Flames Game Day: Reboot
You're like a dull old knife that just ain't cuttin'You're just talkin' a lot and sayin' nothingJust sayin' nothing, and sayin' nothingJames Brown - Talkin' Loud and Sayin' Nothing
I really don't give much play to the specifics of what hockey players or coaches say to the press. Those comments are almost always cut from the big book of vanilla responses that hockey people apparently receive as toddlers. Deflection is the goal more often than illumination, and so it's mostly been these last few days in Flames-land, at least from the players. Tonight, the Canucks visit for the second time in 15 days, sans a Sedin and Salo, but likely better prepared than in the opener, so those words will get a test of their validity.
The lines have been adjusted. Conroy and Glencross are Jarome Iginla's new mates, in an effort to fix what's been ailing the Flames' captain. Since the acquisition of Jokinen last March, Iginla's play has taken a fall so dramatic that the press has noticed, but that strikes me as a lagging indicator. Iginla's drop-off as a two-way force became pretty obvious last year before Jokinen's arrival. There have been some comparisons to Jarmoe a la 05/06, but that guy was still a volume shooter and solid citizen in his own end, and the current iteration isn't. I suppose if nothing else, Conroy is certainly deferential to Iginla on offence, so we can see if it's simply a style mismatch with Joker that's been holding Iginla back, or if something more insidious is at play.
The second line got, to use Brent Sutter's term, a chance to distance themselves a bit on Tuesday. Dawes-Langkow-Bourque are back together this evening, with the Flames in need of their production, and hopefully a better +/- night to follow. The trio were -16 collectively in losses to Chicago and Dallas, and that sort of play hasn't been part of any of their historical makeups. They haven't been great, but I still suspect the bounces are mostly at play and it shouldn't last. After all, Langkow carried Sparklepants around for a good chunk of last year and posted better results.
The new "third" line features Jokinen between the Stroms. I guess getting Joker better match-ups is nice and all, but if this is his true level, trading Lombardi, a first and about 3.4 million in cap space for a guy that needs third-line opposition to succeed seems like a hell of a waste. I suppose we'll now get to see if two pluggers are what the Finn needs to spark him, but it doesn't seem like a long-term solution. In regards to Jokinen generally, I'm largely in concurrence with this from Matt Fenwick, sad to say.
The fourth line is still Prust-Boyd-McGrattan. They'll play 5 minutes at EV. Boyd will get some PK time. Blah. This team could use David Moss back in a big way, but his injury lingers, and the team has done a bang-up job of protecting the information. Darryl Sutter could teach CSIS a few things, IMO.
The back line has also undergone a make-over, with only the Regher-Phaneuf pair intact. They look as well-matched as Iginla-Jokinen to my eye, but they endure. Bouwmeester gets Cory Sarich as a running buddy for the night, and Giordano joins Adam Pardy. Puck-movers with , uh, non-puck-movers, I suppose. I don't hate it.
Miikka Kiprusoff will likely start again. He deserves a bit more than what the team has given him to this point, and if they ever move anybody from the front of the net, he'd likely appreciate it.
The Canucks have rebounded from their 0-3 start with two wins, the last being a 4-3 win over Dallas on Sunday. Since then, they've been trying to arrange line mates for the standing Sedin and Burrows, with Steve Bernier receiving a chance the other night, and Michael Grabner possibly getting a look this evening. As for the other recent Vancouver injury, I like this description enough to post it again:
Oh yeah, a stiff breeze blew in off the Pacific and Sami Salo (knee) is hurt again as well.
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Roberto Luongo is the likely opposition in net. He's sporting a .879 SV%. Enjoy it while it lasts, people.
To the game itself, the shake-up in who plays with whom is a part of Sutter trying to find some groups he can trust, because right now, he's got roughly none, other than the PP. A win would be nice, but at some point it seems that getting more shots than the other team might be a good plan, no? The current state of play won't sustain many more victories, and judging by B. Sutter's snippy response to questions this morning, the line juggling is part of his attempt to get things turned. The Canuck PP is also in good form, but their PK still looks off, so that is likely the place for the Flames to get an edge. I did notice Shane O'Brien has a minor in 4 of the first 5 games. Not saying the Flames can/should target him or anything, just pointing it out, you know, as a piece of information ;-)
Line-ups:
Calgary:
Glencross-Conroy-Iginla
Dawes-Langkow-Bourque
Sjostrom-Jokinen-Nystrom
Prust-Boyd-McGrattan
Regher-Phaneuf
Bouwmeester-Sarich
Giordano-Pardy
Vancouver:
Burrows-Sedin-Grabner
Samuelsson-Kesler-Raymond
Bernier-Wellwood-Johnson,
Hordichuk-Rypien-Glass.
Mitchell-Bieksa
Edler-Rome
O'Brien-Ehrhoff
Game time is 7 PM MT, with coverage on Sportsnet West.
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Grabner and Burrows on the top line, eh? That line could be exploited. The first line was the worst for Vancouver against Dallas.
Thank the lawd Sutter put two responsible players up on the first line.
I really don’t think there is a “ranking” to the lines anymore. I’m not one of those folk who are going to designate a line the “top” line by sole virtue of the fact that Jarome Iginla is on it. Frankly if I were to rank them I’d probably say that Dawes – Langkow – Bourque is the “first” line since it’s got the best spread of scoring talent on it. I see it as Sutter spreading the talent around to make it harder to defend against. I imagine Nystrom is just a stopgap until Moss is ready to go and that he’ll line up to the right-side of Jokinen when he’s healthy.
Regardless, this is a game the Flames by all rights should win. At home, with the opposition minus a Salo and 1 Sedin, and Luongo off to a rough start is about as ideal a condition as you’re going to get against that club.
Sutter has been using Iginla against the other team’s best, and has assigned his unit the most defensive zone starts. This suggests either checking role or PVP.
Since Iginla’s history is “scorer” and he gets a ton of first-unit PP time, that implies PVP. Since I’m too lazy to say PVP all the time, I just call them the “first line” – that’s what they are.
being at home, i would guess the first line will be designated by whomever goes against sedin…. although (in saying that), it’s debatable that the sedin line is actually their first line. this will absolutely be a fun game to watch.
by walkinvisible on Oct 16, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Sedin is their best player and now that I think about it I doubt that Grabner will be playing alongside him all game. A line of, say, Burrows-Sedin-Samuelsson, while not as potent as *-Sedin-Sedin, is still probably going to be their best EV theat.
That said, whichever unit Grabner goes to is probably going to be exploitable. It’s too damn bad we are dressing McGratton tonight as he is an equally exploitable weakness.
Brian McGrattan’s a helluva lot worse than Grabner, R O. Grabner could likely play 7-8 minutes a night on a team’s fourth line and not look out of place. McG can’t even cover that sort of bet.
I think Vigneault figures Hank is good enough to carry a guy who’s a little lacking, plus I’d guess he wants to balance his offence by not putting Samuelsson, Sedin and Burrows on one line. Kesler’s good, but he still needs someone to work with, at least to start. If Vancouver gets behind, well, their lines will get the blender as well.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Good catch. McG is a whole lot of awful and that’s his established level of ability.
That said I think the Canucks 4th line is truly awful and if Grabner doesn’t look out of place on it, that’s still probably good news for the Flames.
Crossing my fingers for this one.
i figure mcG will get subbed out regularly and forsee a guy like nystrom or glenX (or whomever seems to be “going”) getting doubleshifted into that spot. i don’t imagine capable players like boyd and prust will get 4 mins or whatnot because mcG can’t play more than 6 shifts.
by walkinvisible on Oct 16, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
i don’t imagine capable players like boyd and prust will get 4 mins or whatnot because mcG can’t play more than 6 shifts.
McG vs. CBJ 5:19, vs. CHI 5:18
Prust vs. CBJ 5:25, vs. CHI 5:16
Boyd vs CBJ 10:11 (8:40 EV), vs. CHI 9:09 (6:07 EV)
I like your idea, wi, but Sutter hasn’t gotten there yet, at least not with Prust.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
“i like the way you think” would have been fine. ach, well… i presume there’s a reason i’m not an NHL coach.
by walkinvisible on Oct 16, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I realize the above seems like semantics, but there is a point. Dawes-Langkow-Bourque might be adequate for tough comp but this team will be much better off if Iginla-center-leftwing can reliably fill the PVP role (because Iginla is historically much better at it).
personally, i’d LOVE to see the iggy line stay the tough comp PVP and watch the langkow/bourque line take advantage on the 2nd shift.
by walkinvisible on Oct 16, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Alain Vignault the worlds best motivator or something? I tell you, a couple of injuries and the Ugly Nucklings look like a Manitoba Moose lineup – and they still worry me. Granted, the are in the shallow end of the NHL gene pool, right now and not getting much help from Boo-Lou, but neither of those things are likely to last long. It’d be great if we could get our 6 multi, multi, multi-millionares to skate like Vignault seems to be able to convince his 10 third/fourth-liners to do.
The new “third” line features Jokinen between the Stroms. I guess getting Joker better match-ups is nice and all, but if this is his true level, trading Lombardi, a first and about 3.4 million in cap space for a guy that needs third-line opposition to succeed seems like a hell of a waste. I suppose we’ll now get to see if two pluggers are what the Finn needs to spark him, but it doesn’t seem like a long-term solution. In regards to Jokinen generally, I’m largely in concurrence with this from Matt Fenwick, sad to say.
This really pisses me off, by the way. Lombardi was an affordable, responsible centre who could drive possession in a limited role. And a personal favorite too. Jokinen is a bag of magic beans.
Jokinen is a bag of magic beans.
You familiar with the Politician’s Syllogism from Yes, Prime Minister, R O?
Step One: We must do something. Step Two: This is something. Step Three: Therefore we must do this. Logically, this akin to other equally famous syllogisms, such as: Step One: All dogs have four legs. Step Two: My cat has four legs. Step Three: Therefore my dog is a cat.
That’s about the level D. Sutter was operating on when he decided that Jokinen was the guy. He thought he needed a “first line” center. Olli Jokinen is paid like one…etc.
by Robert Cleave on Oct 16, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Related: Lombardi looked excellent in the portion of the Coyotes game I saw last night. He pretty much created the tying goal by himself.
Sigh.
As much as I think Jokinen seriously doesn’t appear to answer any needs, Lombardi was not our man at his price either. I sometimes remember him fondly as well, but ultimately he was a guy who was all show and very little go. the Flames needed a change from Lombo, just that change maybe shouldn’t have been Jokinen.
I have memories of Lombardi, they mainly consist of him using his really impressive speed to blaze a path to the opposition net… and then shooting it straight into his chest. Feet of lightning, hands of stone that one had.
…or endlessly stopping hard, cutting back and fully negating his scoring chance, just as he was about to leave the defender drowning in his roster-tail wake. A good source of frustration Lombo was… he just frustrated me for 4million/year less than Jokinen does now.
that seems an accurate description of lombo, yes. and i’d ALWAYS maintained that if there were someone with hands AND wheels (like uhhhh, say…. scottie upshall) alongside him, that they would be an awful menace. i would also suggest that freddie sjöström is a virtual clone of lombardi, and i would finally postulate that boyd would look amazing on another team as well.
by walkinvisible on Oct 16, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions

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