Flames Versus Coyotes Gamethread
by Kent Wilson on Nov 25, 2009 6:06 PM PST
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Phoenix Coyotes at Calgary Flames, Nov 25, 2009 6:30 PM PST
Phoenix and the Flames have had a fruitful trading relationship over the years. Langkow, Lombardi, Gauthier, Saprykin, Lundmark, Leclerc, Prust and Vandermeer are a few of the guys that have moved from one to other the last few seasons. Throw in recent defectees Dawes and Aucoin and you have the odd sensation of familial in-fighting when the two clubs face each other.
Stuff to watch for -
- Coyotes have a lot of interesting youngsters, but most people don't know about Martin Hanzal - mainly because he plays some of the most thankless minutes on the squad. He frequently sees some of the toughest competition and starts a bunch in his own zone. Tough gig for a 22 year old. He may or may not return from injury tonight.
- As Robert mentioned, Tippett has the Desert Dogs playing respectable hockey. However, the combination of air tight defensive system and rather lackluster roster has them 27th in the league in terms of ES scoring (32).
- Ilya Bryzgalov continues to give the Coyotes quality goaltending (currently 13th in the league with a 918 SV%). He was a waiver wire pick-up from the Ducks back when Burke decided that signing three quality goaltenders somehow made sense.
- The Langkow line has understandably gone a bit silent in the absence of Bourque. Commenter Lawrence would like to see them pick up a bit in the hopes an effective Bourque-less trio would convince Sutter to put Rene on the Jokinen/Iginla line when he returns. Not a bad thought.
Let's get at it.
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um. i recall him taking a puck in the face against anaheim…. i would presume the swelling might have prevented him from wearing a helmet.
by walkinvisible on Nov 25, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure what is worse, our poor play or their late, high hits.
by Resolute on Nov 25, 2009 6:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That’s a suprising level of displeasure. He’s struggled, but I don’t see how Aaron Johnson helps much.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
True. I don’t think they can get enough to help up front with a move for just Sarich. I still think they’ll just try to add a middling piece in March.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
puck in the face v. anaheim…. i’d bet on it.
by walkinvisible on Nov 25, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
That poor linesman was working hard!
by Resolute on Nov 25, 2009 6:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Since the league now owns the Coyotes, they got their refs to help out now. Pretty one-sided officiating so far.
by Resolute on Nov 25, 2009 7:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions
A split between Hanzal and Lombardi against Iggy by my eye that period. And Doan/Lang favored against Glencross, and Boyd by extension.
Did we even register a chance?
That early chance off the opening faceoff was just a disaster all around. Phaneuf is screwed either way without support. But he still makes the wrong choice, damn.
What’s with Vancouver facing a bunch of teams on their second-night-in-B2B’s this month?
I don’t get the bitching to the west, they had a pretty reasonable schedule in terms of miles and B2Bs last season compared to CGY and SJS, and IIRC even more so this season.
yes !!!!! this is what i’m talkin’ about !!! ;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 25, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure it will take a full decapitation before these zebras call any kind of penalty on the Coyotes…
by Resolute on Nov 25, 2009 7:40 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Right on cue, guys. And that’s the least of the things that have gone on.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Bouwmeester had a horrid giveaway on that panic shift, too slow on the clear. Moss did the same thing a few shifts before but got away with it.
I think we’re starting to see some separation in the matchups now. Hanzal vs. Iggy, Doan vs. Glencross.
Conroy can’t buy one, but that’s a great cycle shift by Glencross and friends. DOn’t know who was on the ice for PHX though.
Makes sense. The Flames were changing too.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Btw, I don’t know Doan very well but the Oilogosphere crowd doesn’t like him very much. One-dimensional forward or some such.
You know, I always get a little wary judging guys that haven’t had fuck all for help in a half a dozen years. I think his coaches have told him to hunt for offence without regard to to some other aspects of the game because they have nothing else. That might effect the way you approach things over time. JMO.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
Like Jokinen, eh? ;-)
I get your point though. It’s harder for some people to get the message in those circumstances. But some players do, and they are rare and special.
Iginla is one of those I think.
Sorta, but Joker got weak comp handed to him on a spoon for years. Doan has never played anything worse than decent comp, certainly not since they unloaded Tkachuk to St. Louis years ago. I think Doan was following orders as much as anythiing else.
And Jarome Iginla is in a different class. Doan’s a good player, but he’s not a lock HOF candidate, and it isn’t like Iggy hasn’t had his lapses the last couple of years. I think the Oilogisphere is still butt-hurt they fucked up by drafting Steve Kelly or Bonsignore or whoever they picked that year.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Huh. I’ve always had the feeling that Doan was a top notch player doing it all by himself down there.
i agree with this statement, based on how MONEY doan is in international play, when he’s lined up with guys like nash… he’s totally clutch, IMO. still a candidate for canadian team captain….
by walkinvisible on Nov 25, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
i don’t think that’ll be an issue anymore…. stevie y probably looks at injuries like that and breathes a sigh of relief.
by walkinvisible on Nov 25, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Heat win 6-2 and Backlund collects all of 1 assist. Kid is having a rotten start to his pro career in NA (kinda like his pro career in Sweden come to think of it).
People talk about the Flames getting lucky that Backlund was available, great skill etc.
But isn’t the thing with these prospects that the development seasons are just as important as the natural skill? In that respect what we have in Backlund is probably exactly as advertised… a not-bad but a not-great chance at an NHLer, and not very likely an impact player.
I didn’t notice the D matchps at all but TimeOnIce is showing Bouwmeester with a fair amount of time against Doan.
Doan and Lang are the Yotes’ main offensive threats, Could Sutter be surrendering the F matchup to get the D matchup? Seems like an ass-backwards way of doing things.
Hush. Well. things got a bit more interesting.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
This is a perfect reflection of what Tippett has always wanted. A one shot game is ideal for that roster.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
Sopel, maybe. That Campbell contract is going to be a bugger to move.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Ha! Now we just need one from Moss and my wishes from the other thread will be granted, or at least on the way.
and by poor you have sugarcoated “godawful,” yeah ?
by walkinvisible on Nov 25, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder who’s the whipping boy on this Coyotos team. I bet it’s Jovo. Didn’t see him all that good.
Maybe tonight, but I think they’ve been relatively happy with him this year. He’s starting in the hole a fair bit, and not getting swamped.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 25, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Joining in late, haven’t read comments but here’s my quick take…
…not a great game all around, they were fine and PHX didn’t have great scoring chances, but overall it wasn’t as good a performance as the last two (or first 30 minutes against CHI)
…but I’m guessing numbers were OK because PHX didn’t have the great chances and they took a lot of shots at the net in the 2nd.
…JayBo played his worst game, he made more shaky mistakes than in any game I’ve seen.
…12/21 weren’t overly dangerous except when Boyd was out there with them – he missed on a few passes, but he makes that line much more dynamic.
…nice of the big galoot from PHX to tap Prust on the butt with a ‘thanks for showing up’, because a) Prust held his own; b) that was as useless a fight as any I’ve seen.
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