Flames Versus Red Wings Gamethread
by Kent Wilson on Oct 31, 2009 6:30 PM PDT
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Detroit Red Wings at Calgary Flames, Oct 31, 2009 7:00 PM PDT
The Red Wings aren't the heavyweights they were, but they still represent a significant challenge. In fact, outside of the Blackhawks, they're probably the best club the Flames will face inside their first 15 games (and we all know how the CHI game went).
No Franzen, no Hossa, no Hudler, no Filpulla, no Leino...but Datsyuk and Zetterberg are the kind of players that can do significant damage all by themselves. I'm guessing we'll see Zetterberg matched against Langkow while Datsuk will face Iginla - and that makes me a little nervous quite frankly.
The good news is, the Wings goaltending is still terrible and represents their primary achilles heel (again). If Kipper can significantly outplay Osgood, then it might not matter how good Dats and Zetterberg are this evening.
I won't be around for the live action this evening, so expect the scoring chance count to pop up tomorrow.
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So am I the only one here?
Leafs just can’t buy a win right now.
Pretty good start here for the Flames.
by brisulph on Oct 31, 2009 7:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I just got on and got the game going.
by ngthagg on Oct 31, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys saw the hab’s jersey tonight? I haven’t watch too many of habs game so i don’t know how long have they been wearin’ it, but those jersey is just wronggg
by Outz on Oct 31, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Wings are fast. more specifically, Datsyuk is fast – that’s the second transition chance he’s had.
But Bouwmeester got the better of him there, stood him up without taking a penalty. Beauty player.
Flames have the better of the play this early first period.
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was at the Ottawa game today
Dear lord I have not seen a goalie clinic like that since Kiprusoff shitout the Sens 1-0 (and this one today was likely better). The Sens just POUNDED on the Thrashers most the day… totally crazy to witness.
by brisulph on Oct 31, 2009 7:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice to see Jokinen get a shot out of that play. Makes me hopeful he’s going to shoot whenever he gets a chance.
by ngthagg on Oct 31, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed, especially when your team has been attackin’ for a while, its scary because you don’t know how ready your goalie’s is.
by Outz on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iginla getting the Datsyuk / Lidstrom matchup early. Here is real PVP at work tonight, let’s see how our friend Iginla responds.
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw a stat on The Score today
Pretty sure it said Iginla has not scored against Detroit in 17 games. Craziness.
by brisulph on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am continually amazed at how much interference the Wings get away with night in, night out. Good start for us though. Jokinen seems motivated.
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 7:29 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Like everythign to do with the Wings
I assume it must be the work of their smart management.
by brisulph on Oct 31, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kipper run again
isn’t this getting a tad old?
by brisulph on Oct 31, 2009 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can understand no call in the usual situation, when a dman is pushing the forward into Kipper. But it just Kipper and the Detroit player that time.
Sigh . . .
by ngthagg on Oct 31, 2009 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Typical bought off refs when Detroit is playing. Kipper run right over. No cal
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 7:32 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Who is on color commentary?
I DISAGREE with his being on colour commentary.
by brisulph on Oct 31, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
beautiful save… could be risky, but good save nonetheless
by Outz on Oct 31, 2009 7:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jokinen is looking like he wants to score a goal. Good sign.
by ngthagg on Oct 31, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That was "vintage" Jokinen
If that is vintage Jokinen, let’s just throw out this year’s harvest thus far, as they are sour grapes.
by brisulph on Oct 31, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iginla vs. Datsyuk isn’t looking good. And it’s on Iginla, it appears he’s cheating for a the breakout which annoys me to no hell.
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 7:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No look back pass from bertuzzi
Good to see it remains as inaccurate as ever.
by brisulph on Oct 31, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Beauty of a PK
especially the pressure in the Wings zone and the shot block.
by brisulph on Oct 31, 2009 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Detroit’s PP is still very scary when they gain the zone. But Calgary did a nice job on the forecheck to limit that.
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That might be Kipper’s best save all year.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 31, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn our depth guys are getting outplayed tonight. Was I wrong? Are our depth forwards not better than Detroit’s depth forwards?
Not a great period at all.
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 7:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Started off well, then the wings began trapping like hell. We failed to adapt.
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 7:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
outshot 10 to 6 and won 5 of 16 faceoffs, yea. not exactly a great period… as far as i can tell
by Outz on Oct 31, 2009 7:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Out shot 10-1 in the last half of the period. That was beyond weak against this Detroit line up.
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 7:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It looked like Bouwmeester was on the ice for everything so I look at his TOI: 7:21 out of a possible 16:00 at EV. The next closest was Phaneuf with 5:36.
And I saw him on the ice a lot against Datsyuk. Sutter trusts him and the trust is warranted, but damn I wish Iginla wasn’t such a useless tool right now. Stop trying for the long passes and just move the puck with your legs!!!!
Looking at the forward TOI distribution it appears Sutter is mostly rolling 3.66 lines. A bit more time to the top two units but we’re going to see a lot of Sjostrom and Nystrom tonight I think.
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 7:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This team is a joke right now. Just standing around doing nothing.
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 8:11 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Shots 14-7, going into a PP is a bit scary. I’m glad Kipper is keeping up so far.
by ngthagg on Oct 31, 2009 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
am i glad to see bert pull a stunt like that… in the other team.
by Outz on Oct 31, 2009 8:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t decide: this is either not Calgary’s PK or not Detroit’s PP.
by ngthagg on Oct 31, 2009 8:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Either way, it woke our boys up a bit.
by ngthagg on Oct 31, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Helm is very fast, Phaneuf’s no slouch but he didn’t see him and half a step behind turned into two.
But Bouwmeester caught up just like that – nice.
The forwards need to wake the fuck up – this is Detroit not Edmonton. Their forecheck is ferocious, our F’s need to respect that and stay low until the possession is secured.
All fixable things but fuck me if it’s not annoying. It’s not like Calgary’s having trouble gaining the zone, so just put the same goddamn effort and decision-making into clearing the zone!!!
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 8:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and the Detroit D are absolute jerks* on the high boards, their stick obstructions are subtle yet obvious (if that makes sense) and it makes clearing the zone harder. Not that we aren’t already losing battles at the goal line, so we can’t blame everything on them but still.
*jerks was not the first word that came to mind
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 8:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fuck yeah!
This team knows what it’s doing in the neutral and offensive zone.
Now for the other 60 feet of the rink!
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 8:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy balls…..Bourque was amazing there. All him.
-Colin
by Colin S on Oct 31, 2009 8:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice screen by Gio, unfortunately.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 31, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gio has been crap all night. Worst player on the ice.
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 8:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Gio just isn’t getting this whole “block the shot” concept. That’s at least three by him that have gone in that Kipper likely didn’t get a good look at. Like Don says “either block the puck or get outta the way.”
In fact, queue that up for both goals… I think Kronwall (or JBo) was the door vs window on the second. I guess that’s the risk of trying to block a lotta shots.
by LawrenceS on Nov 1, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh. Weak goal against, but given the saves he has made…
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 8:31 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Not surprised. We don’t deserve to be in this game at all. What a lazy effort.
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 8:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Two nice shots. What can you do, they look saveable but Kipper’s facing a lot of rubber.
Getting outshot 2-1 at EV, getting outscored 2-1. Calgary needs a strong final period from Iginla.
Speaking of the bugger, from what I saw he was switched off from the Datsyuk matchup shortly after a horrible shift early in the second. He used to not do that.*
*that’s not actually Iginla btw. He borrowed one of Bourque’s jersey, clearly his #12 jersey was bothering him
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t notice Iggy at all until the last shift of the period when he was out with Langkow and Bourque.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 31, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t notice Jokinen much in the 2nd either… he was playin’ fairly well in the 1st…
by Outz on Oct 31, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just 12. Two-thirds of this team needs to learn they can’t half-ass it and be successful.
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 8:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
very nice shot, Bourque is by far the most dangerous player in our team.
by Outz on Oct 31, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a disgusting shift by Iginla. Pondering the fancy pass, he decides against it and carries the puck into the boards (like we’ve all been asking him to) but gets taken out by Stuart. Stuart!
Shoot me.
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Three Flames players just tore that linesman a new asshole for that blown call.
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 9:11 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Boyd assigned to be the winger on this first line with Jokinen and Iginla. Funny, I would prefer him to be the centre and Jokinen the winger.
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 9:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jesus why can’t Iginla get that puck out? It’s chip and out or hard pass and out.
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 9:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stupid cross-check by Bourque, but it was a diiiive as well. Why isn’t this 4-on-4?
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 9:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because Detroit always has the officials on their side.
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 9:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It’s been ok tonight. A bit of missed interference but that happens.
But that dive was pretty evident and the ref is right there, should be damn obvious that the “whale” (as I call that type of back-arching dive) is just not a possible consequence of a cross-check. They don’t have the balls to call that penalty which is disappointing.
Are you at the game by chance?
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the game, yes. And we can’t skate into the zone without someone getting picked. That is par for the course with Detroit though. They still get the 03-04 rulebook.
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 9:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
All the shot Detroit has been getting away with and they call that?
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 9:24 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
you gotta be kidding, what da fuck is that? holy shit… are they even awake?
by Outz on Oct 31, 2009 9:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s a deserved outcome. Clueless all night.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 31, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, that play sums up how Fing stupid this entire team played tonight. Pathetic.
by Resolute on Oct 31, 2009 9:29 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
The crowd needs to boo Iginla. That was a fucking awful effort from him.
A weak effort in the defensive zone. It’s clear as fucking day that the Flames offense works, they didn’t get the goals but I don’t think they have many problems from the blueline up. But below the blueline the forwards were cheating high all fucking night and that kind of thing drives me insane.
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 9:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think that’s the worst game I’ve seen Iggy play all season, and that’s saying something.
by Subversive on Oct 31, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, what an embarrassing way to end the game.
Iginla looked beyond terrible tonight.
Bourque and Langkow looked great, but pretty much everyone else looked…sloppy.
by Subversive on Oct 31, 2009 9:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was a nice game by the Detroit stars. Zetterberg is what Iginla used to be (tough minute own-zone machine) and Datsyuk made some sublime plays.
The Flames defencemen tonight were all good I think. Certainly I have no complaints with the D-zone coverage, considering they were getting outmanned down low all night.
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 9:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
*no complaints from the D-zone coverage of the defencemen, that is.
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sutter post-game:
“I thought Connie had a good game tonight, but his wingers…”
Just come right the fuck out and SAY IT!!!!!!!!!
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 9:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There we fucking go.
“I didn’t think Jarome and Glennie had good games tonight”
I didn’t notice Glencross but I sure noticed Iginla was fucking brutal.
“We need more from certain individuals”
I.e. Jarome. Please Jarome, get your head out your butt!
And now for a gem from Scott Oake and Kevin Weekes:
“Why are the Flames having a problem adjusting to Brent Sutter’s system?” – Oake
“They’re going from no structure to structure” – Weekes.
That’s just fucking asinine. It’s clear that the Keenan-era coaching staff had systems, breakouts and forecheck and defensive assignments were all in place, any fool could see that and they were effective for the most part. The PP had a structure too, it wasn’t very dynamic nor effective but it had structure.
Weekes’ breakdown of Iginla’s game (from down-low boards play to perimeter play) is bang-on though.
by R O on Oct 31, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn’t fun to watch last night, mainly because a) I thought Calgary certainly could have been the better team if they’d taken their heads out of their collective asses; b) Detroit is missing a bunch of guys and will get tougher; c) Osgood sucks and he wasn’t made to work at all; d) everything which RO has already said, give or take an expletive.
Sutter must look at this team and think “this is the Iggy I came to coach?”. You know Iggy is a lock for the Olympic team, but he absolutely should not be. Even his best games this year are not worthy…2002 was a long time ago.
by maimster on Nov 1, 2009 7:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just watched the game.
It doesn’t show up in the scoring chance count, but I was embarrassed for Jarome. He was awful. He’s not doing anything well right now, not in any zone. He’s slow, he’s bad with the puck, he’s weak on the boards, his decision making is poor. Nothing happens with him on the ice because he kills plays.
by Kent Wilson on Nov 1, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
7M for this year and three more.
I hope the cap limit goes up (cause he aint going to be traded right?)
by shep_ on Nov 1, 2009 1:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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