Flames versus Oilers Gamethread
by Kent Wilson on Oct 24, 2009 6:30 PM PDT
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Edmonton Oilers at Calgary Flames, Oct 24, 2009 7:00 PM PDT
As well as being the third battle of alberta this year, this is game #10 of the season for Calgary, so expect more than the typical analysis once this one is over. That said, it's possible not a lot can be taken from a contest where the opposition is ravaged by the flu and sitting a bunch of their starters (just watch the Flames lose now that I've said that).
Since Jokinen was demoted to the third line (incidentally - that's where he was playing in PHX when the Flames traded for him), the Flames have made some strides in terms of limiting shots and generating scoring chances at ES. Jarome Iginla has looked more like his old self as well, although the shift away from playing him against the big boys may also have something to do with that. If those two trends continue, one wonders just how long the Sutters will be satisfied with paying 5.25M for a third liner. To put it another way, Scott of Copper 'n Blue snuck in this clever little bon mot over at his place when listing Calgary's forwards lines for tonight's contest:
Nystrom - "Lombo makes 1.9M" - Sjostrom
Ouch.
Let's get it on.
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I’d rather we had someone other than either of them.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 6:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The flu thing concerns me. This is a classic trap game for Calgary. Edmonton is going to come out hard, gotta come out harder and give them no momentum.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 6:55 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
“This battle should resemble the Vernon-Fuhr days of old”
- CBC guy
Jeebus I hope only Fuhr shows up tonight.
Vernie was the better goalie, so I’d take that matchup.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 7:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
And a crap call leads to a crap goal. Terrible pk continues to haunt us.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 7:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
No Kent, this is good! We can hope that McG suffers a rib injury or something, and can’t play for the rest of the season.
That, and scoring SH never hurts my feelings.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Kent you still think Bourque cant repeat his work results from last year?
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I think the SH% and SV% won’t be as good. That said, improved PP time and such might just make up for a drop in bounces.
Bourque with a marginal cross-check on that goal to mask the fact that the PK was largely ineffective at puck retrieval and zone clearing.
which was making up for the iffy iggy interference one
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Werent the Oilers looking to trade Robert Nilsson?
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he WAS benched for about a month under macT
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
i think they’re trying to trade cogliano, penner, and smid…. oh…. wait……
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like these retarded zebras have mone on the Oilers. Another embarrassing call
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 7:49 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
if it was actually a highsticking call, then we got away with 2 instead of 4.
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
they were trying to support a highsticking call with video evidence but i didn’t see it….
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing. Flames penalty differential has been bad the last few games, but I don’t know if it’s a real reflection of the team’s play, frankly. The officiating has been…“arbitrary”.
Arbitrary is a nice way to put it. Hopefully the refs re member they
are supposed to be neutral come the second period.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 8:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m ambivalent about that period. Flames didn’t give up too much at ES, but they didn’t create much either. If I was the road team, I’d be satisfied, but at home I’d like to see more.
they did have 5 days off… i thought they looked far less sluggish than i would have expected.
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
No, they don’t look sluggish to me. Just aren’t really executing, especially in the offensive zone. Lots of dumping in, dumping out and little else.
It could certainly be worse though.
no, that’s my point. i EXPECTED them to look sluggish and they don’t.
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Breakout passes have to get a hell of a lot better.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 8:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They look… would unorganized be the right word? I mean they don’t look horrifically bad but at the same time it looks like a lot of them are a bit “off”. Officiating is a joke tonight, phantom non-calls to make up for undeserved actual ones, to make up for etc. etc…. blah.
Well McGrattan certainly does his job well (regardless of the value of said job) McIntyre’s face looked pretty mangled after that fight… of course I’ll note that fort all his yapping about protecting the star players from cheapshots he was nowhere to be found after the Iggy incident.
i gotta ask if anyone’s warmed up to PJ stock yet ? i still love that guy, but i know there were a lot of haters this time last year…. ;)
Iggy giving it to one ref while Sutter talks to the other. Both long conversations.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 8:07 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
He’s out there for Phaneuf. Trying to limit Dion’s icetime, perhaps?
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Mark Lee just said chances are 6-0 Calgary at the 13:42 (time remaining) mark of the 2nd.
Can we compare this later to your count, Kent?
By rights that should be two penalties to edmonton.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 8:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Off-topic: does anyone think Colorado’s success is sustainable? Their SH% looks high, but Anderson’s play is believable.
Anderson’s pretty real, but getting out-shot all the time will catch up with them. I do like seeing Detroit take it on the nose, though.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a chance. They’re getting significantly outchanced at EV(http://gospelofhockey.blogspot.com/2009/10/avalanche-chances-games-1-to-10.html) something like 46-54 which is not the profile of a top tier team.
way to keep your lid on gio
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i think it’s effin’ smart to keep it on. nobody needs a concussion….
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
no way…you should keep it on…if you want to talk it off…its on you…the other dude doesnt have to match.
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what that effectively does is get under the oilers skins and piss off their fans. im not for cheap shots, but if it accomplishes the foregoing…why not.
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He can’t really play, though. At some point hockey still needs to occur, IMO. And that shit just cost the Flames a goal.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
The best news is Johnson won’t be on the PK.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Terrible penalty by Johnson. Gotta control the stick and can’t give them anything late in the period.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 8:46 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Three morons watching the play rather than taking the man in front. Ugh
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 8:49 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
The old “team down by two needs help” holding call. Jokinen needs to be smarter.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 8:51 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Fuck. And the rookie buys the dive.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 8:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
that’s definitely a high stick, yes. but the blood was already effin’ there.
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course, but if you don’t high stick the guy to begin with, you get zero minutes rather than 4, right?
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Ref needs to call the embellishment too. That should have been two minutes each way.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 9:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I can’t decide what’s worse: the refs getting sloppy, or the Flames getting sloppy.
I think it’s the second one, however.
Some plain stupid stick infractions by the Flames to end that period. Great otherwise, but these guys have to start getting their shit under control when it comes to being penalized…especially if the PK is going to continue to suck – that said, the call on Jokinen was really marginal.
He doesn’t look better than Kronwall at this point.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Johnson was decent last time out, but horrible tonight. Pardy deserves to com back in.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 9:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ve calmed down a bit from that late-period shitshow. So here goes.
The officiating has been ok this game, really has been – a few messed-up calls but the flow of the game has been respected.
EXCEPT for the Stortini call. That was late and allll kinds of dangerous.
Through two:
EV shots: 17-13 Calgary (in the 2nd: 9-7 Calgary)
EV Corsi: +2 (in the 2nd : +1 Calgary)
Calgary played better than that suggests though. Solid period.
They’ve just adjusted the EV shots to 19-13, CGY.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
This is messed. Shot summary shows 20-14 EV shots, but Vic’s script says 18-14 with an EV goal for Edmonton.
Hopefully this gets fixed.
They might have it right now . 19-13, and no EV goals for the Oil.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed on Johnson, he seems like a bum.
Boyd, Moss: ++++++
Glencross is having an uncharacteristically awful game, especially given what we’re used to him accomplishing against this opponent. He just can’t seem to do anything right.
Anyhoo, that was a fantastic period all things considered. Time to kill off the last 3+ mins of these penalties and coast home. :)
If the Flames score in the final minute for the 3rd straight BofA, it’ll be into the EN.
Most exciting play in hockey. Works for me.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Dustin Boyd’s a value contract, I’d say.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
The rookie ref wants to make a name for himself tonight.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 9:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
cause i’m sure the sarich high stick was intentional.
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
hey, weekes also said that jokinen got horcoff on the reacharound and i didn’t say a peep.
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
There really are mental images I could do with out. That would be one.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
And these morons watch Boys get cut wide open with no call. Terrible.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 9:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Who is he getting shifts with? I see McGrattan has 1:01 ice time so far, so I assume there’s no real fourth line time.
Double shifting Iginla, and plenty of PK time.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know if I’m watching the same game as Kevin Weekes.
“Oilers on their heels” – I don’t know they look like they’ve had the better scoring chances.
listen. let’s be thankful for kevin weekes. last year we had marc crawford.
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Crawford was less offensive to me… not saying he was good, just he bothered me less.
Weekes strikes me as someone who is watching a different game than everyone else.
i disagree 100%. i would disagree more if it was mathematically possible….
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
was it ? i couldn’t tell cause i had to turn the volume down….
by walkinvisible on Oct 24, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t like how the oilers come into the zone with a head of steam and cut around the net, with the D and one of the O chasing them around the back of the goal, and then they throw the puck back to the D or trailing O who is wide open with no Flame around at all…
Troubling. What is this, U10 soccer (ie:swarm-ball )?
Shutdown defense is being implemented nicely today. But it’s the Oil, it’s not an accomplsihment or anything.
Plus the Oil seem to be mailing it in a bit, must be saving energy for tomororw vs. the Canucks.
I don’t know if the Oil got an EV shot in the last 10 minutes.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 24, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
nothing beats a win over the Oil
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Aside from Jokinen and Iginla being total non-factors again, this is was a pretty complete ame by the Flames. Like I said, it may have something to do with the flu, but I’ll take it.
Jokinen though…man oh man. Boyd is far and away a superior player right now.
A bunch of minuses sprinkled throughout the Flames side of the Corsi ledger.
Through three:
EV shots: 24-17 Flames
EV Corsi: +1 Flames
Oil got at least two 25-cent chances between the penalty parade and the Flames PP goal in the third.
Iginla leading the minus parade and I don’t think he was seeing tough match-ups.
He didn’t impress me at all this evening either.
He had moments. Was getting into the dirty areas more than previous.
by Resolute on Oct 24, 2009 10:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Iginla? Getting into dirty places isn’t the issue with a $7M player. It’s doing something when he gets there.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 24, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
My biggest concern with Iggy’s problems last night were how stumbly and bumbly he looked out there (and it seemed to infect Glencross too). I know there was one sequence where he handled away from one defender on the half boards only to juggle it away to the corner. Another where he seemed to trip over the top of the circle and had to settle to dump it into the corner. It wasn’t a lack of effort, in fact it looked like Iginla was really trying, and that is a problem, because when the really elite players are in their zone they make beating their opposition look effortless.
Also, while Jokinen still looks awful, he does not seem to be bringing down his linemates, last night I would have almost rather seen Moss playing with Conroy and Glencross because I thought he was weighing them down.
Missed the game while camping, and the comments here, the highlights, the game story…none gave a good sense of this game. Looking forward to the post game posting…
Flames were full value for the win, especially considering they were out PP’d 8-3. An excellent effort overall, to my eye. Kent’s wrapup will undoubtably be more useful than this post.
it was terrible on both sides, from where i was sitting (ie: at home)
by walkinvisible on Oct 25, 2009 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
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