov 25, 2009 6:30 PM PST
Phoenix and the Flames have had a fruitful trading relationship over the years. Langkow, Lombardi, Gauthier, Saprykin, Lundmark, Leclerc, Prust and Vandermeer are a few of the guys that have moved from one to other the last few seasons. Throw in recent defectees Dawes and Aucoin and you have the odd sensation of familial in-fighting when the two clubs face each other.
Stuff to watch for -
- Coyotes have a lot of interesting youngsters, but most people don't know about Martin Hanzal - mainly because he plays some of the most thankless minutes on the squad. He frequently sees some of the toughest competition and starts a bunch in his own zone. Tough gig for a 22 year old. He may or may not return from injury tonight.
- As Robert mentioned, Tippett has the Desert Dogs playing respectable hockey. However, the combination of air tight defensive system and rather lackluster roster has them 27th in the league in terms of ES scoring (32).
- Ilya Bryzgalov continues to give the Coyotes quality goaltending (currently 13th in the league with a 918 SV%). He was a waiver wire pick-up from the Ducks back when Burke decided that signing three quality goaltenders somehow made sense.
- The Langkow line has understandably gone a bit silent in the absence of Bourque. Commenter Lawrence would like to see them pick up a bit in the hopes an effective Bourque-less trio would convince Sutter to put Rene on the Jokinen/Iginla line when he returns. Not a bad thought.
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What is Phaneuf thinking on that play?
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 6:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
um. i recall him taking a puck in the face against anaheim…. i would presume the swelling might have prevented him from wearing a helmet.
by walkinvisible on Nov 25, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what is worse, our poor play or their late, high hits.
by Resolute on Nov 25, 2009 6:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Umm…Phaneuf looks like he’s hung-over or hurt.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 6:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Phaneaf is looking really sloppy so far.
by Parallex on Nov 25, 2009 6:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well…good shifts by the 3rd and 4th lines there. I guess.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 6:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Uh…according to Steinberg at fan960, Sarich is a healthy scratch (??)
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 6:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That’s a suprising level of displeasure. He’s struggled, but I don’t see how Aaron Johnson helps much.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bah. That would suck. I think we’re all on the trade Phaneuf train, myself included.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the return.
Still, it’s probably something else (displeasure, hurt, etc.).
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True. I don’t think they can get enough to help up front with a move for just Sarich. I still think they’ll just try to add a middling piece in March.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
puck in the face v. anaheim…. i’d bet on it.
by walkinvisible on Nov 25, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That poor linesman was working hard!
by Resolute on Nov 25, 2009 6:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I think it had more to do with dropping his stick.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha…and Regehr just did the same thing against Doan.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oooh Eric Furlatt!
I don’t buy into these conspiracy theories but this guy has serious problems.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 7:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Is he the Glencross goalie interference idiot?
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since the league now owns the Coyotes, they got their refs to help out now. Pretty one-sided officiating so far.
by Resolute on Nov 25, 2009 7:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
nice simple play by boyd to get that out of the zone…
by d_p_h on Nov 25, 2009 7:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, can’t see the end of this period fast enough. Flames are sleepwalking through it.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it’s a little weird hearing lombardi, vandermeer and aucoin and having them all be on the other team.
by Jeshko on Nov 25, 2009 7:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lucky to ‘walk’ out of this period not down by a goal… or two.
by Outz on Nov 25, 2009 7:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thoroughly lacklsuter effort by the club there. Chances were 4-3, but if we were grading them, the Coyotes had way more “grade A” opportunities.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A split between Hanzal and Lombardi against Iggy by my eye that period. And Doan/Lang favored against Glencross, and Boyd by extension.
Did we even register a chance?
That early chance off the opening faceoff was just a disaster all around. Phaneuf is screwed either way without support. But he still makes the wrong choice, damn.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 7:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think Tippett was going Doan/Hanzal at Iginla/Jokinen, but Sutter got away from it by playing Iginla with various lines.
Flames got 3 chances, but none of them were all that good. Iginla’s near the net was probably the only “real” one. The other two were at the edge of the scoring area.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s with Vancouver facing a bunch of teams on their second-night-in-B2B’s this month?
I don’t get the bitching to the west, they had a pretty reasonable schedule in terms of miles and B2Bs last season compared to CGY and SJS, and IIRC even more so this season.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 7:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They also complain when it snows half an inch.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They complain about everything, and they are not very good fans. I speak with some authority, as I live there :P
(Although, to be fair, complaining about the current rain is totally justified!)
by SarahM on Nov 25, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On Sarich – maybe that puck he took in the face last game has something to do with it?
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yes !!!!! this is what i’m talkin’ about !!! ;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 25, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly a better start this time around.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow…Phaneuf almost got caught there.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure it will take a full decapitation before these zebras call any kind of penalty on the Coyotes…
by Resolute on Nov 25, 2009 7:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Or a guy jumping on Kipper…..no wait, that doesn’t get a penalty either.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right on cue, guys. And that’s the least of the things that have gone on.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha, spoke too soon.
And that’s just Dawes stepping on the dudes stick.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good to see the PP is still a steaming pile.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Smart, smart play by Boyd to get the puck into the zone and a face-off.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jamie Lundmark, you are an AHLer to the core. Where was he going?
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 7:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
GlenX was terrific on that shift, and not just on the pass.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 7:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
True, great job keepin’ it in the Coyotes zone.
by Outz on Nov 25, 2009 7:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bouwmeester had a horrid giveaway on that panic shift, too slow on the clear. Moss did the same thing a few shifts before but got away with it.
I think we’re starting to see some separation in the matchups now. Hanzal vs. Iggy, Doan vs. Glencross.
Conroy can’t buy one, but that’s a great cycle shift by Glencross and friends. DOn’t know who was on the ice for PHX though.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 7:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought Hanzal and Doan were playing together in the first period?
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barely. TimeOnIce shows 0.1 seconds which is basically a hybrid change.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense. The Flames were changing too.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Btw, I don’t know Doan very well but the Oilogosphere crowd doesn’t like him very much. One-dimensional forward or some such.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I always get a little wary judging guys that haven’t had fuck all for help in a half a dozen years. I think his coaches have told him to hunt for offence without regard to to some other aspects of the game because they have nothing else. That might effect the way you approach things over time. JMO.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Jokinen, eh? ;-)
I get your point though. It’s harder for some people to get the message in those circumstances. But some players do, and they are rare and special.
Iginla is one of those I think.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorta, but Joker got weak comp handed to him on a spoon for years. Doan has never played anything worse than decent comp, certainly not since they unloaded Tkachuk to St. Louis years ago. I think Doan was following orders as much as anythiing else.
And Jarome Iginla is in a different class. Doan’s a good player, but he’s not a lock HOF candidate, and it isn’t like Iggy hasn’t had his lapses the last couple of years. I think the Oilogisphere is still butt-hurt they fucked up by drafting Steve Kelly or Bonsignore or whoever they picked that year.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh. I’ve always had the feeling that Doan was a top notch player doing it all by himself down there.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with this statement, based on how MONEY doan is in international play, when he’s lined up with guys like nash… he’s totally clutch, IMO. still a candidate for canadian team captain….
by walkinvisible on Nov 25, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This period has been an absolute slaughter in favor of Calgary. Good stuff.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Chances 8-0 in that period. makes me wonder if I missed a Coyotes chance somewhere.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What about that panic shift where Bouwmeester gave away the puck? Although it’s hard to see from the cam angle, too much action was on the right wing.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, there was a couple of bad shifts, but Im not sure a real shot got through on any of them.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bouwmeester and Gio are still underwater by Corsi, but I’m not sure I’ve seen Bouwmeester start in the OFF zone this period.
That’s the nice thing about paying your players, I guess – once they make their money you don’t have any reason not to give them the shit to shovel.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Flames are +8, so +17 in the period.
EV shots 17-14 CGY, 11-4 in the period.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Any talk of Milan Lucic challenging for a spot on Team Canada is ridiculous in my opinion.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think that’ll be an issue anymore…. stevie y probably looks at injuries like that and breathes a sigh of relief.
by walkinvisible on Nov 25, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heat win 6-2 and Backlund collects all of 1 assist. Kid is having a rotten start to his pro career in NA (kinda like his pro career in Sweden come to think of it).
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
People talk about the Flames getting lucky that Backlund was available, great skill etc.
But isn’t the thing with these prospects that the development seasons are just as important as the natural skill? In that respect what we have in Backlund is probably exactly as advertised… a not-bad but a not-great chance at an NHLer, and not very likely an impact player.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Backlund is an odd case. He’s almost always dominated his age cohort, but never been able to put it together against better (read: older) players.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t notice the D matchps at all but TimeOnIce is showing Bouwmeester with a fair amount of time against Doan.
Doan and Lang are the Yotes’ main offensive threats, Could Sutter be surrendering the F matchup to get the D matchup? Seems like an ass-backwards way of doing things.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. It was tough to follow in that period.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I’ve talked myself into this now. It makes all kinds of sense from Tippett’s perspective to get Doan vs. Glencross.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jokinen almost with a great offensive play there awhile ago.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A rare Doan vs. Lanks shift there. That Doan can be dangerous.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. He’s easily their best player.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve surrendered a number of oddmans this game. Blah
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This game is a potent cure for insomnia.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow and I thought the Flames PP was bad.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hush. Well. things got a bit more interesting.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a perfect reflection of what Tippett has always wanted. A one shot game is ideal for that roster.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two forwards pursue the one defenseman. Baffling.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So much fail on that play.
by Resolute on Nov 25, 2009 8:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Damn. Surefire chance when you leave the weak side uncovered like that, too bad it turned into a goal.
We’re getting jobbed here by the Gods.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Now watch Phoenix play for overtime...
Just watch.
by tsukemonoki on Nov 25, 2009 8:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Flames were trying to put the game to bed before that goal, so I expect them to wake up a bit now.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sutter’s switched to the F matchup this period. Lanks and Reggie behind him.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see a bad bounce spoiling this game for the Flames.
by tsukemonoki on Nov 25, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Glencross’ SC number is going to absurdly good again tonight.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Conroy’s had two chances this game alone. If you buy Vic’s thing about 1 goal every 4 chances, then you’ve got to think he’s got a legit beef against the hockey gods.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ahahaha the Lanks line has dominated the Doan line all period.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That’s such a hard pass to defend when a guy throws it back short side.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Uh
Why does Jokinen keep trying those rinkwide passes?
by tsukemonoki on Nov 25, 2009 8:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Because Bertuzzi called him today and gave him some advice.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s baffling why he ddin’t take it deeper. But he didn’t have a shot there, I’ll give him that.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. Play with a one goal lead in the 3rd period, though, is get the puck in the corner.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, they’ve cycled well this game I think. They had some chances.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CHI with 3 SHG against the Sharks of all teams.
Hawks are the best team in the West.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That’s the game I was talking about. But what are they doing about their salary cap?
by tsukemonoki on Nov 25, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They’ll figure it out. Campbell, Sopel can be dumped.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sopel, maybe. That Campbell contract is going to be a bugger to move.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh. There’s always a willing sucker.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So they should be dominating and winning lots of Cups.
by tsukemonoki on Nov 25, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That Keith contract
Are they really going to lock him up for 10 years or something?
by tsukemonoki on Nov 25, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any idiot who trades for Campbell should be fired on the spot by the team owner.
by Resolute on Nov 25, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are still plenty of idiot GM’s around.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 26, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Those SHG’s are just bounces I think. But the shot count is lopsided too, I’ll run the ZoneStarts on that game later but I suspect it’ll be similarly tilted.
Here’s a quirky thing: CHI appears to have scored two SHG’s on the same PK. I can’t remember the last time I saw that.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Now we just need one from Moss and my wishes from the other thread will be granted, or at least on the way.
by LawrenceS on Nov 25, 2009 8:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Jokinen has reverted to being poor in this period.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and by poor you have sugarcoated “godawful,” yeah ?
by walkinvisible on Nov 25, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder who’s the whipping boy on this Coyotos team. I bet it’s Jovo. Didn’t see him all that good.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe tonight, but I think they’ve been relatively happy with him this year. He’s starting in the hole a fair bit, and not getting swamped.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Langkow’s line gets the final minute. That’s telling.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, the first period was poor, but the Flames were pretty decent for the rest.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 8:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
From the open faceoff up to the second PK expired, they were really disorganized. From there it was gold, Jerry!
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Flames +5, so -3 in the third. Considering they were ahead for most of the period, not awful.
EV shots 26-25 ’Yotes. 12-8 PHX in the third.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Phoenix forward ranks looks like a slightly worse version of the Flames F. A lot of players who look like good NHLers in terms of moving the puck north, not much in terms of guys who have bona fide scoring talent.
by R O on Nov 25, 2009 9:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Most of the team in the black. This might be the first game the Flames have held the opponent to single digits.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 9:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Joining in late, haven’t read comments but here’s my quick take…
…not a great game all around, they were fine and PHX didn’t have great scoring chances, but overall it wasn’t as good a performance as the last two (or first 30 minutes against CHI)
…but I’m guessing numbers were OK because PHX didn’t have the great chances and they took a lot of shots at the net in the 2nd.
…JayBo played his worst game, he made more shaky mistakes than in any game I’ve seen.
…12/21 weren’t overly dangerous except when Boyd was out there with them – he missed on a few passes, but he makes that line much more dynamic.
…nice of the big galoot from PHX to tap Prust on the butt with a ‘thanks for showing up’, because a) Prust held his own; b) that was as useless a fight as any I’ve seen.
by maimster on Nov 25, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also, good to see Hawks beating up another team on the road…
by maimster on Nov 25, 2009 10:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bourque-less second line had a really good game, Can Lawrence get his wish please Mr. Sutters?
by Parallex on Nov 26, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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