Flames Versus Canucks Gamethread
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 5:00 PM PDT
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Vancouver Canucks at Calgary Flames, Oct 16, 2009 6:00 PM PDT
Lots of talk about learning curves lately and how the players are still trying to figure out the new system(s). What's been overlooked is the fact that Brent Sutter and co and probably going through a learning curve of their own. A number of Brent's assumptions have been tested through the first 7 games, with some no doubt passing (Jay Bouwmeester is indeed an excellent defensemen) and others, well...not (Olli Jokinen isn't a "#1 center"). As the players figure out what is expected of them on the ice, Sutter will be figuring out what exactly he has in terms of staff and how best to deploy them.
I was asked during my CBC appearance when Brent Sutter might think of breaking up the Iginla/Jokinen duo. My response was, in short: when it starts costing the team some games. Cue a few losses and the new combinations. I'm not sure what Jokinen with the 'stroms is going to accomplish, nor if Iginla is going to continue to see the heavy lifting now that he's with Conroy (my guess: probably) but this is all part of the experiment - now that he's realized he doesn't have a Zach Parise to lean on in Calgary, Sutter's search to properly workable match-ups begins in earnest. Some of that will involve randomization, no doubt, until something clicks and the pieces fall into place. As the process continues, we can only expect (at best) slight, incremental improvements.
Luckily Vancouver has it's own problems. Down one Sedin and one Salo, the Canucks are skating a raw rookie on the first line and have had to shuffle the defense pairings. Via Yankee Canuck of Nucks Misconduct:
Two chief concerns are the layoff and injuries. It's been five days since they beat Dallas so the rust factor is worrisome. We already know their injury problems and the fact the cavalry (Schneider and Demitra) aren't close to returning. As a result, Vigneault has changed his defensive pairings so Iginla and Conroy will see a healthy dose of Mitchell and Bieksa. Vigneault also mixed up the bottom six, bumping slumping Ryan Johnson alongside the equally slumping Wellwood and Bernier. And he's tapped Michael Grabner, first rounder pick from 2006, to replace Daniel Sedin in his first NHL outing tonight. Grabner should be the fastest player out there for both teams (Grabner's faster than Raymond? Really? - ed.), but what that actually equates to is unknown.
So if there's a positive for Calgary, it's that they're facing an experiment. But an experiment that has to come out like caged wolverines unleashed in a petting zoo. They were passive and weak on the puck in the season opener and it cost them. Tonight has to be different if they want the points.
That sounds nice, but Vancouver has been the better team by a couple of miles by my eye through the first few weeks. It'll take a long fall South by them or a sizable improvement by the Flames (or a little of both) for Calgary to come away with the 2 points this evening.
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Can anyone link me to that handy internet feed? I’m not near a tv but I’d like to watch as much as possible tonight. Thanks.
by Subversive on Oct 16, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Atdhe.net, I believe
And I disagree that the canucks have been better. Luongo has been bad, and their D hasn’t been a lot better. Too many good chances against.
by Resolute on Oct 16, 2009 5:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Vancouver is third in the league in terms of shots on net per game (36) and their shot differential is well in the black (+8.6). Flames are at the other end of the spectrum (23 S/G, -10). Luongo has struggled for sure, but the Canucks have probably been the better team relative to the Flames by a fair margin.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better, sure. But they barely have half the game figured out themselves.
by Resolute on Oct 16, 2009 5:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The Flames haven’t figured out either half yet, unfortunately.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it wrong to feel like my brain is oozing out of my ear when I listen to Doug MacLean? Just wondering…
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 5:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I do have really good earplugs, come to think of it. Thanks for the reminder, Subversive.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leave ’em in for Charlie Simmer. I felt like I was getting dumber by the second listening to his pre-game “assessment”.
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t see it, but some guesses:
1.) Flames have to find a way to keep their feet moving.
2.) ?
3.) Victory!
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kozari is one of the refs… Ugh.
by Resolute on Oct 16, 2009 6:09 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
The first shift doesn’t fill me with much hope. Yuck.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least our stars won’t be run now…or something.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
two fights at the same time?
sweet.
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by BoylenOver on Oct 16, 2009 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t see much of it since they were focused on Prust half the time.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Flames seem almost as pissy as Brent Sutter was this morning. I’m hoping that’s good.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 6:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup, good sign. I’ve been waitin for this from them. Lets hope good things come of this.
by RossCreek on Oct 16, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a lazy play by a Sedin. Maybe we can punish them early?
by ngthagg on Oct 16, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhh…was that Pardy and Regehr on the PP and not Giordano? Is that just because it was the end?
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was out with Sarich for the second half of the PP, Kent.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, figured I missed something there. I was busy inputting some scoring chances.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, great sequence. too bad they didn't score.
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by BoylenOver on Oct 16, 2009 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d love a goal, but I’ll take entertaining hockey any day of the week.
by ngthagg on Oct 16, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, it’s a good start thus far, but that’s been true of almost every game Calgary’s played this season. The trick is to keep it up.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup, luv ’em extra special cuz he left the Oil for the Flames.
by RossCreek on Oct 16, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
great goal.
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by BoylenOver on Oct 16, 2009 6:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hilarious! gotta love the short handed goal
by Jeshko on Oct 16, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to formally announce my Glencross mancrush. Wow.
by ngthagg on Oct 16, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The always excellent Curtis Glencross. Very nice.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 6:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, Im enjoying this game so far. Good stuff.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a good, clean PK. I’m pretty impressed. The boys looked very aware.
by ngthagg on Oct 16, 2009 6:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. That’s some tip. He’s short enough it was OK. Gio was out there the whole two minutes, BTW.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 6:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for this… i’d thought gio looked less than awesome tonight :)
by walkinvisible on Oct 16, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunt he tho
I like Olli as a 4th-line center. He’d be fantastic in that role. This fantasy only works if — among other things — Boyd forces his way up the depth chart.
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too. Jokinen looks far more comfortable this evening.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boyd isn’t scoring, but he’s been on the good end of two Canuck penalties. Good stuff.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s exactly why we track advanced stats. Players can make a difference even if they don’t actually score a goal.
by ngthagg on Oct 16, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s also been about 4 inches from scoring 2 goals. Pucks will start going in for him if he keeps it up. He made the 2nd chance happen out of nothing.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hello all.
http://canuckpuckbunny.blogspot.com
GO CANUCKS GO!
by missy on Oct 16, 2009 6:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Greetings. You can tell a fair opposition fan when they come by to comment when their team is losing.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just do it whenever.
http://canuckpuckbunny.blogspot.com
GO CANUCKS GO!
by missy on Oct 16, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks.
and who knows, maybe the nucks will come back….
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GO CANUCKS GO!
by missy on Oct 16, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then, of course, we all dislike you.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jokinen just about made up for his weak pass there.
by ngthagg on Oct 16, 2009 6:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Love how Vancouver fans louuuuuu the puck hitting the post – twice!
by Resolute on Oct 16, 2009 6:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
some of those fans are just carried away like that.
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GO CANUCKS GO!
by missy on Oct 16, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay Calgary…let’s avoid the implosion, shall we?
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure what the hell Sarich is doing on that play.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Has Olli Jokinen been killing penalties all along, or is this a new deal?
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
New deal. I don’t get it, myself.
There he is giving the puck away at the offensive blueline too. Luckily it was offside.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no goal in the last minute of the period, that’s a good sign
by Jeshko on Oct 16, 2009 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have the Flames ahead on scoring chances, 8-5. Most of the Canucks opps came near the end of the period.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That sounds right. I checked the Corsi with a few minutes to go and it was +3 CGY. I’m sure it was even better early on.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First period:
EV shots: 10-6 Canucks
EV Corsi: Even
Despite the even count I think the Flames dominated. Wish we had zone possession numbers.
Boyd was unreal on the transition.
The PP is really dangerous – reminds me of Detroit’s PP last year. The EV effort isn’t there yet but we’ll see.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 6:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Corsi. even up, EV shots 10-6 Vancouver. Couple of goalposts for Calgary skew that a bit.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 6:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Already updated
EV shots Tied 6-6
Corsi: Flames are 3 (14/-11)
Sometimes the PbP sheet gets revised for clerical errors as they go.
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, the SBN system has a problem with the ‘+’ ?
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I just checked the PBP logs and they have 10 shots EV + PP.
Makes way more sense now.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes more sense.
I submitted the scoring chances query right after the game last time and they messed up the game state in the 2nd and 3rd. Think I’ll wait a few minutes before doing that tonight.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Matt. Corsi now +3 CGY after revisions.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jokinen really is this years bertuzzi. stupid backhand passes putting his teammates in trouble
by shep_ on Oct 16, 2009 6:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup, just 3 times more expensive, give or take. He’s really doesn’t seem aware of what’s happening a lot of the time.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HIs decision making is so poor. He looks better playing against nobodies, however.
I thought the Flames were decent at ES right up until the Canucks starting pushing back at the end. I’m fairly surprised they’re ahead in terms of ES shots on net.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, i felt the flames carried the play for the first 18 minutes. surprised by the 6-10 corsi.
i’m browsing capgeek like crazy trying to find a good match for a jokinen dump (as if)
by shep_ on Oct 16, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had trouble trading him in NHL10 the video game. Even the artificial intelligence didn’t want him.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
impossible. no matter which way you look….
by walkinvisible on Oct 16, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
EV TOI among forwards is pretty even right now, I think Sjorstrom has the most but there were a lot of penalties this period.
Iginla has 6:43 total time (3:24 EV), Jokinen has 7:28 total time (4:01 EV). They’re not getting punished I say, in fact I tink Jokinen got double shifted, I swear I saw him with Iggy and Glencross.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 6:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I’ve added Glencross to my Mirtle invitational fantasy team. About time, I’d say.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Like the first game, that was an excellent period by Calgary. Just have to keep it up now. I think the fact that one Sedin isn’t here and Jokinen isn’t facing the other one is helping.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You’re suggesting Kyle Wellwood isn’t quite as imposing?
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jokinen vs. Tanner Glass and Kyle Wellwood is a match-up I can get behind.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice to the Conroy line get some O-zone possession time, even if they didn’t generate a scoring chance.
by ngthagg on Oct 16, 2009 7:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Prust is a mean SOB.
Why do we have McGrattan again?
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Because Darryl Sutter had half a million bucks burning a hole in his pocket?
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last two matchups:
Langkow unit against the Sedin line.
Iginla unit against the Wellwood line.
One of Sutter or Vigneault is not interested in PVP tonight.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That might be the first time Iginla has looked like Iginla to me.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Vancouver was screwed as soon as Burrows lost his stick. Good screen, and Booby Lou lost his net.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 7:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Lou. Although you can use either one ;-)
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Flames are looking sharp tonight. High energy, and good possession.
by ngthagg on Oct 16, 2009 7:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A bouque(t) by any other name would smell as sweet, would it not?
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So do we keep playing the uptempo style that has put us up 3-0, or do we go into a futile shutdown defense?
by ngthagg on Oct 16, 2009 7:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Langkow line is actually not doing so well (approx 1 EV shot for, 4 EV shots against) but they are being used in a checking role I believe.
4th line is dominating. It damn well better be since Jokinen is on it.
And Boyd cashes in, nice.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe Jokinen is technically on the “3rd line”, but point taken.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did McGrattan almost score?
wait Boyd just notched one. WHOO!
by brisulph on Oct 16, 2009 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good for Boyd. He’s worthy of a goal tonight.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
“Might we see Andrew Raycroft for the third period?”
We can only hope.
by ngthagg on Oct 16, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You know…McGrattan doesn’t look Godard bad which is something I guess.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I rip on the guy as much as anyone, but being as bad as Godard would be a stretch even for McG.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel ill whenever I remember that Godard has a Cup. Ugh.
by ngthagg on Oct 16, 2009 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the brandon prust hattrick: two fights and an assist ?
by shep_ on Oct 16, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is worthy of my acknowledgment… period.
by walkinvisible on Oct 16, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im a bit worried about our 6.68M franchise defenseman not wearing a shield
by shep_ on Oct 16, 2009 7:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy fuck! Brian McGrattan, McSniper. Good by Boyd, again.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m 99% positive Glencross will get Phaneuf’s goal eventually.
Nice goal there by McGrattan, but the credit on the 4-0 goal goes something like 80% Prust, 19% Boyd, 1% McG.
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think so too. Looked like a tip to me.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, maybe McGrattan can actually play hockey?
Boyd looks absolutely dominant.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Sedin spell is broken when one is injured!
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Hank doesn’t want to get out of D’s reach in career points. :P
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
darryl's smile
camera pans over sutter watching the 4-0 with his typical frown and my wife comments that it must be vancouver’s coach :P
by Jeshko on Oct 16, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kipper making some saves
facing some sustained pressure now.
by brisulph on Oct 16, 2009 7:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With the…let me see…Jokinen line on the ice. Huh.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe Glencross didn’t get a penalty there.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Iginla sure has had problems handling the puck early in the year.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Surprised they haven’t pulled 7uongo.
by Resolute on Oct 16, 2009 7:33 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Wild outshooting EDM 20-10 at Rexall, and down 3-1. I’m not sure if there’s any good teams in the NW this year, though the Flames are playing one on TV tonight.
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the Wild are really getting the shaft when it comes to the bounces early this year.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
errr… to be clear, I meant as in playing “like” one, not “against” one, there
Also, 7uongo made me laugh. I need to get out, or read, more.
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was birthed at Calgarypuck after his collapse in the play-offs.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Olli…behind the net is certainly not your office.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That was an astoundingly low percentage pass from behind the net by Jokinen. What an idiot.
by ngthagg on Oct 16, 2009 7:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe bertuzzi gave him his playbook when he left?
by shep_ on Oct 16, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vic Ferrari has a saying: it’s a sign of maturity and unselfishness when a player gets the puck deep at the end of his shift rather than try to beat one more guy at the blue line.
Olli Jokinen is immature and selfish.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 7:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno… I’ve been reading Vic for a long time, and I was pretty sure he only had 3 sayings. The world is round; only a fool could believe otherwise; and BAMBi.
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess “saying” is a bit much. Maybe a philosophy.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
EV shots through 2: 16-13 Vancouver
EV Corsi through 2: +2 Vancouver
BALLS
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 7:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe wait for a bit too see how that shakes out.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corsi’s now +1 Canucks. EV holds at 16-13 Vancouver.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s just say the Flames started playing to the score, allowing the Canucks to go up marginally in terms of outshooting. Feel better?
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they also accumulated a bunch of shots during the two shifts after Giordano lost his edge. Nothing you can do about that.
Anyways, the product on the ice looks quite alright right now, and that’s not entirely because of the score.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On this topic, the Flames do look better but they still have Jokinen and Iginla doing relatively little (5 shots between them, zero points). While the shift in lines has meant they are less of a liability, they’re both still fairly absent at the good end of the rink. Until Calgary’s most expensive two forwards start doing something in the offensive zone, it’s going to be tough to get ahead of anyone in terms of outshooting.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the chances equal that period at 4 apiece.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course…3 of Calgary’s went in…
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope :) nice when you don’t have to depend on it though…
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope the choice of words there is false modesty…
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And lord, yes. if you’re still not sure.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve somehow only ever seen Blazing Saddles once, despite it being in my age range and basically right in my wheelhouse all around. Curses!
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m nearly speechless. Anyway:
Bart: Now, I suppose you’re all wondering just what in the heck you’re doing out here in the middle of a prairie in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night.
Crowd: You bet your ass.
Bart: I’m hip.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just checking in for the first time…had to chuckle at the last line of Kent’s intro (not 20-20 hindsight, I would have written the same thing).
by maimster on Oct 16, 2009 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Haven’t read all the comments, but I’m surprised that VCR is ahead in Corsi. Feels to me like the Flames have had the better of it all night, except for a couple of spurts. Of course that could just be a relative feeling compared to the last few games.
by maimster on Oct 16, 2009 7:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No, I agree. The Canucks had a couple of good chances that period, but not much else.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every Canuck fan in the building is near tears right now.
by Resolute on Oct 16, 2009 7:53 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
"He can do it at both ends"
Not often I talk out loud to Peter Loubardias, but I admit I just mumbled a That’s What She Said there.
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 8:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You should definitely be doing color over Charlie Simmer, clearly.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t actually listen to Simmer, but other than him, the only thing worse than Loubardias’ so called play by play is Millions’ so called interviewing. If he manages to get out a coherent question, he’ll answer it himself before turning over the mic.
All around horrific broadcast team on SNet. I can’t believe they’re getting a second year in this configuration.
by Beeker73 on Oct 16, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loubardias isn’t the best PBP guy but he’s fairly unbiased. That’s really important to me.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy Loubardias, to be honest.
-Colin
by Colin S on Oct 17, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awful start to the period. Flames are in full stand around mode.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know! I was just telling my wife that the other day. Don’t think she was listening, but whatever
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Although, really, anyone would be better than Simmer.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not UN-true, however, we should probably acknowledge the pain of a lot of other fanbases and say that there’s a several-way tie for Worst.
by MattF on Oct 16, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thus it begins. Flames can’t play a full game yet.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
flames need to stop being so lackadaisical in clearing the zone
by Jeshko on Oct 16, 2009 8:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well… I can’t take another 5-0 collapse, so I’m out… Good luck Flames! :-(
by RossCreek on Oct 16, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Youch, nice shot but Kipper really should have put a shoulder on that.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Aside from the odd-man rush, this has been an abysmal performance so far in the third.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand these collapses they go through. They’re just so… total-lic. Is that even an adjective? It fits though.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 8:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s nice that one line knows how to finish out a game.
by ngthagg on Oct 16, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a needless neutral zone turn-over by the Captain. He’s still way off.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
DId it happen just before the 15 seconds or so in the defensive zone?
He moved that puck out like Old Iginla though.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He skated it out and then mishandled it at the red line, resulting in it being dumped back in the Flames zone.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Time to give Boyd some PP time I think. He deserves it.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it late enough in the game for me to relax?
-Colin
by Colin S on Oct 16, 2009 8:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Big time. Dude tripped over the net.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Bieksa tripped over the post.
-Colin
by Colin S on Oct 16, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two gimmes to Vancouver.
The officiating sickens me.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 8:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, the Too Many Men call was legit.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
Rationality goes out the window when I talk about the Canucks.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im with you on the other calls. They were marginal at best.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d call that a bit of a softy too.
Flames sure hate to win by more than 1, dont they?
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What?! You mean we got the win even tho we had a 5-0 lead.
Sick period.
by RossCreek on Oct 16, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, pretty awful. We’ll take the win, but more work is clearly needed.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll give the NHL sometime to edit the gamesheets and such before submitting the scoring chances.
Final score: 14-13 in favor of the Flames.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, they kept the shots under 30 and the Corsi in the minus single digits. Baby steps.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 8:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Good points. And they were leading for the entire game.
…Iginla and Jokinen look fairly lousy still.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boyd should probably have gotten first star. In less than 10 minutes he has 3 scoring chances himself and probably set up moer than I don’t remmeber.
Iginla had 5 shots though, I bet most on the PP.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 8:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup, just reviewed the highlights and he set up McG’s goal too. He accounted for 4 of 14 scoring chances. Seriously.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s been one of the 3-4 best players all year, just snakebit. However, now that he’s on the 4th line again, I worry that he’s just going to stay buried.
by maimster on Oct 16, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I wish he had played on the PP, at some point in the next 3-5 years this team is going to need forwards with offensive talent (plus a clue in the D-zone) and Boyd is the best bet. Plus Jokinen is gone next year (knock on wood) and what better way of seasoning Boyd for a role in diriving offense than to give him some time on the PP?
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not if he continues to do what he’s doing. To get out of the basement, Boyd’s going to have to make a case to be promoted. And that’s what’s happening.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough, I’m still stuck in the Keenan “no accountability” mindset. Sutter seems to be fair with his ice time and assignments.
by maimster on Oct 16, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, there is either something wrong with Iggy or he’s done. Did you see how he went into the corner after the puck in his own end, near the end of the game? Only one of a bunch of bad Iggy highlights this year, but he looked like he had a pole in his ass as he approached the corner. Seriously, it looked like he could barely skate – is it his back? It is jarring to watch.
by maimster on Oct 16, 2009 8:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s where I commented that it looked like he was on vacation.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I see that now…just looked awful, though, didn’t it.
by maimster on Oct 16, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reggie looked better. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s still in late term recovery mode from the injury that ended his season last year. Who knows how it affected his summer.
Of course, I’m a full time Reggie apologist (not quite to the WI/Gio level, but close).
by maimster on Oct 16, 2009 8:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No, Regehr looked better to me too. He had two outstanding defensive plays that I remember, both vintage Regeher : bodying the opposing forward to get position, clearing puck.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m not sure how to take this….. ;)
by walkinvisible on Oct 16, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(but i love being considered a “gio apologist”….. i’m good with that. seriously)
by walkinvisible on Oct 16, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scoring Chances are up.
Jokinen finishes the night -4. From the the third line. Yuck.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 16, 2009 8:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
EV chances that close eh? Looked a bit more lopsided through 2 although you use pretty tight guidleines.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No EV chances with Jokinen on the ice, eh? It’s believable, but I do remember the Glencross-to-Jokinen tip off the post in the first, was that on the PP? (is it the one at 6:07 of the first?)
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so, R O, because I remember them coming right back up ice after a chance against.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, just checked the PBP, Samuelsson with a chance, then the Jokinen tip on the PP.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah! After the Vancouver SH rush where Phaneuf punched the puck up ice, right?
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Just saw the replay of it, in fact.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ve got jokinen on my fantasy team. i’ve benched him for a week or two now.
by walkinvisible on Oct 16, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
EV shots 21-17 Vancouver
EV Corsi +8 Vancouver
That third period was barf-tastic.
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking that the Canucks got urgent and pulled out all the stops to get momentum for tomorrow.
But for the most part this was the Flames best game albeit only 50 minutes of it but this something good work on the powerplay wasn’t the greatest and Iggy still hasn’t found himself.
But can we can’t complain we dominated the Canucks physically and through out 3 1/2 quarters of the game.
Where the Lead is never safe, Ahead or Behind.
by CofRed on Oct 16, 2009 10:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
why is it that i’m showing up at the end of the game to throw my (late) two cents in and nobody’s really given props to brian mcgrattan. listen: i will never LOVE the guy, but let’s give credit where it’s due. that guy DIDNT drop the gloves when goaded to, which led to an assist on the boyd goal: he kept with the play instead of stopping to fight. later: GOAL. wow. i’m totally floored by his achievement. a gordie howe hattrick is nothing to scoff at.
by walkinvisible on Oct 16, 2009 10:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We’re too busy worshipping Boyd. He created 4 scoring chances (maybe 5 even during his Iginla-of-old-like shift) all by himself!
by R O on Oct 16, 2009 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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