G6 Flames @ Blackhawks: Post-Turkey
by R O on Oct 12, 2009 10:09 PM PDT
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Scoring Chances
(These are f'ing awesome, thanks Kent!)
Thanksgiving weekend gave Flames fans another kick in the nuts. Friday: Calgary loses. Saturday: Edmonton wins. Sunday: Vancouver wins. And tonight: Calgary lays its worst egg against a team who showed their guests how hockey is supposed to be played. I feel sorry for anybody who ordered this game on PPV - you deserve better.
At least we have turkey. As in, the Flames' zone pressure and territorial play. Yuk yuk.
Breakdowns by period:
1st
EV shots: 15-9 Chicago
EV Corsi: +11 Chicago
2nd
EV shots: 8-3 Chicago
EV Corsi: +11 Chicago
3rd
EV shots: 7-3 Chicago
EV Corsi: +10 Chicago
OT
EV shots: 1-0 Chicago
EV Corsi: +1 Chicago
Overall
EV shots: 31-15 Chicago
EV Corsi: +33 Chicago
Breakdowns before and after 5-0
Before:
EV shots: 7-5 Calgary
EV Corsi: +1 Calgary
After:
EV shots: 26-8 Chicago
EV Corsi: +34 Chicago
This was another game that I didn't get to catch much of, so I'm going to have to piece things together based on the play-by-play. No matter, the game logs paint a pretty clear picture. And it's no Mona Lisa.
No matter how you break it down, the Flames were not good enough. The play was nearly even before 5-0 - a lot of good luck goes into having three straight shots go in. Still, playing arguably the top team out of the gate to even is a nice feat, and surely the Calgary fans were hopeful, nay, certain that 5 goals in 5 minutes and a very slight edge in play meant the beginnings of a re-commitment to the even strength Juggernaut that was the 08/09 Flames.
Whoever you suckers were, you were sadly mistaken. Going -34 Corsi through less than 50 minutes? Giving up six unanswered goals and surrendering a much-needed point? Pathetic. I caught maybe the last 5 minutes of the game on the radio and the words "into the Calgary zone" were enthusiastically uttered by Peter Maher so often I thought maybe the Flames forgot which end of the ice they were going for.
Notables from this game were few and far between (especially since I didn't catch much of the game) but kudos to oft-criticized Boyd for his first goal of the season. A much deserved goal for someone who represents the face of the Flames' future offence. And I'd also like to kick the first line in the balls. Obviously tonight they were not the only culprits but they need to lead by example. And by "they", I mean Jarmoe - he needs to lead by example. Man the fuck up!
Now, let's talk about what has been, in my opinion, a horrid start to the season. Ignore the results, couldn't give a fuck about the 9 points. We've had one game I thought was good (second game against EDM) and it wasn't the flavor of "dominant" like we tasted in some notable 08/09 efforts (first game in January 2009 against San Jose springs to mind). We've also had a couple of dominant periods (first vs. Vancouver, second vs. Montreal) and shorter stretches of good play (first 10 minutes of tonight maybe?). But the body of work as a whole is not good.
A big part of the problem is the first line (Lord, they are bleeding at EV). Jokinen's history is not one of difference making but Jarome's is, so you have to think (hope?) that there is a rebound on the horizon. More troublesome is the post-lead clear-and-retreat strategy. The Flames aren't good at it (they are bleeding worse than they would if it were tied) and it's a losing strategy in general (what's a better way of not getting scored on, spending time in your zone or your opponent's zone? right?).
So I'm going to speculate up a bombshell here. Is there a coaching problem in Flames land? My personal opinion, with no shred of evidence, is a convincing "maybe?". On a macro level, I loved whatever it was the coaching staff last year was doing (4th best Corsi in the league? Territorial dominance in the top 5 of the league? Check please!) but the little details (the micro) is what pissed me off (Bertuzzi, Jokinen favoritism etc.). This year it's the reverse: the macro blows even though these little micro details (accountability!) are great.
This is all bullshitting 6 games in, we really don't have a good handle on the teams yet but the arrows are pointing southward. What is it that we're missing? Personally, I think (again without evidence) that we might missing Playfair - I seem to recall we had problems of a similar nature last year until the infamous post-San Jose turnaround, in which I believe Playfair played a big part in terms of systems play.
Or maybe we just need to be more patient.
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I’ll probably be in the minority here as all the ranting and raving will follow my post … but I believe that this is the BEST thing that could have happened to the Flames this early in the season. It’s no secret that their record is a lot of fluff – this will force the team to ask themselves some hard questions, some minor changes(?) will be made. Pretty much the entire list of Calgary’s shortcomings were exposed during this game. And to think that the Flames actually left Chicago with a point, lol.
*A cruel irony that during the live stream on adthe.net … it blacked out during some tense action – but then reappeared showing the live game from the Oilers crushing the Preds with the score showing 6-0. Geez, if the picture & sound are going to disappear … at least disappear during Darryl Sutter’s predictable arrogance while being interviewed between periods by Charlie Simmer and Bill Gates …
by Calgarian in SJ on Oct 13, 2009 1:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha! This post is not suitable for some ages…
Aside from what looks like a further decline from Jarome Iginla, I don’t think I’m going to sweat what I’m seeing in the first 10-20 games from this team too much. Clearly there hasn’t been much head way made by the new bosses and everyone is still trying to figure things out. Hell, the team was basically like this last year until San Jose handed them their asses.
Hell, the sky high shooting percentage has won the club a bunch of points they didn’t earn. It served as a smoke screen, sure, but those are probably going to valuable at some point so at least something’s going “right”.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 13, 2009 5:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The team lacks an identity
Calgary used to be the hardest working team-remember how they always clawed back in every series to meet Tampa in the final? Calgary may have won the cup if it wasn’t for a penalty call by Kerry Fraser with a minute left and the goalie pulled-they were clawing back. It never used to be easy to play against Calgary. That was the character they showed-especially Iginla-he’d score, backcheck, and fight if needed-he’d motivate the team. Now you put him on a line that doesn’t click and the character wanes.
For god sakes shake these lines up-get Langkow, Borque, and Iginla together. If not make a trade and get a line happening. Jokinen will benefit from linemates that click too. He can score in bunches if the right combination is used. Moss coming back will help. Oh, and how about a legitimate back-up goalie? I wouldn’t have hung Kirpusoff out to dry during Chicago’s comeback-slow the play down-change the goalie-take some momentum away-try at least.
I hope Calgary shows better in Columbus, they did get a bittersweet point in Chicago-but everyone is ridiculing them. Not exactly a confidence builder. I’d shake the lines up like a Boston Terrier on a chew toy-I’d bring in a whole line from Abbottsford and see if some veterans clear waivers-might as well save some money and see an entertaining game with players that are eager and hungry enough to be the like the old Hard-working Flames that always clawed back.
by budgie d on Oct 13, 2009 7:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
2004 was a long time ago. “hard working” hasn’t been an accurate description of this team since midway through the 2005-06 season.
The frustrating part of last nights game was how many goals Chicago scored because Flames defenders were standing around. I counted five of them. We simply made it far to easy for Chicago to score, and were quite fortunate to escape with a charity losers point.
Predictably, everyone is talking about lessons, and learning that you can’t let off the gas. Same empty words from a bunch of idiot players who should have learned that lesson in game 1, when the exact same thing happened. But for Kipper, we should have lost that game as well.
The silver lining here is that I doubt Brent Sutter will tolerate watching players quit like that for long.
by Resolute on Oct 13, 2009 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, I remember so many times during last season where after the Flames stunk the joint out (way too often for my liking), they would say the same thing: “Oh we know we were bad, we just have to build on this experience and play better next time”. They seem to know what they are doing wrong and what they need to do to fix it, yet they never actually seem to DO it. Prime example last night. And I would have thought after that shit last year against the Hawks in the playoffs that the Flames would have come out mad and ready to fight for the win, but obviously I would have been dead wrong.
by Icedragon on Oct 13, 2009 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully this are different now...
…it took the Devils about 15 games to “gel” under Brent Sutter. If that’s the case with the Flames, we only have nine more to go!
Censorship of anything, at any time, in any place, on whatever pretense, has always been and will always be the last resort of the boob and the bigot.
—Eugene O’Neill
by 14theofleury on Oct 13, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“but everyone is ridiculing them”
Good, they deserve to be ridiculed. Maybe a little ridicule is what’s needed to give this team a kick in the ass that’s sorely needed. Oh well at least we’ll have a fresh team tonight in Columbas after all they seemingly took 75% of last night off. Blah. I hate seeing this “build up an early lead and then eff the dog for the rest of the night” trend.
by Parallex on Oct 13, 2009 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I don’t understand from this team is why it’s so damn hard for them to play a full 3 periods of good hockey. I look around the league and I don’t see other teams with the same “oh we have the lead, lets stop playing now!” mentality as the Flames do. They’ve been doing this same thing the last 2 seasons and things are certainly not looking better for them so far. They have a great team by potential, but who’s to say why none of those players ever actually seem to use that potential for a full game? Is it chemistry? I don’t see other teams with a chemistry problem on their entire team. Giving up a 5 goal lead is unacceptable, I don’t care how well the other team plays, if you have a 5 goal lead you should never ever give it up. When Edmonton was up 6-1 last night, did they pack it in and say “oh we’ve won already, lets stop playing”? No, they kept playing. Why? Because its what professional atheletes are paid to do. Someone should probably give that memo to the Flames, because they seem to be in need of constant reminder of it. And take that Dallas game for example. This is a Flames team that should, note I say SHOULD, have been able to manhandle a sub-par Stars team. But they didn’t, again because they don’t seem to know what the concept of playing their game for more than 5 minutes means. Bringing in Brent Sutter obviously didn’t make a difference, they need to find something else to motivate this team. Maybe they could say “Ok guys, you aren’t getting paid until you actually play like you’re supposed to”. I know they can’t but it would sure be nice.
by Icedragon on Oct 13, 2009 7:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There are well-documented playing-to-score effects, so letting up the gas after the lead is not just a Flames phenomenon.
The Flames are just really really really bad at it. And the strategy does not seem to be helpful anyway, so to me, 30 teams are “doing it wrong”.
by R O on Oct 13, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True...
But, you would think after Chicago scored even 2 goals that the Flames would stop letting up the gas and start pressing again. Chicago has embarassed them enough times, why not run try and run up the score to embarass them too? Instead the Flames just kept sitting back and allowed Chicago to end up tying it.
by Icedragon on Oct 13, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and on a side note…why do the Flames seem to always like giving up OT goals within the first 30 seconds of OT? Puzzling…
by Icedragon on Oct 13, 2009 8:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A big part of the problem is the first line (Lord, they are bleeding at EV).
I see this as a constant problem myself. I was even chastised for bringing up in a comment section once! The first line is terrible on the ice, 90% of the time! It’s horrendous to watch.
More horrendous though, was perhaps Calgary’s slump after Chicago scored a goal. It was like the fire had burned out. Unbelievable. One more game like this and I’m switching to become a Flyer’s fan… (Closet East Coast favourite of mine)
by jessnbrown on Oct 13, 2009 8:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to back all you said
They really need to right this ship now, using this game as a sign things are not good.
by brisulph on Oct 13, 2009 9:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree
on better suck now then sucking later in the season, very lucky of them getting points on most of theses games. Maybe, just maybe it would be better for them to lose, if they had lost 4 in a row to start the season, at least they ‘KNOW’ when they play like they did, they won’t get a point. Its better to lose and try fixing the team then “oh, even tho we play shitty, we could still escape with a point, we must be doing something right”…. (at least that’s the impression they are givin’ me)
HA! Wake the F*** up!
by Outz on Oct 13, 2009 9:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Goaltending
Man, waking up to the day after that game is frustrating. Like, seriously, why care so much about a stupid fucking team. You have to be a sadist to like the Flames.
1. I don’t think we’ll see McL tonight, and I don’t think we should. We’ve gotta get the defensive unit back out there as quick as possible with Kipper to get over that loss. If, it can be done.
2. Fuck, I hate cheering for this team, and this goalie. Let’s just get it out there. Through the first four games, if you didn’t have Kipper on you’re list of one of the top 5 Flames, and likely the best of the big money earners, I would call you crazy. He steals the first two games, plays well against Mtl and shuts the door on Edmonton, in OT and the shootout. Breakdowns, didn’t help him and he let in a softy against Plekanic, and the Brule bullet, was a debatelable one. Other than that…solid. .910 sv%
Then last night hits. Totally abandoned again, run over with only one call 6 or 7 times, and doesn’t play the best game. He let in a very Khabby-esque deflection and the OT one that he obviously didn’t see (see the pic.), thanks to a perfect Gio screen, he was too deep on and didn’t try hard enough to get a solid look at. Note Kipper: when you can’t see the puck on a shot from the circle…you don’t back in to give the player more net to shoot at….you move out to block as much as possible.
Anyway, take a gander at today’s stats. Maybe Phaneuf should look to, cause he could read the fucking paper i the time that he stands around watching Kipper make three saves and than have Bolland dig it out from under his pads and tuck it home! Fuck you Phaneuf you SUCK.
So, . 896. Sound familiar? Just like last year. And two months from now… anyone going to remember that Kipper was one of the best Flames until this game, I doubt it. Now he has a hole to dig himself out of again, because he plays on a team of fucking over-paid quitters. This is your problem DARRYL SUTTER. You have hired a team of gutless, fucking cry baby quitters, who don’t stand up for the goalie, when he is being run, who don’t clear the front of the net, and instead stand around, and who assume the missionary position against the better teams in the league. And then the goals against pile up.
Rant over. I hate this team sometimes.
by LawrenceS on Oct 13, 2009 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I definitely feel the same way much of the time, especially after seeing the outcome of a game last night.
by Icedragon on Oct 13, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad I’m not the only one. This is what I was trying to get to with the post about last year’s ‘7 games that ruined Kipper’s season’ ….well, here is game 1 for this year. Even in last night’s game Kipper was the better goaltender. He has been the better keeper by a long shot every game thus far execpt 1. He killed Luongo, beat Khabby twice (he was dead even with khabby in the second game, but beat him in the shootout), was better than Halak and was much better than Huet and Neimi. Yet, by his stats, he is back to sieve levels again, and when statistical amnesia sets in, we’ll all cry “look how shitty Kipper is, look at his sv%”
Well, when we have a team that quits like the Flames, we set up a situation where Kipper has to play about 6 solid – excellent games, just to balance out one disaster act like last night. +34 corsi with 15-1 blocked shots. We’re lucky it wasn’t 8-5 or….. 6-1 again.
This is not a team of fast learners.
by LawrenceS on Oct 13, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The saddest part of the Hawks being allowed to bump and run Kipper over and over and over again is the knowledge that if Calgary did ANYTHING to respond, Steve Kozari was right there, itching to call the Flames. Damned if they do, and damned if they don’t.
by Resolute on Oct 13, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No rant here. Just one word to describe my feeling re last night's game:
disaster.
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
by KingJafi on Oct 13, 2009 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On an even more frustrating note, the biggest comeback in Blackhawks HISTORY! That’s Original 6 and all. You never want to be on the other end of that stat. Should the victim of that comeback be someone like the SF Seals, Cleveland Barons, or Atlanta Thrashers. Geez.
Spreading that Calgary Flames, Montreal Expos, The U, and Orlando Magic love.
by KingJafi on Oct 13, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sutter:
“It was a HUGE lack of mental toughness within the group, it just says more and more about how much work needs to be done with this group. It’s just not about structure or anything like that, it’s about stuff between their ears. blah blah blah…the adversity thing is what concerns me with this group and that comes down to mental toughness….blah blah blah… it’s a group that needs to learn how to win.”
Yeah…. no shit. Now, go kick some asses in there.
Honestly, no disrespect to Nystrom, but when he is you best overall player 6 games in, it’s a joke. Funny how that showed in the playoffs last year as well.
by LawrenceS on Oct 13, 2009 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Its usually the same excuses coming out of the locker room. They supposedly know what needs to be done, so where is the effort to do it, especially on a consistent basis?
by Icedragon on Oct 13, 2009 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway, take a gander at today’s stats. Maybe Phaneuf should look to, cause he could read the fucking paper i the time that he stands around watching Kipper make three saves and than have Bolland dig it out from under his pads and tuck it home!
this venomous tidbit is awesomely hilarious in that “please get someone to stop him from doing that EVER AGAIN” sort of head-shaking way…..
by walkinvisible on Oct 13, 2009 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and i mean stop dion from being useless in the crease, not stop lawrenceS from ranting…..
by walkinvisible on Oct 13, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody could stop me from ranting on this team. Ranting about the Flames is one of the things that gets me through my day.
by LawrenceS on Oct 13, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
today must be AWESOME for you, then. ;)
by walkinvisible on Oct 13, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawks win!
I am a Hawks fan here as you can see from my name. I am not suprised on the comback, I am suprised on how we played in the first period, being at the game, I waited because I smelled a comeback, I also new that the players that your Flames have are old and can not skate a full game with the Hawks. From as long as I new the Sutters and the Keenins always loved old vets, but what they don’t understand the game has changed and you need to rebuild. younger = faster. Hawks will always have your #. Flames will not last long as you will see their age show. And the # one important thing you did not address is your Goalie sitution. Who is backing up father time ( kippy) GO HAWKS!!!!!!!
by redtribe14 on Oct 13, 2009 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone is critical of goaltending, and we, on this blog certainly are, but a hawks fan dumping on our goaltending after last nights game is truly hilarious.
by LawrenceS on Oct 13, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
goal tending dumping
you better believe it. do me a favor. how dipressed are you as a Flame fan since the Hawks have had flamers # for a while now. I will Give you this much kippy is the only reason why your team did get a point. Since those over paid bunch of sissy cant seem to keep up with the hawks. WE WERE DOWN FIVE FREAKIN GOALS and came back like a title wave that all of the canada could not stop. You guys bagged it in after the second goal we scored. So don’t sit there and tell me that im truly hilarious. What is truly hilarious is that you guys have 9 points, with a team that has no back bone.
by redtribe14 on Oct 13, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i, for one, agree that it is indeed truly hilarious that this team has 9 points the way they are playing…. i don’t need some yappy hawks fan to tell me THAT.
by walkinvisible on Oct 13, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…. what exactly is a “title wave” LOL???
Nothing more “hilarious” than a troll who cannot spell.
by Calgarian in SJ on Oct 13, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You took the words out of my mouth. Redtribe, maybe instead of spending time trolling, you should go back to school and learn your grammar/spelling. Also, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the game last night was lost by the Flames more than it was won by the Hawks. In other words, it had more to do with the Flames stinking the joint out than it did with the Hawks playing well. I find it funny how hypocritical people like you are. You sit there and rant about how the Flames sucked because they let Chicago back into it, but the fact Chicago let Calgary score 5 goals just shows that they aren’t as great as you think they are. Sure you could say Chicago was sucking for the first part of the game and then started playing their game, but it can also be said that the Flames sucked the rest of the game because they stopped playing theirs.
by Icedragon on Oct 13, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I often wander into opposing teams blogs and leave run on sentences as well. Much more infuriating than just a regular old “CALGARY SUCKS”, to be sure.
My biggest problem last night was actually the appearance of a lack of effort after the five goals. Yeah, it’s great to be up five goals.. but why let up on the opposition? There’s still a good 45 minutes of hockey left. Tonight will be a different story, and given Calgary’s recent “success” on the back to backs, I wouldn’t expect a big comeback from them tonight.
by jessnbrown on Oct 13, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not only that...
But Columbus is another team that has had the Flames #, especially in Columbus.
by Icedragon on Oct 13, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. I under appreciated how mad people would be about the implosion.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 13, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hell hath no fury like a Flames fan (who saw 6 GA) scored
What a truly bizarre game. I ordered it on PPV, and the game cut off from 16:00 left in the first to 00:30 left in the first. When it finally came back on, it was 5-1. I jumped online, and I was blown away when I saw what we’d done over those 15:30 I missed. Then I watched the final 40 min with a mixture of shock and panic, as we somehow squandered that lead. Like the Hawktroll said, I too had a sense that the Hawks were on the warpath and ready to catch up. Sjostrom and Nystrom were the best two players on the ice, in my opinion, and when that’s the case, you know the team’s having problems. The worst came when Phaneuf was caught flat footed and watching as Bolland gets 5 cracks at the puck and somehow gets a hold of it to stuff it in from BEHIND the next .
I don’t know who to blame, because I don’t think it can be put solely on any ONE player or any of the coaches. Kipper, Iggy, Phaneuf and Regehr are all part of the problem. They’re also, what, 60% of the team’s salary?
by Biebs on Oct 13, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
making the point
You see, i can’t stand when I try to make a point, then some dumb ass fan has no comment to make about his failure of a team, so he picks on spelling. But I guess thats tipical for a dumb ass. Calgarian SJ spell check this comment.
by redtribe14 on Oct 13, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Then stop trying to make a point, because you fail miserably at it.
by Icedragon on Oct 13, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, I’m all for back-and-forth because it’s fun as hell…until it get’s nasty. Cut it out folks.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 13, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fail miserably??
are you talkin about your season,LOLOLOLOL tipcial candian dumb asses.
by redtribe14 on Oct 13, 2009 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s the end of you, my friend. Take your childishness elsewhere.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 13, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if you’re aware how many “tipcial candian dumb asses” play on Chicago? Keep laughing.
by Icedragon on Oct 13, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rolls eyes
Anyways, take a picture of the Hawks last night, and throw Hossa in the mix in a couple months. Niemi is a fine goaltender, apparently, and solidly earned his win last night. I see cup contender written all over the Hawks team.
Hawks next year, however, are going to be a VERY interesting team. I see some insanely front loaded contracts that stretch 20 years for Kane and Toews, and probably Keith as well. How else are they going to retain these players? Campbell’s salary isn’t going anywhere.
Also, Kane’s “EA NHL” curse is going well so far. Killed Dion last year.
by jessnbrown on Oct 13, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I picked CHI to win the West. They look solid as hell to me as well…and I think Huet will eventually get back on track.
by Kent Wilson on Oct 13, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iggy!
We’ve all been on Iggy this year for good reason, and yet after last night’s disaster he’s hardly mentioned in the comments. Interesting, because I think he’s at the center of this disaster. Not because of his awful play (last night, I couldn’t count the number of times he stopped skating instead of trying to beat a guy).
No, what I want to know is how he wins the Mark Messier Leadership Award when there are constant references to how this team never seems to learn lessons, knows what they’re doing wrong but never correct it, etc. Isn’t that leadership? This team hasn’t been ‘hard working’ for a couple of years, as noted above. They’re not tough to play. And yet, isn’t that supposed to be Iggy’s forte? Is he leading this effort as well?
Last night sucked not because of the 5-0 lead lost, or that it’s the Hawks, or even that it led to trolls invading the comments. It’s because this whole team and it’s foundation rests on a superstar (or at least, star!) Jerome Iginla, and I think that guy is gone. And if he’s gone, the next 3-4 years for this team are gone as well.
by maimster on Oct 13, 2009 4:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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