Flames @ Leafs Gamethread
by Kent Wilson on Nov 14, 2009 3:53 PM PST
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Calgary Flames at Toronto Maple Leafs, Nov 14, 2009 4:00 PM PST
I'm doing double duty today, so most of my material was used up in the pregame thread. Some things I purposely skipped in order to have something to talk about here:
- It's been brought my attention that I'm probably being unfair to Olli Jokinen, who has become my #1 punching bag this year. It's probably true because, like all humans, I tend to look for evidence that confirms my preconceptions. As such, I propose a new Olli Jokinen drinking game: drink whenever he actually makes a good play.
- Sarich was abysmal again last night. In the long term, more performances like that could lead to a ticket out of town. In the short term, however, one wonders how long Sutter will put up with the Sarich/Bouwmeester pairing since there are obviously other options.
- One of those options is Mark Giordano, who I thought was outstanding last night. His reads on the PK led to the Bourque break-away and OT two-on-one chances were first class.
- Dustin Boyd hasn't made the scoresheet in awhile, but he continues to look like a better player to my eye. He made a number of notable plays at both ends of the ice and is getting better and better at winning the puck during board battles. David Moss, on the other hand, is still struggling to find his stride.
- Phil Kessel has played 5 games and already has 4 goals. Safe to say, whatever line he's on is the first line. I'm sure he'll see a lot of Bourque/Langkow tonight. The other Leaf forward to watch tonight is Alex Ponikarovsky. A 61 point getter last season, Ponkarovsky is a guy the math really likes.
- Let HNIC begin...
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 4:01 PM PST reply actions
Burned by the Center Ice/HNIC/NHL Network tonight...
…so if anyone can find a live stream, I’d love the information…
Have you tried
ATDHE.net?
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
personally, i check justin.tv now before atdhe.net … i find it far superior.
by walkinvisible on Nov 14, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
He's been decent on the PK this season, but not much else
And really, replacing him with Jamal Mayers is never the right move.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
He's been just awful.
He’s not that great defensively, and he’s also not much of a fighter. You’ve got guys like Primeau and Wallin who are better at the former, and Orr and Rosehill who are better at the latter.
Just no place for him on the roster, really.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
i, too, thought he wasn’t bad as a leaf, and has played some good shifts for team canada (historically)
by walkinvisible on Nov 14, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
I propose a new Olli Jokinen drinking game: drink whenever he actually makes a good play.
but…. what if you want to get drunk ??!?
with every passing game, it infuriates me just a little bit more how much keenan hated gio. last year, i don’t think gio played even a SECOND on the PK (unless there were any/all of dion, regehr & sarich already in the box) and i gotta say i think his PK work this year has been fairly outstanding.
Giordano
Has always stood out to me as a solid, underrated defenseman. I’m not sure what Keenan was thinking hating on that guy
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
I dont know if he hated him. he just didn’t like him as much as we think he probably should have.
So what’s this ceremony for again?
Remembering a decade without a single winning season
The Leafs drafted Wendel Clark in 1985. That’s about it for the good things that happened to the Leafs in that decade.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'm surprised they didn't do the obvious
And just put “REMEMBER LEAF NATION; IT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN WORSE” on the jumbotron.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
looks like the annual “wendel clarke ruled” ceremony :)
by walkinvisible on Nov 14, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
FMC: you don’t know this but i’m the biggest gio fan out there:
http://hitthepost.blogspot.com/2009/01/check-it.html
by walkinvisible on Nov 14, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
i think 21 played one of his best games of the season last night. thats not saying much though.
watched the first period of the ottawa – nyr game, kovalev is even worse than jokinen.
What the hell is that
on McGrattan’s head?!
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 4:25 PM PST reply actions
his haircut.
he was apparently bored one afternoon.
by walkinvisible on Nov 14, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
there’s a video of it at flames .com… pretty funny.
love watching mcgrattan smiling at the highlights on the jumbotron of his loss.
by walkinvisible on Nov 14, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
I take back my comments about Mayers being a poor fighter.
But, only slightly.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 4:26 PM PST reply actions
or preems 1.4 ?
probably a lot like the way it feels to be paying jokinen 5.5 i’d imagine…. ;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 14, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
The JFJ era was just two years ago now.
With that in mind, $1M for Orr feels like chump change.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
i think prust only fought so he could spend some time in the box with mcG. and advise him on the nose situation.
looks like bourque wants a look at mcG’s nose too.
by walkinvisible on Nov 14, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
There’s your pugnacious Brian Burke hockey.
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by KingJafi on Nov 14, 2009 4:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I was gonna joke about Beauchemin not earning his paycheque
Perhaps that would’ve been ill-timed.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 4:32 PM PST reply actions
i wonder if that was a gio miscue or sarich, but clearly nobody took the guy infront.
by walkinvisible on Nov 14, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for picking up for me Kent. I’m out the door to go see the Tyler Bozak Experience aka Manitoba at home to the Marlies.
I could have done with the PP goal against to send me out the door, but that’s how it goes. 8-6 again?
Craig Simpson.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
simpson has time to do colour with all the figure skating ??? ;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 14, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Nice goal. Good to see him being rewarded.
Annnndd they’re pulling the Monster. That’s terrible news for me personally.
Just not his night.
Not entirely his fault, but with 3 goals on 5 shots, they needed to get him outta there.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Nystrom picking up where he left off last night.
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by KingJafi on Nov 14, 2009 4:43 PM PST via mobile reply actions
where are you sitting tonight ? i wanna see the lanny jersey !!!!!
by walkinvisible on Nov 14, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Stepped away to make a call (and avoid the pregame ceremony) and just started watching in time to see Boyder score…good score, hope this isn’t going to be a high scoring affair though. Starting to enjoy them playing good D again…
Has Jim Hughson not watched any Flames hockey this year? If he’s top dog at HNIC, he should know that Iggy-Joker-+ is not the “Flames top line”
they are and will always be considered the first line cause it’s the big money line and our captain is on it… even though they’re not producing like the first line.
by walkinvisible on Nov 14, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Why are they giving the ribbing to Toskala? Don’t they know that he didn’t let in the first 3?
Or maybe its for the last 3……years that is.
Kipper leaving rebounds that we’re fortunately jumping on. Better teams wouldn’t be so nice…
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by KingJafi on Nov 14, 2009 4:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That was a familiar script...
…get a lead early and then try your darndest to give it all back. Nice to have the lead, but I wasn’t impressed with that period.
Yeah, but you're up against a team with little to no finish.
Unless Kessel has the puck, there’s not much reason for concern.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Sjostrom was a good pickup for you guys.
Actually, I like the Flames bottom 6. A lot. Glencross has to be one of my favourite players on the Flames. Next to Iggy, of course.
Plus, they were really the only players who actually played well against Chicago in the playoffs last year.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
He had a point on that particular play, there were three Flames doing a whole lotta nothing other than standing around.
sure but one shift does not a flamingo make…. ADDITIONALLY, i believe freddie had quite an awesome shift to start the second….
by walkinvisible on Nov 15, 2009 1:35 AM PST up reply actions
They keft Kipper out to dry on that one…
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by KingJafi on Nov 14, 2009 5:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That’s good to see, something I didn’t witness often enough with Keenan on the bench. Shots 19-7 again….two PP goals against and a 3 on 1 as I type. Pathetic.
Is that the new trend? Go up big and give up a boatload of shots? 20 SOGs for the Leafs!?!?
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by KingJafi on Nov 14, 2009 5:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Nothing new about it. They started doing it in game one of the season.
The blueline has been abysmal tonight. Regehr, Sarich, Bouwmeester…making bad plays and bad reads.
I guess the going up in the first minute only is the new trend then.(Chicago game excluded)
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by KingJafi on Nov 14, 2009 5:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Kipper
Could easily make 40 saves tonight.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
can’t stand being around all these leafs fans…
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by KingJafi on Nov 14, 2009 5:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Hi.
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
I know.
I felt like bugging him in friendly territory. Sorry. :P
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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 14, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Haha.Definitely much friendlier here online. These wimps talk all their trash when you wait in line for the pisser.
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by KingJafi on Nov 14, 2009 5:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks for pointing that out Kent. Good solid showing again tonight by Flames fans.
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by KingJafi on Nov 14, 2009 5:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This worst part about it, is that this result, thus far, is not even much about the Leafs playing well, it is a simple, clinical example of how you lose a hockey game. It’s hard to imagine a team playing so poorly.
Let’s give the Leafs some credit…they’re playing well.
But yeah, Flames look exhausted. And like they have their heads up their asses.
Kent, You know its bad… when it has become just you and I spewing absolute hate towards the screen. About 10 consecutive posts of sheer and total disgust.
So I’ve gotten used to giving up so many shots. But 11 shots so far on this Maple Leafs is just poor and quite frankly annoying.
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by KingJafi on Nov 14, 2009 5:56 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Corsi through 2. Bouwmeester is an unbelievable -17, which probably comes from starting every shift in your own zone behind forwards that never, ever win face-offs. Not that he’s playing all that well though.
Bourque, Langkow, Dawes having a rare off night in terms of possession.
At least Iginla and Jokinen are above water I guess.
Yeah I saw that too. Are the flames just shooting that poorly? because Gio’s corsi is higher than the shot total….can that be correct? I guess is possible….but a little mind-boggling.
yeah, it’s possible given that shots are just one third of the total sample.
Lots of blocked shots and shots deflected close to the source in that period. The few times Calgary got scoring chances in that period, the forwards almost universally failed to pull the trigger before there was a defender in their face.
Flames are going to have to figure out their break-out. The ol’ “rim the puck slowly up the boards” has really shot them in the foot the last 2 games.
They need something to change. because another period of the shots being 15-5 is going to spell loss pretty quickly.
Kipper has got to be exhausted at this point. Outshot last night….and now getting hammered tonight. I would love to see a period of allowing no more than 5 or 6 shots against.
I don’t know what Sjostrom is thinking on that play. The Leafs have been hard on the offensive boards all night. You have the puck on your stick on the boards. You have to know someone is coming for you right now. Instead, he carries the puck into coverage, gets smoked and causes a 2on1 down low going the other way.
Awful.
I’ve pretty much missed everything from early 2nd ‘til now…I guess that’s probably for the best? haha
Yeah….Kipper is a (n unnecessarily) proud mofo… he refused to play for Finland for years because of a grudge he held against their national program.
Scoring chances are up. ES was surprising close, but the Leafs finished the night ahead of the Flames, mostly because their PP was very strong.
Safe to say this was the game of the Good the Bad and the Ugly but we came out on top when it mattered the most some thoughts.
- Kipper amazing like he has been all year.
- Power play finally got a goal but needs to be much better with the talent we have.
- Iginla is playing like a man possessed.
- Sarich wasn’t very good at all.
- I think the play tonight showed a very tired team on an eastern road trip but outside of most of the 1st and all of the 2nd we did what we had to do.
WE CAN’T COMPLAIN lol
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Just finished this game taped on the PVR. A few more thoughts.
FUCK IS OLLI JOKINEN TERRIBLE.
SERIOUSLY, HE’S UNBELIEVABLY BAD.
Kipper was awesome again.
That is all.
but he looked good in that fight !!!! and by “looked good” i mean in the way that bleeding turtles look good.
ps: on the radio after the game they said “the final score in toronto tonight: kiprusoff 5, maple leafs 2”… awesome….
;)
by walkinvisible on Nov 15, 2009 1:43 AM PST up reply actions
I wonder how humiliated he was sitting in that penalty box, knowing that the entire country was watching him on TV at that moment as he bled like a stuck pig. It bothers me to say this, but he might be worse than sparklepants at the moment.
during the sabres game i said “i effing hate him. seriously. worse than bertuzzi. officialy. cause he’s expensive and we gave up so much….could we trade jokinen for bertuzzi ?” …. perhaps i’m now overlooking what good things he does purely based on my ire but he is an embarassment. sure, it was nice that he “stood up” for freddie, but he looked like alex semin in that fight. and this is not a compliment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRCpN4OMpM
by walkinvisible on Nov 15, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Are you people serious?
You know I don’t want to defend Jokinen either but some of you make it impossible.
You’re slamming Joker for fighting Beauchamin? That’s super harsh. Beauchamin is a friggin’ tough dude and considering that we should be applauding Joker for trying to be involved. (fighting debate excluded). Dude got his ass one-punched…..but basically so did Iggy by the same guy. Yeah Iggy got up, and ate another, but at least Joker is trying to do something out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Ar_BTlGOY
Holy sh*t, sure he’s struggling, but cut the guy some F%$*ing slack.
roman turek re-negotiated his contract for less money in 04 cause he wanted to stay with the team and knew he wasn’t worth what he was getting paid.
‘nuff said.
(i’m lookin’ at you, olli)
by walkinvisible on Nov 15, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, WI, I know this, and you know this. I’m not saying Jokinen is a value contract right now, or that he will ever be. I’m not inclined to defend his overall play, his two goals, his poor defensive coverage or any other issue with Jokinen. All I am saying is the guy put his neck out there for Sjostrom (whether warranted or not) and got his face punched in for it. Maybe people prefer Jokinen with less involvement than that. Well, I don’t, and I’m sure not going to sit here and make fun of the guy for it, cause Beauchamin throws a hard punch, which both Iggy and Joker know.
He’s putting in a effort and not being rewarded, and he could put in more effort in my mind, but he could also put in a lot less. Maybe people would prefer that though? I don’t know.
i guess perhaps it’s cause i’m already down on the guy, so he’ll have to do a whole lot more than defend his scandinavian homeboy for getting hit legally, but it seemed kindof contrived to me. it was like he saw an opportunity to be a good teammate and the big hero, and he got embarassed for it by turtling moments after the first punch was thrown….
sure, yeah. he turned up to play in toronto. i’ll need to see that and MUCH more in the next games in order to consider him anywhere near worth his contract and his trade….
by walkinvisible on Nov 15, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
Get over it we’re stuck with Olli until July 1st, 2010 so I guess we have to get used to it and hope he will play up to mediocrity I’d be happy with 50 points right now but he is giving his all and it’s just not paying off like LawrenceS said just give it some time.
He’s on pace for 9 Goal & 36 Assists.
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