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Head to Head: G17-18, Flames @ Sabres and Leafs, Post-Games

Toronto Maple Leafs forward Colton Orr, right, fights with Calgary Flames forward Brian McGrattan, left, during first-period NHL hockey game action on Saturday, Nov. 14, 2009, in Toronto. (AP Photo/The Canadian Press,Nathan Denette)

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4 months ago: Toronto Maple Leafs forward Colton Orr, right, fights with Calgary Flames forward Brian McGrattan, left, during first-period NHL hockey game action on Saturday, Nov. 14, 2009, in Toronto. (AP Photo/The Canadian Press,Nathan Denette)

It's not too late for a post-game, is it? Surely not when head-to-head icetime data is involved... more after the jump.

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General thoughts:

The Sabres and Leafs games were much the same, I thought. We weren't fantastic at EV, but we were really bad on special teams. Kiprusoff played out of his mind, and Iginla was OK.

Now for the good stuff. Attached are the head-to-head ice-time tables and faceoff zone start numbers for every player in the BUF game (020265) and the TOR game (020268). The file formats are .CSV (comma-delimited) text files. If you're a Windows user, Excel can read these. Otherwise, you can use a text editor, or another spreadsheet program.

H2H table G17, CGY vs. BUF

ZoneStart, G17, CGY vs. BUF  

H2H table, G18, CGY vs. TOR

ZoneStart, G18, CGY vs. TOR

This is basically data that Vic made available through TimeOnIce last year. I don't know if this stuff is available this year, so I've put it up for public consumption. It's a ton of data to look at. My impressions:

  • Sutter's leaning on Bourque and Langkow hard in the defensive zone. That's why they had such awful Corsi numbers, I would imagine.
  • Iginla still gets respect around the league. Lindy Ruff threw both Tallinder and Pominville (his tough-minute guys) against him. Wilson decided to use Grabovski though, smart call I guess as it allowed him to free up Kessel to play vs. Boyd, Moss and Nystrom.
  • Bouwmeester has a pretty tough gig here in Calgary. Look at his icetime against Kessel. Then look at his zone starts.
  • Calgary needs to get its shit together and start putting pucks in the offensive zone.

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This is amazing. Thank you.

I was wondering why Langkow and Bourque were so underwater in BUF, but Iginla and Jokinen seemed to be doing well by corsi (even though I thought the former looked pretty good) – look no further than 18% offensive zone draws versus 66 and 60% for Iggy/Jokinen. Add those circumstances to all the PP time those two enjoyed and that’s probably why Jokinen looked better to so many people that night.

by Kent Wilson on Nov 16, 2009 7:06 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Here’s the scoring chance links for each game as well:

Sabres
Leafs

by Kent Wilson on Nov 16, 2009 7:09 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

And finally…does McGrattan’s face above looked photoshopped to anyone else?

by Kent Wilson on Nov 16, 2009 7:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I was extremely surprised Don Cherry attacked Flamingo Sjostrom during CC, but did nothing but praise McGratton after Orr beat his ass. I mean, a fight is a fight, but how could Don ignore that ridiculous hair cut McGratton had, it was like some sort of faux hawk with one side bleached blonde. I was certain he would make some comment that questioned McGratton`s sexual preference or something.

by Dustin Timberlake on Nov 16, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your first mistake

was actually watching Don Cherry.

by brisulph on Nov 16, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hahahahaha……

the coach’s corner comments are simple to decode: freddie’s a euro, mcG’s a big, tough ontario boy.

i’m pretty sure that cherry has never paid any attention to sjöström’s career, or watches any recent flames game this year, or he’d know that the single play he (cherry) pointed out was an anomaly; that freddie blocks shots, and has been hit with about five of them in the past few weeks causing near-injury [of course, half are in practice but the point stands].

by walkinvisible on Nov 16, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I doesn’t look photoshopped to me, but it may need to be after the fight.

I think Don’s points were:

Sjostrom should have blocked that shot and didn’t, and he’s right… he should have and didn’t. AND If Sjostrom is a shot blocker…that only makes it worse because that’s why he is out there (to kill penalties with speed and block shots. Likely he never sees Calgary and that’s why he was commenting on that one play.

I don’t think he ‘praised’ McGratton either, I think he praised fighting (which is another debate about his old-world ways) he said " Some you win, wome you lose, McGratton lost this one and will win the next one. And then applauded them both.

by LawrenceS on Nov 16, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work, Richard. I know from the early season face-off numbers that Iggy-Joker were starting in their own end quite a bit more often than they did in these two games, which is a big part of why the Corsi figures for the two of them were in the ditch. That, and a bit of ineptitude, of course. As for Bouwmeester, I should be able to post my 8 game review of his work with 12 and 21 later tonight, and the preliminary data certainly backs what you have here. He doesn’t get out there against many third lines.

by Robert Cleave on Nov 16, 2009 8:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Which should work nicely with a Sarich vs. Giordano with Bouwmeesrer post that I’m planning.

by Kent Wilson on Nov 16, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i hope you’re gonna say (and you are) that if gio takes a spot on the top pairing, then sarich as a #5 guy can and will be replaced by aaron johnson or staffan kronwall…

also i hope you’re gonna point out that gio’s TOI has increased pretty much each game, and is now playing actual minutes on both the PP and PK.

by walkinvisible on Nov 16, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m still nervous about Gio playing tough minutes. Sarich has had a couple stinkers recently but he’s got a track record for determining the zone whilst playing tough minutes.

Although I won’t object to a trade like Sarich for a quality forward like Bergeron, or Pominville, or Horton, or Weiss, or (signed) Frolov… basically any young tough-minute forward who can produce. I think such a player would be more of a difference maker than Sarich. Which is not a slight towards Sarich – that’s just the way the NHL works imo.

But moving Sarich down to the 3rd pairing for the sake of it… I don’t think I can get behind that*.

*Unless we’re pumping and dumping him of course, for one of the aforementioned forwards.

by R O on Nov 16, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Sarich has looked rough lately, but after you took me through that step by step advanced stats RO, I have a whole new respect for him, at least based on last years play. He can handle the tough minutes, but Frolov would be a nice one. He’s from the Calgary area isn’t he?

by LawrenceS on Nov 16, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Kiprusoff watch is getting very rewarding at this point. He is slowly moving his way up to full-value for the team and (at this early juncture) without getting to far ahead of ourselves…amongst the early Vezina forerunners.

Kipper stands tied for 4th in the league in wins with 11 behind three leaders with 12. This often debated goalie stat looks more like Kipper’s right to stake a claim to than perhaps last year…but we can move on without the big ‘wins-for-goalies’ debate.

He is 6th in the league with a .923 sv % (5th if you discount Conklin who is a stellar-backup yet again.)

He has climbed to 14th in the league in GAA at 2.36 (12th weeding out back-ups)

He also has faced the 6th most SA while having the 8th most TOI at this juncture.

His EVSV% is 6th in the league at .941 (4th discounting low minutes guys again)

Lastly he is on pace to play 73 games. Some of these stats are good….some bad. The 30.94 shots against per game are less than I would have thought, by about 1.5, but still about 6 higher than originally promised. As we run closer to the end of the first quarter, let’s hope the kinks are finally being ironed out.

Ok…

Last two games: 1.000% ev sv%, Highlight reel: 12-6

Game stats Kipper: 11-3-2 – .923% (.941% ev)
.920 sv% +: 9 of 16
sv% >/= opp. sv%: 13 of 16
<27 s/a: 3 of 16
>30 s/a: 7 of 16
>33 s/a: 6 of 16

Highlight reel: 72 – 41

Let’s hope Kipper keeps it going and the others on the team catch up.

by LawrenceS on Nov 16, 2009 11:06 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Outplaying (by sv%) or at least equalling Miller (shootout excluded) at his point looks like a great comparison point/achievement for Kipper as Miller seems to be far and away the best goalie in the NHL this season.

by LawrenceS on Nov 16, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s from the Calgary area isn’t he?

Moscow, actually. Of course if I was an Edmontonian, that would be followed by “pretty much the same thing, isn’t it?”.

On a more serious point, I’m not sure Sarich will go anywhere this year unless the team struggles for an extended period. If you ask me about next year, that’s a different story, but for now, I’d suspect he stays where he is, and the Flames fill a spot on LW at the deadline with a pending FA from a team out of the playoff chase. Maybe Tanguay, maybe Ponikarovsky, but someone at that approximate pay level and ability level.

by Robert Cleave on Nov 16, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What’s interesting about the Langkow line getting absolutely thrown to the wolves is that it’s a reversal of what Sutter was doing earlier in the year. The results are slightly better in that Langkow et al. aren’t getting totally annihilated like Iginla/Jokinen were and Jarome’s scoring a bit more now that he’s facing a soft assignment, but it hasn’t decisively turned possession to the Flames favor.

The thing is, I think a tough minute line that can move the puck from defense to offense is there: play Jarome with Langkow/Bourque, combine Regehr and Bouwmeester behind them and then feed everyone else the fleshy underbelly. Jokinen remains sheltered and guys like Glencross, Boyd, Dawes and Moss could probably do some damage if Lankgow+Iginla move the puck forward consistently.

Either that, or Sutter should cobble together a line he can just feed to the wolves a la Bonk in Nashville. Conroy and Nystrom seem like candidates for that assignment, given the fact that they’re good in their own end but unlikely to do much (offense wise) with a favorable assignment. But that’s just me.

by Kent Wilson on Nov 16, 2009 1:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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