Game 3: Canadiens at Flames - Post Game
With Vancouver going oh-fer-three to start the season, tonight's game against the lowly Canadiens was a perfect opportunity for the Flames to gain some ground on our biggest division rivals. And if the first three games are any indication, we'll need all the points we can get.
First period breakdown:
EV Shots: 9-7 Montreal
EV Corsi: +4 Calgary
Calgary comes out hard on the puck and does some nice things in the enemy's end of the ice, culminating in an Eric Nystrom goal. The Iginla line and Regehr-Phaneuf pairing continue to struggle, and two late Montreal goals are mildly deflating. Overall, however, Calgary played well - they kept moving the puck moving north and didn't get passive.
Notables:
Iginla gets less than 4 minutes in the first, Jokinen less than five minutes. This is accountability, eh? Fine, but I'd rather these guys just start playing hockey like they're getting paid to do it.
Second period breakdown:
EV Shots: 15-6 Calgary
EV Corsi: +13 Calgary
Holy marbles those are the Flames we know and love. Montreal was held shotless for almost the entire first half of this period. Meanwhile the Flames are busy scoring at EV, scoring on the PP, hell they probably would have scored SH that's how good they were playing. It looked like we were going to leave the period with nice things (i.e. a lead and improved play) but Regehr fails to take his man Plekanec along the boards and Montreal scores with 11 seconds left.
Notables:
The powerplay looks quite nice, and I say this knowing a 71% PP efficiency is not sustainable. But zone entry has not been a problem, premature zone exit has not been a problem, and positioning and movement are markedly different from last year. Thank the lawd.
Regehr, Regehr, Regehr... what the hell is wrong with you? The boards are Regehr's bread and butter but I don't think he's pasted one guy into the boards these last three games, and today it cost us.
Third period breakdown:
EV Shots: 15-5 Montreal
EV Corsi: +12 Montreal
The Flames come out swinging AGAIN in this period and do some nice things at EV. It all fell apart, though, right after they scored. They played a passive clear-and-retreat game and the result was domination by Montreal. They end up holding on to the lead, you can put it in the win column, yada yada yada. Point is, they can and should have played better.
Notables:
Nystrom was initially credited with a hat-trick, but his third goal (the game-winner) was given to Kronwall after the game.
Overall:
EV Shots: 30-27 Montreal
EV Corsi: +5 Calgary
This was probably the best game the Flames have played, and that's not a good thing. Our money players looked especially bad. Jokinen is a known quantity (soft-comp scorer) but Iginla, our perennial difference-maker, has looked for all the world like he's dragging anchors on both ankles. Phaneuf still has a lot of chaos in his game, and Regehr can't for the life of him take his man out of the play.
On the bright side, our greatest strength last season (territorial advantage) manifested itself in the first and second periods, and the portion of the third period before the game-winner. Watching the Flames became fun again. But the last 15 minutes of the game were simply atrocious. Playing prevent defense with a lead with 10+ minutes to go is a losing strategy. Thankfully it is fixable and we can let ourselves hope that Coach Sutter will knock some sense into the boys.
Notables:
I haven't seen this much EV time in a game, since, ever. The refs swallowed the whistles despite multiple egregious infractions committed by Montreal (and Calgary I'm sure, but I didn't notice :-) ).
Jay Bouwmeester is impressive to my eye (light speed on skates, good stick, good positioning, good reads) but he's getting killed territorially. -7 Corsi on the night, he and Gio (-9) were the worst in that department. No idea what the faceoff breakdown is though, and Kent confirmed he was splitting time with Regehr/Phaneuf against Montreal's top line.
That's all folks.
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I can only assume that Bouwmeester/Gio are getting a lot of own-zone draws and/or playing behind Iginla/Jokinen which is killing their corsi rates. To the naked eye, they look much better than the Regehr/Phaneuf pairing.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 6, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering if Gio and Bouwmeester’s poor Corsi was a partial result of playing behind the first line as well, Kent. The only Flames’ forwards in the red were the top three, and my memory suggests they were out there as a group quite often.
Good stuff, R O. The second period was what I think most of us would expect against a depleted line-up.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 6, 2009 9:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think so. I’ve suggested in the past that forwards mostly drive corsi and this would be a confirmation of that theory – a defender can be a good puck mover and such, but a majority of the work has to be completed by the forwards. Not only because of the nature of the position, but because there’s more of them on the ice. You could be Paul Coffey, but if you’re facing tough match-ups and the guys in front of you are towing pianos around the ice, you’ll probably get buried no matter how many nice outlet passes you make.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 6, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if i remember correctly, the regehr/phaneuf pairing skated behind the iggy line in the first, and were replaced on that assignment for the second and third by gio & jaybouw (which would explain the suffering corsi).
by walkinvisible on Oct 6, 2009 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems right. They certainly were out there for the first goal, which was a series of inept moves by Regher, Iginla and Jokinen, in about that order.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 6, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight was also a bad game on the dot. We were 44% (21/48) – Iggy led the charge with 6/10 faceoffs but only 2/5 in the defensive zone. Conroy was the worst of the big 4 (Iggy, Jokinen, Langkow, Conroy) at 4/11.
by R O on Oct 6, 2009 9:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, tough to start without the puck. I also noticed that the Flames’ top 4 forwards in terms of EV icetime were Bourque, Langkow, Dawes and Glencross. That’s a mixed blessing, because it largely speaks to the ineffectiveness of the first line if their EV time doesn’t stand out. Frankly. the fourth line got more done in 8 minutes than the first did in about double that time.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 6, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What were their individual FO stats?
by RossCreek on Oct 6, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 for 11 as a team in the defensive zone. That’ll kill a Corsi number right there.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 6, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Solid effort by the whole team it only took 3 games but whatever, the Forth Line continues to be the Flames best and there is no reason they can’t keep it up.
Good to see Jokinen and Iginla have bounce back games and no penalties props to the discipline.
Home of the NHL's Best Defense.
by CofRed on Oct 6, 2009 11:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Still struggling like mad, but Iggy and Wildcard started to show flashes of what they can be in the third period – especially Iginla backchecking like a mofo on a couple shifts to help break up plays.
All we need now is for Sarich to get back (any idea of a timetable?) so that we can split up the disaster that is Regehr-Phaneuf.
by Resolute on Oct 7, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly doubt Sarich returning will spend the end to the top 4 pairings.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 7, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
love the corsi breakdown and that timeonice is up again
by shep_ on Oct 7, 2009 2:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems like things continued along the same route
I conked out after the 1st period (EST zone here, and I was wiped from work), so I had to watch the highlights today. Of course, knowing that the highlights never tell you close the whole story, came here first thing to see what the deal was. Iginla gets a goal, but PP, and the first line continues to hurt all our brains… yep, things not changed yet.
by brisulph on Oct 7, 2009 5:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Same with last year,
if I remember correctly. Our starters struggle, others step up and provide us the wins. Great job for the 4th line and 3rd pair of defense.
by Outz on Oct 7, 2009 7:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
game state corsi
Does anyone know how to run the corsi for the first three games when the Flames are leading, tied and trailing? I suspect that the corsi number while trailing would be very bad as a team, but I would really like to see If there is a team wide let down, which I would attribute to a coaching or system failure, or if certain players are the culprits.
by CalTach on Oct 7, 2009 6:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I don’t how to do that personally, but it’s a good thought.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 7, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can do it manually by looking at the play-by-play (linked above). Basically just count up the goals, shots on goal, missed shots and blocked shots for each team when at even strength.
Also, your hunch is half-correct. Shots +/- and Corsi do change according to the score but it generally goes up when you’re trailing. More about that can be found at http://objectivenhl.blogspot.com
by R O on Oct 8, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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