Flames @ Ducks Gamethread
by Kent Wilson on Nov 23, 2009 6:46 PM PST
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It's been a tough go for the Ducks. Doesn't mean the Flames can take them lightly though. Anaheim has one hell of a first line with Getzlaf and Perry and Calgary hasn't won in Anaheim since...well I can't remember.
Stuff to watch for:
- With Iginla and Jokinen having perhaps their best single game together this season LA, I'm guessing Sutter will match them against Getzlaf's trio (which is how Carlyle has been doing things this year anyways). Even with Iginla's turn around in full effect, that's not a match-up that fills me with confidence.
- Jamie Lundmark filled in well enough on the wing with the aforementioned big guns. Imagine, then, what another legitimate top 6 forward could mean for this club.
- McGrattan versus George "porn-stache" Parros this evening. Who wins? Who cares?
- With Iginla likely facing the big boys all night, perhaps guys like Langkow, Dawes, Moss, Glencross and Boyd will be able to feast on the Ducks rather dreadful forward depth.
- SNET showed a Brent Sutter interview where he praised the work of Mark Giordano, who's scoring chances and corsi numbers have gone through the roof since he moved to the third pairing.
- Kipper in net tonight. Flames will face the suddenly ineffectual JS Giguere. There was a time that would have been bad news, but no longer.
Let's get it on.
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Hey they had the lines including Sjostrom…. are they full of Shit?
I saw them:
1-Dawes-Lanks-Moss
2-Lundmark-Olli-Iggy
3-Prustrom2
4-GlenX-Connie-Boyd
With two quick goals? I’ve washed the Chicago game from my memory, but likely so.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
LOL. is it eerie that i wrote eerie right before the comment where you did ? i meant it in the way that the flames got 43 shots (aka the kind they need)…
by walkinvisible on Nov 23, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
sitting 14 rows up in the corner, attacking zone 1st and 3rd. lots of flames fans here as always,although duck fans are as loud as any I’ve heard. a guy with a Phaneuf jersey, just in front of me, so I guess i’ll have try not to watch Phaneuf so as not to get pissed and say something bad!
good to see a couple selanne jet’s jerseys in the crowd…
by maimster on Nov 23, 2009 7:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
that didn’t take long, probably it for the night
by maimster on Nov 23, 2009 7:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions
flames playing well, moving their feet. ducks are truly a one line team
by maimster on Nov 23, 2009 7:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Why don’t they use him more in the shootout?
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Because Iginla who’s like 2 for 100 on shootout, has to be slotted in there somewhere.
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well, this glenX theory obviously doesn’t hold water anymore.
by walkinvisible on Nov 23, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously!! WTF is up with letting two goals within a minute. This has to be a joke.
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is that 4 games in a row?
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Holy crap… that it just brutal. Lundmark with a stupid play, and then he’s out again…and the Flames crumble again. This sh*t does not happen this consistently to other teams.
Because other good teams’ top lines don’t lose their shit in their own zone all the time, Lawrence.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
“top lines”.
Nice shot differential, but that’s mostly the PP’s. Getzlaf et al. drank Iginla’s milkshake in that period.
Yeah, that should have been in quotation marks.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
only 4 shots on pp. big territorial edge to flames (other than first line)
by maimster on Nov 23, 2009 7:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So why put the worst defensive line out twice in a row. It can’t be coaching can it? Keenan did the same thing, so are f*cking Smegal and Iron Mike equally dumb.
I agree, Lawrence. I don’t understand matching those two lines. There’s absolutely no chance that works out for the Flames. I can’t understand that strategy at all.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
I really miss the old Mighty Ducks uniforms and logo.
It’s not the Honda Center…it’s the Pond!!
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find that hard to believe, but probably depends on your methodology.
by maimster on Nov 23, 2009 7:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Iginla unit vs. Getzlaf unit is a shitkicking. Thank the Lord the Ducks have no depth because that’s the only way we are going to beat them by the looks of it.
And Iginla has played the least worst here I think. He at least has picked up his man. On that 2nd goal, Jokinen can’t decide whether he’s a centre or winger, and he ends up taking nobody.
And Lundmark shows his stripes against real first line comp. I bet the CP/sports talk radio crowd couldn’t stuff it in their pants quickly enough.
I think it’s time, Brent Sutter. Time for the organization to swallow its pride, and put Jokinen permanently on the third line (or lower).
I don’t know how you’re blaming Jokinen on those goals. Jokinen to me, was one of the best forwards out there. He made a good heads up pass on the glenX goal. You can’t defend the Lundmark flop…and he’s out again not blocking a shot. Iggy was playing centre on the second goal and Joker is covering the RD.
If anything it looks like Lundmark was out of position, he’s the deepest of the three F’s by the looks of it. So I suppose Jokinen could have been covering for him. Either way though, it was a terrible sequence for the two of them. That’s a low% play by Jokinen, he has so much space to cover to get to Boynton and his best bet is to block.
And I’m not apologizing for Iggy much either, he’s the least worst, far cry from good.
I’m not making a comment about Iggy, I just think putting that fiasco on Jokinen is brutal. I’m not saying he was Ovechkin, but I wouldn’t blame him at all for those goals. If I’m on the bench Lundmark sits/plays 4th line for the 2nd and is told if he doesn’t get his shit together he’s not coming up again. That is unacceptable.
Maybe I’m stupid or ignorant…but why was Lundmark playing with Joker and Iginla in the first place?
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The error is playing Lundmark against good comp to begin with. Iggy and Joker have enough problems of their own, and would likely struggle against Getzlaf-Perry under ideal circumstances.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Re: Jokinen’s pass – that was all kinds of bounce. In a hundred parallel universes fully seventy of them don’t result in a sniff.
So what? It did happen. In nine parrallel universes Lundmark doesn’t fucking suck and we’re winning too. It still, at the very least is a high percentage get the puck out with no chance of icing play…flipping it high in the air. It’s a damn smart play regardless and I’m getting a little tired of hearing how every mistake is Jokers fault. Lundmark licked bag that period and he’s the reason we’re down 2-1. Plain and simple.
Well no I just don’t characterize it as a good pass when odds-on it doesn’t work. Y’know?
Just cuz you hit a straight with 2-6 offsuit against Aces, doesn’t make it a good bet on the flop.
Well, then we disagree. I don’t know shit about poker, but I know that in hockey flipping the puck high out of the zone is never a bad play and whether it’s lucky or not, doesn’t matter much to me. I just want a struggling defensive line to make smart plays getting it out without icing it…if it results in a play that leads to a goal, all the better. Either way, it’s certainly not a bad play.
Oh come now, at least wait till the end of the game before being all Apocalyptic like that. giv them a chance to make those back and all that
yeah but come on…they’ve given up goals in less than a minute in the Hawks, Kings, and Ducks game. that’s baffling…and i guarantee you that not even the Hurricanes give up shit like that.
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I’m not apocalyptic, they can win this game and it’s still well within reach but it won’t be on the back of the Iggy-Getzlaf matchup. That’s all.
I just want Jokinen off tough comp. Have wanted this since the start of the season.
It’s not going to happen tonight If Jokinen sticks with Iginla. Carlyle will go for that hard match all game.
Sutter was saving Boyd up for a McG shift, apparently.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
for a moment there it looked like the 1st line would redeem themselves.
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Good shift at any rate. And Joker did a good job on the cover when they went the other way. Now lets see how the PP does.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
The Flames have a lot of guys who can win puck batltes against guys at their pay grade and higher.
That Perry play has to be interference. Has to be.
You guys must not watch the NBA much. Plenty of great players get away with stuff, on the basis that it’s “their move” Patrick Ewing traveled in the post every damn game for 15 years. Well, that’s Corey Perry’s move, just like it’s Holmstrom’s. He gets that call.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Correct. If Joe Schmuck on the Indiana Pacers shuffles a foot an inch, it’s a travel. Same deal, unfortunately.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
I think this is one of the best games I’ve seen Jokinen play, at least defensively…
you can debate if he should be playing defensively focused… but maybe he’s decided do some good work on the D-side will lead to some good work on the O-side
The only really good one I can remember off the top of my head was against Montreal at home the first week of the season. The fact that it stands out is not good, is it?
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Nasty looking hit – was that a stick trip? I thought it looked more like boarding. But they called it tripping clearly.
Idiots. Even when they get it right, they get it wrong.
(unless I’m wrong)
Well Jokinen made a nice play there in the D-zone.
I still don’t think he plays well against tough comp. But credit is due.
i also agree that pardy looks pretty effin’ solid, but i wonder how much of that is due to gio’s consistant positional abilities
by walkinvisible on Nov 23, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Damn these Ducks are getting away with murder. Trip on Glencross on the last PK, and a surefire hold on Iginla by Nieds, and Peter Loubardias mentioned Sarich’s stick was held (though I didn’t see).
the trip on glenX was blatant coming up the boards out of the zone. the sarich stick holding was behind the play but UNBELIEVABLY obvious: sarich was literally YANKING on his stick and could not get it away from the ducks player….
by walkinvisible on Nov 23, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
(behind the net, though, and behind the play on the sarich penalty)
by walkinvisible on Nov 23, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
I never thought I would say this once iron mike left, but why can’t we decline penalties like football.
Meh, I don’t consider him an improvement. Get Moss or someone willing to take up shop in front of the net out there.
Nine forwards for the third, I’d guess, maybe 10 if they spot Nystrom. Not much of Lundmark or McG., if I had my way.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
They have all year, and Bourque being on the shelf just exacerbates the situation.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
CRAAAAZY nice dodge by gio…. not only does he not take an elbow in the head but he actually takes bobby ryan out of the play.
by walkinvisible on Nov 23, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
It would be nice if that turned into a goal, because he, and the team, could use a boost when Bourque is out.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like that last shift got Iginla and Jokinen out of the red as well. Plus they had a couple shifts against not-Getzlaf in that period.
They dug themselves out towards the end. The Flames were actually -1 with about 7 minutes left in the period.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
He’s earned it somewhat with Nystrom on those 4 on 4 shifts. That said, I don’t know if I’ve seen him start much in the D-zone. A lot of Lanks and Iggy on those move-the-puck-north gigs to my eye.
Yeah…mostly because he drew the McGrattan assignment. No way is Sutter starting that dude in the bad end of the ice.
These idiots are lucky not to be down by three or four though. This could have been Chicago-esque on the score clock with the way the Ducks PP is going.
And we’re not playing nearly half as well tonight at EV as we did on Thursday.
And we’re not playing nearly half as well tonight at EV as we did on Thursday.
Considering the quality of the opposition, likely so.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
comments so far match what i’m seeing. bright side is our net is winning the shot battle 30-14, so that could be good news for the third.
by maimster on Nov 23, 2009 8:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
So Leland Irving’s sv% is heading the wrong way….to .916% and dammit Brent Krahn is at 10-2 1.41 .958. Jeeezus.
Abbotsford can’t kill a penalty for bugger-all, Lawrence. I’m not sure it’s on him.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, for sure… it’s more that Krahn couldn’t save a puck for years until we trade him. Maybe the team is dominant.
uhhhh…. i’m pretty sure we just let him walk. ;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 23, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
i just logged in to suggest (and i’m sure it’s been suggested by others already tonight) that gio is ON FIRE. unbelievable game…. i presume he’ll play pretty much until we get a goal or the game ends, whichever comes first….
gio looks better than dion most nights. dion looks disinterested most nights.
by walkinvisible on Nov 23, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
You know, its the same thing every game. I get my hopes up that they will score and make the game competitive but it never happens. Unlike us, our opponents never give up their lead.
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Or the several games this year where the flames tied it in the last minute and went on to win it.
by Parallex on Nov 23, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Btw, any word on what exactly is wrong with Bourque. Is he playing next game?
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Highest shot output of the year by the Flames.
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that was a hell of a pass if he meant to put it off the skate
by d_p_h on Nov 23, 2009 9:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously, I think this has been Joker’s best game…in my eyes. he’s getter better…just at glacial speed.
Or the several games this year where the flames tied it in the last minute and went on to win it.
by Parallex on Nov 24, 2009 12:12 AM EST
…what can I say, I was wrong.
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So you think GlenX will get a chance at the shootout?
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Well, aside from a terrible first, I was pretty happy with the Iginla/Jokinen duo tonight. That might be the first time I’ve said that this year.
If anyone is going to beat us, I accept that it be Selanne.
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I’m a Jets fan from the dark ages, KJ. Just how it is. I was in the building the night he broke Bossy’s rookie record.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Ducks did not deserve that win, I thought. Their goalie won it for them.
That being said, why the hell is Dawes shooting before Iginla?
Meh, we “lost” the game but still got a point so I call it a charity point. I’d rather go back to having tie games to be honest but that’s not how the powers that be want it done these days.
Man, that freaking sucked. Why didn’t they deke on Giguere? Do they have no scouts? Even I know you don’t shoot on the guy. ARGHHH. I say….don’t shoot, what do all three do? Shoot.
Entertaining game, anyway. I didn’t think we played too well, we won the depth battle but our top guys were destroyed in the first thirty or so minutes. I think the ice was pretty evenly tilted through two at EV, but that’s not exactly a victory.
You wonder what happens if the Ducks PP even clicks with one goal. Surely they deserved it, they were dangerous on the man advantage allnnight and the Flames PK couldn’t handle them at all.
Full credit for the comeback though, and Iginla looked possessed in the latter half of the game. And Jokinen made me a liar, for the last half of this game at least – although you watch, he will stink at PVP again.
But the Ducks got shortchanged only being up 2-1 going in the third, and I have no qualms admitting that.
And I hate to be the lone contrarain voice. But that’s how I saw it.
P.S. the reffing was pretty even in the third I thought. The Ducks got away with a ton of obstruction, but so did the Flames D on the odd Ducks chance.
The Ducks did not deserve to win this game a gift from Jamie Lundmark won them this game. We dominated and they deserved the whole two points.
Why does Giggy have to wake up against us.
Not happy with the result but their are a lot of good things that can be taken from this game.
30 years of the NHL's Best Hockey, It got us through some tough times.
Jamie Lundmark is a player on this roster. Thus, his mistakes cannot be separated from our team’s mistakes. And his mistake completely reflects his calibre as a player, and the disparity between that skill level and that of our opposition.
If anything, one would look at Kent’s chance count and be glad he didn’t cost us more goals.
Scoring chances are up. I think the results will surprise people…because they actually surprise me.
Iginla and Jokinen still underwater. Glencross +7!
And Lundmark shows he really is an AHLer…-5 in this game.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 23, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
5-5 at EV in the third is surprising as hell. Must have been the transition chances. It happens. But the first two periods are exactly in line imo.
I would have expected Iggy underwater, that first three or four Getslav vs. Iggy shifts were excrucatingly bad to watch. I mean, you expect a bit more from your leaders right? And that’s just the hockey fan in me speaking. The cold hearted bastard is even worse.
Must have been the transition chances.
Pretty much. The Ducks had two real stints in the zone and they resulted in shots and rebounds, which are scoring chance gold. The Flames spent way more time in the good end, but there was a lot of point shots, blocks and shots from the side.
Glencross is a freaking beast by this metric.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 23, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
If you want to grant that Joker is a “good” player, having Lundmark out there is still three on two, R O. That’s a problem until the Flames reconfigure the lines. Bourque being out just adds to the problem.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough, and it was a good adjustment to put Boyd there in retrospect.
You still know my feelings on Jokinen. And the gamble paid off tonight (keeping him on Iggy’s line after the 30 minute mark) but we know it’s not going to last.
Sure. I don’t like him PvP at all, and haven’t. He has no history in his entire career that would suggest he’s capable of it. I can understand why it happens, but I don’t have to like it.
by Robert Cleave on Nov 23, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Well…it paid off with a tie, gained in the last minute of the game.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 23, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Ok I just checked out the +7 you were talking about. You ddin’t say it was 7-0!!!!
Damn. THAT is how you play in the NHL.
I ahd a feeling it would be a big number as I counted the game, but I didn’t think it would be that lop-sided. He was outstanding this evening.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 23, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Surprised me – I was in the Flame offensive end and I thought there were way more than 5 scoring chances. Could be getting caught up in the crowd emotion.
Seriously, other than the first 5 minutes, a couple of random PvP shifts and the PP in the second, it never felt like Anaheim was in this game, and that crowd, which is usually very rowdy, was extremely subdued the entire game. I never noticed anyone for Anaheim except the first line (and Carter taking dumb penalties). Don’t think the numbers do this one justice (with the exception of GlenX, who was worth every penny).
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